Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US
More inept governmental garbage. I rarely buy surplus anymore, but when I do, it all gets broken down into parts/assemblies for spares and all markings are removed and it goes into scrap mode. Occasionally, I have to build up something from parts on hand, which can be fun... Come to think of it; I haven't received any emails from gov auction sites in a while, have some gone out of business? - Original Message - From: John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:47:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US But it makes you glad you're an engineer rather than a pointy haired bureaucrat! That incident reads like a Dilbert comic strip. Pete Lancashire wrote: When I was at Tek in the 80's I received some assembles from a company in China to check out for component issues. I was denied their return due to some parts being on the list .. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US In message c6848687.91d9%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P (337C) writ es: ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. --- Not that much simpler.. You still have the Basic List and Munitions list, and the terms on the list are vague enough that there's a lot of room for interpretation. Start fooling with software defined radios that do things like automatically identify the type of modulation, and you're right into dual-use territory. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US
A few other reasons that come into play for not shipping outside of USA, (1) With respect to items a seller may purchase from Federal auctions or a company such as Honeywell that is under federal contract, the general terms of the sale/auction is that the items will not be exported. Certainly, some items could/would fall into the dual-use category. I doubt a kitchen table would be dual-use unless you assemble bombs on it, yet the terms of some auctions are explicit, no exporting. (2) What stops the most small sellers from shipping out of the US is the financial risk. In reading some of the forums on eBay, sellers are getting scammed in numerous ways. You have PayPal that seems to side with the purchaser regardless of circumstances. If an item is returned to seller for any reason the seller will at least loose the shipping cost, possibly fees, and with extreme luck get the item back rather than a box of rocks. Should a buyer tell PayPal an item is counterfeit, PayPal will often tell the buyer to destroy the unit/item and refund buyer everything. A charge back is issued to the seller and the seller is out all cost, fees, shipping, and DOES NOT get the item back. If you notice, some of the sellers that do export require an irrevocable form of payment (non PayPal) and stipulate no warranty or returns when shipped out of the USA. (3) Excessive shipping cost. Shipping cost on a heavy item to Europe can be in the hundreds of dollars. PayPal now requires a signature on anything 250.00 US or more and I understand that overseas signature can only be had with air shipping. (4) Not only the financial risk and excessive shipping cost, the additional paperwork, extra PayPal fees to convert the foreign currency to dollars make it not worth the effort. A seller can sell/ship with relative safety state to state and have some assurance of legal protections, virtually no protections selling/shipping out of the US. A thought ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Well I guess it's a good job that other countries don't hide behind a whole lot of excuses and BS when someone in the US wants to buy things from them or you guys would feel pretty hard done by too. Sounds like it's mostly just a case of it's too hard I can't be bothered to me. Seems that anything and everything comes under the heading of sales of arms to a lot of sellers on ePay. Most can't even be bothered to fill in a customs form to send the item or even work out how to. Let's face it, it's so much easier to send the item to the lower 48 States. Makes me wonder how I can buy so called sensitive stuff from China that most probably came from the US but supposedly I can't by it direct from the US. Seems like dual standards here. Is someone in Government getting a back-hander from the China seller so that they can get the gear out of the US. Now considering how protective China is about itself, you would think that they would have a whole lot of red-tape about sending sensitive items out of their country but that does not seem to be the case. Stop hiding behind a whole lot of excuses and get over it. If the system over there is so busted fix it, your supposed to be a democracy, well vote to get it fixed and stop keeping on regurgitating the same crap system that seems to get more and more anally retentive. We are all on this planet together. We all need to live together. Let's try and all work together and not start some exclusive club that only some can join. Rant off. I love you guys really! 73, Steve 2009/7/17 phil fort...@bellsouth.net: A few other reasons that come into play for not shipping outside of USA, (1) With respect to items a seller may purchase from Federal auctions or a company such as Honeywell that is under federal contract, the general terms of the sale/auction is that the items will not be exported. Certainly, some items could/would fall into the dual-use category. I doubt a kitchen table would be dual-use unless you assemble bombs on it, yet the terms of some auctions are explicit, no exporting. (2) What stops the most small sellers from shipping out of the US is the financial risk. In reading some of the forums on eBay, sellers are getting scammed in numerous ways. You have PayPal that seems to side with the purchaser regardless of circumstances. If an item is returned to seller for any reason the seller will at least loose the shipping cost, possibly fees, and with extreme luck get the item back rather than a box of rocks. Should a buyer tell PayPal an item is counterfeit, PayPal will often tell the buyer to destroy the unit/item and refund buyer everything. A charge back is issued to the seller and the seller is out all cost, fees, shipping, and DOES NOT get the item back. If you notice, some of the sellers that do export require an irrevocable form of payment (non PayPal) and stipulate no warranty or returns when shipped out of the USA. (3) Excessive shipping cost. Shipping cost on a heavy item to Europe can be in the hundreds of dollars. PayPal now requires a signature on anything 250.00 US or more and I understand that overseas signature can only be had with air shipping. (4) Not