Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
Folks may be interested in this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18497083 A group of experts has urged funders of UK research to encourage scientists to publish their results in journals that offer free public access to findings. A report by Dame Janet Finch argues that there is a powerful moral case for publicly funded research to be freely available. Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
It's good to know you can still wander in. I used to go there to browse on rainy days when I had nothing to do (pre-internet, of course). -Dave - Original Message - From: Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: li...@lazygranch.com, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 4:03:33 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Terman Library (Stanford) used let any schmuck use the computers in the library. You could email the articles to yourself. Now it requires a password. BTW, the library in Terman hall is the Engineering Library not the Terman Library. A common misconception. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
The ACM and IEEE sites are subscription sites. They never give up the goodies. This silly confection only works on sites that nag you to pay for access. -Chuck Harris DaveH wrote: (cough) http://www.breakthepaywall.com/ (cough) IE7 on up... CAVEAT: I have not tried these on the ACM or IEEE sites but this works on a couple sites I visit. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
Well thats an interesting piece of software On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:41 AM, DaveH i...@blackmountainforge.com wrote: (cough) http://www.breakthepaywall.com/ (cough) IE7 on up... CAVEAT: I have not tried these on the ACM or IEEE sites but this works on a couple sites I visit. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 06:15 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I dropped my membership a couple of years ago. Every single thing cost money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use. On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Then what happened ? --- On Tue, 6/5/12, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:45 PM Good luck. About 20 years ago, I bought out the entire library of a local RD company for $10, including well over 50' of 7' high shelves of professional journals. (There were a number of books I wanted and I got more than my money's worth on those.} Anyway, I tried to sell the journals without a single nibble. Nobody wanted them. Luckily I bought the library on condition of not having to take what I didn't want, so didn't have to dealo with several tons of useless paper. There might be takers as a donation in India or something, IF you pay to ship them there. That's not for me. FWIW, -John I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:  I dropped my membership a couple of years ago.  Every single thing cost  money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were  applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly  difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges  especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use.  On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:  On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700   Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:  The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over  from when  they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the  price of  printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their  standards work where they could get away with high prices.  Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send  out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly  acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that  this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do  that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly  suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief  (illegaly  copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision  to cancel my subscription.  Attila Kinali  --  It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All  the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no  use without that foundation.  -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson  ___   time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com  To unsubscribe, go to  [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts   and follow the instructions there. References  1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net  2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com  3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant.. Old Journals
I highgraded the library for things like the full hardbound MIT Rad Lab Series and maybe 10 other cartons of technical books on physics, chemistry, and electronics. Then I sold off some of the remaining monographs to a local used book dealer (a local guy who appraises rare books on the Antiques Roadshow). I don't know about the journals and unwanted books, but I assume they went into the dumpster or maybe a paper recycler. Nobody wanted the stuff, although somebody did buy the bookshelves which were sold separately. I only bought the books, not the shelves. Sometimes, you are lucky to get rid of stuff w/o having to pay disposal fees. Best, -John = Then what happened ? --- On Tue, 6/5/12, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:45 PM Good luck. About 20 years ago, I bought out the entire library of a local RD company for $10, including well over 50' of 7' high shelves of professional journals. (There were a number of books I wanted and I got more than my money's worth on those.} Anyway, I tried to sell the journals without a single nibble. Nobody wanted them. Luckily I bought the library on condition of not having to take what I didn't want, so didn't have to dealo with several tons of useless paper. There might be takers as a donation in India or something, IF you pay to ship them there. That's not for me. FWIW, -John I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:  I dropped my membership a couple of years ago.  Every single thing cost  money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were  applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly  difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges  especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use.  On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:  On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700   Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:  The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over  from when  they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the  price of  printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their  standards work where they could get away with high prices.  Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send  out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly  acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that  this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do  that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly  suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief  (illegaly  copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision  to cancel my subscription.  Attila Kinali  --  It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All  the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no  use without that foundation.  -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson  ___   time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com  To unsubscribe, go to  [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts   and follow the instructions there. References  1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net  2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com  3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
