Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:06:18 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. Does it really matter? If you are building iPhones what you need are only a half dozen really smart leaders, a few hundred good engineers and thousands of semi-skilled assembly line workers and another thousand who can work cash registers and swipe credit cards. Everyone does not need to have an advanced degree from Harvard.It has been like that for ages: One cave man figured out how to make fire then 100 others said fire good. I make fire too. Yes it does matter: http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/2012/02/18/ Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:10:26 +0100 Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:06:18 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. Does it really matter? If you are building iPhones what you need are only a half dozen really smart leaders, a few hundred good engineers and thousands of semi-skilled assembly line workers and another thousand who can work cash registers and swipe credit cards. Everyone does not need to have an advanced degree from Harvard. It has been like that for ages: One cave man figured out how to make fire then 100 others said fire good. I make fire too. Yes it does matter: http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/2012/02/18/ Attila Kinali I realize someone already mention Idiocracy.. [bump]Yes it does matter[bump] Steve ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hmmh, they have some good deals on Rolex watches there. ;-) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14160480823 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Put the URL into Google Translate. -John == I suspect a lot of the ebay sellers are buying stuff from Taobao and just reselling it. For example, this appears to be the original source of the FE-5680As which were supplied with the OCXO and socket (although he seems to have run out of OCXOs now) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12204039399 - the price is interesting, too - 90 RMB (about $15). Of course, they generally won't ship to addresses outside China. The bit of his website dealing with oscillators is interesting, too (in Chinese, but lots of photos) - I suspect some of the other stuff being sold on ebay is being sourced from him: http://www.dz98.com/an.htm Regards, Pete Bell On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Collins, Graham coll...@navcanada.ca wrote: It might even be simpler than that. Same pictures, same location, same business; different ebay stores for each sales rep - paid on commission or by the piece. Perhaps the next time I buy something from overseas I will ask. Sometimes there is a bit of struggle with language but for the most part I have found everyone one I have dealt with to be pleasant and enjoys exchanging pleasantries. Cheers, Graham ve3gtc -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: February 22, 2012 13:13 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. If the photos and descriptions and the city they ship from are the same I assume it's the same person. I think they run multiple eBay stores as a hedge again someone leaving negative feedback for a package getting lost in the mail. I doubt the same seller ships from multiple locations that are far apart. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Pete Thanks for the link. Now it explains where they come from and what condition they are in. Again I like to warn against ggg*fitting that sell Morion as NEW and did sell FE 5680A as NEW. I did mail my very used sold as NEW back to them so someone will get it if you continue to buy from them. They agreed to reimburse me for shipping but as you see below now threaten me if I do not give them a positive review. Look at shipping cost some of it is off the top! It is time to take a breather and we will se a drop in prices. There is a limited market and we are at least 50% We in the description, indicate the is used. We have to make the best possible treatment, a full refund to you, and pay for shipping costs $13.17 If you don't change the positive 5 star feedback, we don't pay $13.17 to you!! To trouble you, I'm so sorry! I will not change my feedback ggg are crooks and they know it. Be carefully, there are other choices. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/26/2012 1:42:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bell.pe...@gmail.com writes: I suspect a lot of the ebay sellers are buying stuff from Taobao and just reselling it. For example, this appears to be the original source of the FE-5680As which were supplied with the OCXO and socket (although he seems to have run out of OCXOs now) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12204039399 - the price is interesting, too - 90 RMB (about $15). Of course, they generally won't ship to addresses outside China. The bit of his website dealing with oscillators is interesting, too (in Chinese, but lots of photos) - I suspect some of the other stuff being sold on ebay is being sourced from him: http://www.dz98.com/an.htm Regards, Pete Bell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Bert and all, Very few occasions items like we talk about is really pristine, I expect it to be used and only try to judge about how much milage it has. Most of the dumpster diver level re-circulation folks has low knowledge, and some excel and actually has a clue, but if only the pictures is their own and show some reasonable level of degradation and then I judge if I think there is a fair price or not for what roughly is being provided. So far I have not been scammed very hard. Most of the stuff has been within the expected level, but all that comes from makeing a decision of what to expect and what price is fair for that expectation. Cheers, Magnus On 02/26/2012 05:33 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Pete Thanks for the link. Now it explains where they come from and what condition they are in. Again I like to warn against ggg*fitting that sell Morion as NEW and did sell FE 5680A as NEW. I did mail my very used sold as NEW back to them so someone will get it if you continue to buy from them. They agreed to reimburse me for shipping but as you see below now threaten me if I do not give them a positive review. Look at shipping cost some of it is off the top! It is time to take a breather and we will se a drop in prices. There is a limited market and we are at least 50% We in the description, indicate the is used. We have to make the best possible treatment, a full refund to you, and pay for shipping costs $13.17 If you don't change the positive 5 star feedback, we don't pay $13.17 to you!! To trouble you, I'm so sorry! I will not change my feedback ggg are crooks and they know it. Be carefully, there are other choices. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/26/2012 1:42:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bell.pe...