only the financial risk and excessive shipping cost, the additional paperwork, extra PayPal fees to convert the foreign currency to dollars make it not worth the effort. A seller can sell/ship with relative safety state to state and have some assurance of legal protections, virtually no protections selling/shipping out of the US. A thought ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD JAKDTTNW A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Here in Canada I hear a lot of complaints about the US, I heard even more with the previous administration. When I was younger I would sometimes hop on the bandwagon. Now I am older and slightly less stupid I can see America for what it is, a very diverse country often at odds with itself. There are millions of Americans trying to make their country a kinder place and that do not have hostile views towards the rest of us. To all non-Americans, please refrain from lumping 306 million people together, let's keep this mailing list related to it's intended topic. -Patrick Steve Rooke wrote: Well I guess it's a good job that other countries don't hide behind a whole lot of excuses and BS when someone in the US wants to buy things from them or you guys would feel pretty hard done by too. Sounds like it's mostly just a case of it's too hard I can't be bothered to me. Seems that anything and everything comes under the heading of sales of arms to a lot of sellers on ePay. Most can't even be bothered to fill in a customs form to send the item or even work out how to. Let's face it, it's so much easier to send the item to the lower 48 States. Makes me wonder how I can buy so called sensitive stuff from China that most probably came from the US but supposedly I can't by it direct from the US. Seems like dual standards here. Is someone in Government getting a back-hander from the China seller so that they can get the gear out of the US. Now considering how protective China is about itself, you would think that they would have a whole lot of red-tape about sending sensitive items out of their country but that does not seem to be the case. Stop hiding behind a whole lot of excuses and get over it. If the system over there is so busted fix it, your supposed to be a democracy, well vote to get it fixed and stop keeping on regurgitating the same crap system that seems to get more and more anally retentive. We are all on this planet together. We all need to live together. Let's try and all work together and not start some exclusive club that only some can join. Rant off. I love you guys really! ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Regardless of the reason as to why eBay sellers won't ship outside USA no matter how much you beg or how much you pay them, the solution is obvious: have an intermediate in the belly of the beast do the proxy buying and reshipping. I would be very glad to act as that intermediate for virtually any kind of items, but I would like some commission. Replies off-list please. MS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi, I've been on the receiving end of this and it's getting worse. Even data is restricted under ITAR (international Traffic in Arms Regulations). It's frustrating to have to get a licence (that can take months) just to get a official copy of installation manual for a radio even when a copy of the maintenance manual can be freely downloaded from the US governments own website! (and the radio bought on ebay) Some of the bigger surplus dealers have been warned and face going to jail for further violations. It's very hard to tell what and what is not restricted. A helmet is probably not restricted, but if it has a bracket on the front that might be used to mount night vision equipment then it is! And big brother IS watching ebay, I have personal experience of this. Robert G8RPI. --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: From: Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 4:56 AM Having personally worked on the government side of these export regulations, I can assure you they were developed with good intentions. The problem is that Uncle Sam doesn't realize that vintage 1980s technology of the USA is not much of a threat to national security when placed in the hands of the folks in the UK (and most of the rest of the world). I find it amusing that I cannot export precision timing equipment to China, but have no problem buying the exact same regulated equipment from a vendor in China through eBay. I also find it to be pretty sad, but that's a whole other topic! -Bob On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: You have it all wrong. Having friends in the business, I can tell you what is going on. The reason the larger dealers have the restriction is, that some or most of their products come from companies that do business with the government. They are forced by contract to restrict sales to US addresses only and are presently facing ways to even make it more restrictive. Government agencies audit these sellers and violations as a minimum results in loss of business. To reduce that risk and not having to account for what came from where, many sellers opt for total no foreign sales. Intentional circumvention of that restriction can result in prosecution. Be cageful. Don't ask me what I think of the governments actions. Bert Kehren WB5MZJ In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:40:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk writes: Blimey Jim, you're a patient man! To be fair most individual sellers are happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, it's the bigger dealers who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets... Jim Palfreyman wrote: John, I had the same problem from Australia. And when they did ship the postage would be more than the unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally (after years) a good seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won. Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up. It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some don't offer because they think no one would pay $100 for postage - when in fact we would. Jim 2009/7/16 John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. **Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours
Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US