In message 20120605072656.314c1800...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net, Hal Mu rray writes: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. As is ACM. I'm told through the grapewine that digital subscriptions is a major part of their budget, so nothing will be opened unless with a crowbar. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I'm in astrophysics and arXiv is there just for that. Why don't others do that? Jim On Tuesday, 5 June 2012, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net javascript:; wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com javascript:; To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I dropped my membership a couple of years ago. Every single thing cost money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use. On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I dropped my membership a couple of years ago. Every single thing cost money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use. On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant
Both ACM and IEEE are publishers at heart. IEEE likes to boast that they publish almost a third of the world's technical literature. It's instructive to look at their annual reports, where sources and uses of funds are documented. Follow the money, always. Joe Gwinn Ref: http://www.ieee.org/about/today/index.html From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: 06/05/2012 03:53 AM Subject:Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant Sent by:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com In message 20120605072656.314c1800...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net, Hal Mu rray writes: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. As is ACM. I'm told through the grapewine that digital subscriptions is a major part of their budget, so nothing will be opened unless with a crowbar. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. inline: graycol.gif___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 06/ 5/12 06:43 PM, J. Forster wrote: IMO, the IEEE is pretty much useless for practicing engineers. It is mostly by and for academics to build up their resumes YMMV, -John I disagree with that. I find the IEEE useful as a practicing engineer. I think a lot of companies do to. My own employer pays a subscription so we can get certain journals, and I know when I worked at Marconi, they paid for membership for any engineer who wanted to join. But I would agree, 99% of the content is by academics, and they basically write it to get promotion. Publish or perish. There's quite an unusual article in a recent IEEE Antennas and Propagation journal about making antennas from household items. Like horns from bits of cardboard and aluminum foil. I did not read the article in full, and at the minute a colleague has taken it home to read. But I'll look when she has finished with it. But I freely admit this is an unusual article for the IEEE. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I dropped my membership a couple of years ago. Every single thing cost money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use. On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Good luck. About 20 years ago, I bought out the entire library of a local RD company for $10, including well over 50' of 7' high shelves of professional journals. (There were a number of books I wanted and I got more than my money's worth on those.} Anyway, I tried to sell the journals without a single nibble. Nobody wanted them. Luckily I bought the library on condition of not having to take what I didn't want, so didn't have to dealo with several tons of useless paper. There might be takers as a donation in India or something, IF you pay to ship them there. That's not for me. FWIW, -John I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:  I dropped my membership a couple of years ago.  Every single thing cost  money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were  applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly  difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges  especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use.  On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:  On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700   Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:  The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over  from when  they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the  price of  printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their  standards work where they could get away with high prices.  Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send  out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly  acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that  this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do  that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly  suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief  (illegaly  copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision  to cancel my subscription.  Attila Kinali  --  It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All  the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no  use without that foundation.  -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson  ___   time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com  To unsubscribe, go to  [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts   and follow the instructions there. References  1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net  2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com  3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I have a bound set of IRE/IEEE Proceedings from about 1920 to 1985. If anyone wants them, they are free for the taking. Rick Karlquist N6RK J. Forster wrote: Good luck. About 20 years ago, I bought out the entire library of a local RD company for $10, including well over 50' of 7' high shelves of professional journals. (There were a number of books I wanted and I got more than my money's worth on those.} Anyway, I tried to sell the journals without a single nibble. Nobody wanted them. Luckily I bought the library on condition of not having to take what I didn't want, so didn't have to dealo with several tons of useless paper. There might be takers as a donation in India or something, IF you pay to ship them there. That's not for me. FWIW, -John I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:  I dropped my membership a couple of years ago.  Every single thing cost  money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were  applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly  difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges  especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use.  On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:  On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700   Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:  The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over  from when  they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the  price of  printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their  standards work where they could get away with high prices.  Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send  out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly  acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that  this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do  that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly  suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief  (illegaly  copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision  to cancel my subscription.  Attila Kinali  --  It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All  the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no  use without that foundation.  -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson  ___   time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com  To unsubscribe, go to  [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts   and follow the instructions there. References  1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net  2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com  3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I joined IEEE for a while a few years ago with the hopes of being able to access the libraries I wanted most. What a shock to find out that I had to pay additional monies to get access to those files. So I quit the IEEE and now I keep getting Emails from them asking me to join again at a reduced rate of course. Now I can't get rid of their constant bugging me to re-join again. It seems once you get on their Mailing List you can't get off. Argh!!! Jerry At 12:45 PM 6/5/2012, you wrote: Good luck. About 20 years ago, I bought out the entire library of a local RD company for $10, including well over 50' of 7' high shelves of professional journals. (There were a number of books I wanted and I got more than my money's worth on those.