John May wrote: I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM You will find many of them will if you ask. One I recall saying Why don't you just bid on it? I don't know if the default it to only ship to the USA, but I have bought plenty of kit from people who say they will only ship to the USA. (I'm in the UK too). If you don't mind taking the risk, you are more likely to get them to do it if you agree to wire the money, rather than use Paypal. Sellers know Paypal is a bit of a risk with the chargbacks, and they are probably more concerned when the buyer is in another country. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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In message c6848687.91d9%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P (337C) writ es: ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US In message c6848687.91d9%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P (337C) writ es: ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. --- Not that much simpler.. You still have the Basic List and Munitions list, and the terms on the list are vague enough that there's a lot of room for interpretation. Start fooling with software defined radios that do things like automatically identify the type of modulation, and you're right into dual-use territory. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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When I was at Tek in the 80's I received some assembles from a company in China to check out for component issues. I was denied their return due to some parts being on the list .. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US In message c6848687.91d9%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P (337C) writ es: ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. --- Not that much simpler.. You still have the Basic List and Munitions list, and the terms on the list are vague enough that there's a lot of room for interpretation. Start fooling with software defined radios that do things like automatically identify the type of modulation, and you're right into dual-use territory. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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But it makes you glad you're an engineer rather than a pointy haired bureaucrat! That incident reads like a Dilbert comic strip. Pete Lancashire wrote: When I was at Tek in the 80's I received some assembles from a company in China to check out for component issues. I was denied their return due to some parts being on the list .. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US In message c6848687.91d9%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P (337C) writ es: ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. --- Not that much simpler.. You still have the Basic List and Munitions list, and the terms on the list are vague enough that there's a lot of room for interpretation. Start fooling with software defined radios that do things like automatically identify the type of modulation, and you're right into dual-use territory. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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The issue of returning equipment for repair is a significant concern. Unless you have the appropriate licenses both ways.. Company A in Germany, say, ships a widget to company B in the US, all nicely approved by whoever in Germany (maybe they didn't even need a license). Widget breaks and Company B wants to return it to Company A for warranty repair. Oops, you need an export license to send widgets. Worse yet, because of deemed export rules with respect to technical data, you probably can't even tell Company A what went wrong with your widget without a license. And it might take two separate licenses: one to transfer the widget back; and a different one to transfer the information. A similar situation arises where you are getting technical support from a foreign vendor. You have to be careful about how you ask the questions. And sending them a copy of your schematic or test data might be streng verboten. This whole thing is so twisted and convoluted, you can see why some sellers just run in fear. If they've had the fear of the law put into them at some point, they just figure: the safest way is to do nothing. On 7/16/09 8:47 PM, John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk wrote: But it makes you glad you're an engineer rather than a pointy haired bureaucrat! That incident reads like a Dilbert comic strip. Pete Lancashire wrote: When I was at Tek in the 80's I received some assembles from a company in China to check out for component issues. I was denied ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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John, I had the same problem from Australia. And when they did ship the postage would be more than the unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally (after years) a good seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won. Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up. It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some don't offer because they think no one would pay $100 for postage - when in fact we would. Jim 2009/7/16 John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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www.shipito.com They shipped many, many parcels from the US to France for me. From lightweight BNC adapter to old HP boat anchor (75+ lbs). Prices are really low. I also use it when the seller only use expensive UPS service to ship overseas. But don't mess with identity verification procedure. - Samuel DEMEULEMEESTER Presse Non Stop - Canard PC http://www.canardpc.com Tel : +33.6.13.73.4003 MSN : s...@x86.fr -Message d'origine- De : time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] De la part de John May Envoyé : mercredi 15 juillet 2009 23:34 À : Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Objet : [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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The problem here, more likely than not, is the restrictive provisions made by the US authorities over the end use of military surplus. It is not worth upsetting the men in black, believe me. A lot of surplus gear cannot legally be sold to a non US citizen, even with a US address. dr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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A quick trip to usps.com for a 40 pound package, 24 x 24 x 10 from the States to Great Britain / Northern Ireland comes out to $144.50 - $199.25 USD depending on the service. I certainly don't mind being the middle man. Send me an email offline if you want to do this. -Bob On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM, John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk wrote: I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Blimey Jim, you're a patient man! To be fair most individual sellers are happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, it's the bigger dealers who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets... Jim Palfreyman wrote: John, I had the same problem from Australia. And when they did ship the postage would be more than the unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally (after years) a good seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won. Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up. It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some don't offer because they think no one would pay $100 for postage - when in fact we would. Jim 2009/7/16 John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Take a look here: http://www.shipito.com/ I have never dealt w/ them, so I know nothing about their quality. They were mentioned on another list. FWIW, -John I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Samuel, Thanks for the pointer to this service. I've just created an account, since it seems to offer *exactly* what I need. Samuel D. [x86/CPC] wrote: www.shipito.com They shipped many, many parcels from the US to France for me. From lightweight BNC adapter to old HP boat anchor (75+ lbs). Prices are really low. I also use it when the seller only use expensive UPS service to ship overseas. But don't mess with identity verification procedure. - Samuel DEMEULEMEESTER Presse Non Stop - Canard PC http://www.canardpc.com Tel : +33.6.13.73.4003 MSN : s...@x86.fr -Message d'origine- De : time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] De la part de John May Envoyé : mercredi 15 juillet 2009 23:34 À : Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Objet : [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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You have it all wrong. Having friends in the business, I can tell you what is going on. The reason the larger dealers have the restriction is, that some or most of their products come from companies that do business with the government. They are forced by contract to restrict sales to US addresses only and are presently facing ways to even make it more restrictive. Government agencies audit these sellers and violations as a minimum results in loss of business. To reduce that risk and not having to account for what came from where, many sellers opt for total no foreign sales. Intentional circumvention of that restriction can result in prosecution. Be cageful. Don't ask me what I think of the governments actions. Bert Kehren WB5MZJ In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:40:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk writes: Blimey Jim, you're a patient man! To be fair most individual sellers are happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, it's the bigger dealers who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets... Jim Palfreyman wrote: John, I had the same problem from Australia. And when they did ship the postage would be more than the unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally (after years) a good seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won. Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up. It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some don't offer because they think no one would pay $100 for postage - when in fact we would. Jim 2009/7/16 John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. **Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi0007) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US
Having personally worked on the government side of these export regulations, I can assure you they were developed with good intentions. The problem is that Uncle Sam doesn't realize that vintage 1980s technology of the USA is not much of a threat to national security when placed in the hands of the folks in the UK (and most of the rest of the world). I find it amusing that I cannot export precision timing equipment to China, but have no problem buying the exact same regulated equipment from a vendor in China through eBay. I also find it to be pretty sad, but that's a whole other topic! -Bob On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: You have it all wrong. Having friends in the business, I can tell you what is going on. The reason the larger dealers have the restriction is, that some or most of their products come from companies that do business with the government. They are forced by contract to restrict sales to US addresses only and are presently facing ways to even make it more restrictive. Government agencies audit these sellers and violations as a minimum results in loss of business. To reduce that risk and not having to account for what came from where, many sellers opt for total no foreign sales. Intentional circumvention of that restriction can result in prosecution. Be cageful. Don't ask me what I think of the governments actions. Bert Kehren WB5MZJ In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:40:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk writes: Blimey Jim, you're a patient man! To be fair most individual sellers are happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, it's the bigger dealers who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets... Jim Palfreyman wrote: John, I had the same problem from Australia. And when they did ship the postage would be more than the unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally (after years) a good seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won. Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up. It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some don't offer because they think no one would pay $100 for postage - when in fact we would. Jim 2009/7/16 John May j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk I'm in the UK and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is offered for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas. I've been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice looking units because of this. There's one sitting there just now just to tease me! Is there anyone on the list who'd be willing to act as an intermediary (take delivery and resend) to circumvent this? I'd certainly be prepared to help in a similar manner any stateside time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could help reduce customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair etc.) Regards - JM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. **Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi0007) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