} Anyway, I tried to sell the journals without a single nibble. Nobody wanted them. Luckily I bought the library on condition of not having to take what I didn't want, so didn't have to dealo with several tons of useless paper. There might be takers as a donation in India or something, IF you pay to ship them there. That's not for me. FWIW, -John I may still have the option to get something like 600 to 800 lbs of IRE publications. I think in South Dakota. If anyone is game/interested I can check. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:15 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote:  I dropped my membership a couple of years ago.  Every single thing cost  money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were  applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly  difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges  especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use.  On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:  On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700   Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:  The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over  from when  they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the  price of  printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their  standards work where they could get away with high prices.  Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send  out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly  acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that  this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do  that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly  suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief  (illegaly  copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision  to cancel my subscription.  Attila Kinali  --  It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All  the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no  use without that foundation.  -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson  ___   time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com  To unsubscribe, go to  [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts   and follow the instructions there. References  1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net  2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com  3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. Jerry Mulchin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:20:55 -0700 Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: I have a bound set of IRE/IEEE Proceedings from about 1920 to 1985. If anyone wants them, they are free for the taking. I wouldnt mind getting them.. although i guess i would need another bookshelf or two. But the shipping costs to Switzerland would kill me ^^' Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Do it before libraries are outlawed! Getting information is getting more and more difficult. Perhaps we are seeing the sunset of the age of information. On 06/05/12, Tom Harriscelephi...@gmail.com wrote: A previous employer of mine would not come up with a subscription to IEEE mags, so I found an alternative: I joined the local university library as an external borrower. This gave me a login to all the electronic mags that the library subscribed to, unfortunately it only worked inside the library's firewall, but I was able to download articles onto a USB stick. Days of reading fun for $120! -- Tom Harris [1]celephi...@gmail.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:celephi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 06/ 5/12 09:23 PM, Jerry Mulchin wrote: I joined IEEE for a while a few years ago with the hopes of being able to access the libraries I wanted most. What a shock to find out that I had to pay additional monies to get access to those files. So I quit the IEEE and now I keep getting Emails from them asking me to join again at a reduced rate of course. Now I can't get rid of their constant bugging me to re-join again. It seems once you get on their Mailing List you can't get off. Argh!!! Jerry Yes, I still get the IEEE emails, though i have not personally been a IEEE member for about 10 years. I was only a member when my employer (Marconi) paid for it. The problem is that a lot of the IEEE journal articles one finds useful, are not in the journal one has subscribed to. Most antenna papers are in the IEEE Antennas and Propagation journals, but sometimes interesting papers crop up in the most unexpected places. So unless you have a university subscription, its not really practical to find all the papers you want that the IEEE has published. I am a member of the IET, which means I keep the C.Eng status, which is worth far more to me than any library access. The IET don't publish much of interest to me. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Terman Library (Stanford) used let any schmuck use the computers in the library. You could email the articles to yourself. Now it requires a password. They don't check for ID to enter the library, but the number of journals they get in dead tree edition is few. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Terman Library (Stanford) used let any schmuck use the computers in the library. You could email the articles to yourself. Now it requires a password. BTW, the library in Terman hall is the Engineering Library not the Terman Library. A common misconception. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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(cough) http://www.breakthepaywall.com/ (cough) IE7 on up... CAVEAT: I have not tried these on the ACM or IEEE sites but this works on a couple sites I visit. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 06:15 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant Its actully pretty pervasive these days. I hate those sights so now carefully see what googles pointing me to before jumping if possible. So a quick question and not to take the thread. Anyone know if the old IRE papers might exist someplace for free? I ran across a few of the actual magazines and for me it was actually a good read. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net wrote: I dropped my membership a couple of years ago. Every single thing cost money; I couldn't even skim through papers to see if they were applicable without paying full price and it became increasingly difficult to justify membership PLUS paying for browsing privileges especially when there is actually very little of direct practical use. On 06/05/12, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:26:56 -0700 Hal Murray [1]hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The IEEE is particularly behind the times. I assume it's left over from when they could get away with it because they only had to jack up the price of printed stuff by a small amount. Some of this may trace back to their standards work where they could get away with high prices. Actually they are getting worse. IEEEs Computer Society started to send out yearly reminders that it's not ok to share documents you legaly acuired with your coworkers and friends. Telling them a few times that this is in contradiction to local law, which explicitly allows me to do that didn't change anything... That and also the wording that strongly suggests that anyone who is subscribed to the CDL is a thief (illegaly copying files and sharing them with the world) led me to the decision to cancel my subscription. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. mailto:hmur...@megapathdsl.net 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