@gmail.com writes: I suspect a lot of the ebay sellers are buying stuff from Taobao and just reselling it. For example, this appears to be the original source of the FE-5680As which were supplied with the OCXO and socket (although he seems to have run out of OCXOs now) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12204039399 - the price is interesting, too - 90 RMB (about $15). Of course, they generally won't ship to addresses outside China. The bit of his website dealing with oscillators is interesting, too (in Chinese, but lots of photos) - I suspect some of the other stuff being sold on ebay is being sourced from him: http://www.dz98.com/an.htm Regards, Pete Bell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Magnus My beef is that if you advertise NEW it should be NEW. I caught him once before and ebay made him change the listing. This time he had two listings one new and one used. I checked with him and paid extra for NEW and got the most banged up unit ever. All from the same stack. Finally got him to agree to pay for return shipping he wanted it back and I can show you correspondence where he states he can sell it for $ 60+ and when I gave a negative review he refused to pay unless I give him a 5 star+. Extortion look forward what ebay will say. All I can say is stay away from ggg*fitting, not like some of the other ones. Others cooperate according to some list members, Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/26/2012 5:22:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: Hi Bert and all, Very few occasions items like we talk about is really pristine, I expect it to be used and only try to judge about how much milage it has. Most of the dumpster diver level re-circulation folks has low knowledge, and some excel and actually has a clue, but if only the pictures is their own and show some reasonable level of degradation and then I judge if I think there is a fair price or not for what roughly is being provided. So far I have not been scammed very hard. Most of the stuff has been within the expected level, but all that comes from makeing a decision of what to expect and what price is fair for that expectation. Cheers, Magnus On 02/26/2012 05:33 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Pete Thanks for the link. Now it explains where they come from and what condition they are in. Again I like to warn against ggg*fitting that sell Morion as NEW and did sell FE 5680A as NEW. I did mail my very used sold as NEW back to them so someone will get it if you continue to buy from them. They agreed to reimburse me for shipping but as you see below now threaten me if I do not give them a positive review. Look at shipping cost some of it is off the top! It is time to take a breather and we will se a drop in prices. There is a limited market and we are at least 50% We in the description, indicate the is used. We have to make the best possible treatment, a full refund to you, and pay for shipping costs $13.17 If you don't change the positive 5 star feedback, we don't pay $13.17 to you!! To trouble you, I'm so sorry! I will not change my feedback ggg are crooks and they know it. Be carefully, there are other choices. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/26/2012 1:42:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bell.pe...@gmail.com writes: I suspect a lot of the ebay sellers are buying stuff from Taobao and just reselling it. For example, this appears to be the original source of the FE-5680As which were supplied with the OCXO and socket (although he seems to have run out of OCXOs now) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12204039399 - the price is interesting, too - 90 RMB (about $15). Of course, they generally won't ship to addresses outside China. The bit of his website dealing with oscillators is interesting, too (in Chinese, but lots of photos) - I suspect some of the other stuff being sold on ebay is being sourced from him: http://www.dz98.com/an.htm Regards, Pete Bell ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: We in the description, indicate the is used. We have to make the best possible treatment, a full refund to you, and pay for shipping costs $13.17 If you don't change the positive 5 star feedback, we don't pay $13.17 to you!! To trouble you, I'm so sorry! RIGHT AWAY. Please forward the above to eBay. They will warn the seller once, next time his account is closed. By eBay policy this is not even in the grey area about what sellers are not allowed to do. You really should as if people don't report this kind of stuff eBay will get even worse Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I suspect a lot of the ebay sellers are buying stuff from Taobao and just reselling it. For example, this appears to be the original source of the FE-5680As which were supplied with the OCXO and socket (although he seems to have run out of OCXOs now) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12204039399 - the price is interesting, too - 90 RMB (about $15). Of course, they generally won't ship to addresses outside China. The bit of his website dealing with oscillators is interesting, too (in Chinese, but lots of photos) - I suspect some of the other stuff being sold on ebay is being sourced from him: http://www.dz98.com/an.htm Regards, Pete Bell On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Collins, Graham coll...@navcanada.ca wrote: It might even be simpler than that. Same pictures, same location, same business; different ebay stores for each sales rep - paid on commission or by the piece. Perhaps the next time I buy something from overseas I will ask. Sometimes there is a bit of struggle with language but for the most part I have found everyone one I have dealt with to be pleasant and enjoys exchanging pleasantries. Cheers, Graham ve3gtc -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: February 22, 2012 13:13 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. If the photos and descriptions and the city they ship from are the same I assume it's the same person. I think they run multiple eBay stores as a hedge again someone leaving negative feedback for a package getting lost in the mail. I doubt the same seller ships from multiple locations that are far apart. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. I've had orders from various sellers come in combined for shipping over the years. I've had an interesting time with one order from Nichegeek. It took a few more tries than normal to get everything shipped ... Not totally out of the ordinary for the e place, but still interesting. They all came in ok and worked reasonably well. One unit took a while to lock the first time, but it's locked up ok since then. I have had much better luck with the FE's mounted on the PC boards in terms of damage than with loose parts. I've had one of the recent FE's show up with a bent corner and a couple of the earlier (three years back) version show up with the same sort of cosmetic damage. The PC board acts as a pretty good shipping protector. Bottom line is still - don't spend more than you can afford to loose. Push back early if something comes in that's not right. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of cfo Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:45 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:18:26 -0700, Dave hartzell wrote: I received a few used units, and one was bad. I contacted nichegeek via eBay with the issue and symptoms, and they are sending me a replacement. Assuming it comes half as fast as the original shipment, and it works, my transaction will still be a positive one. I just got 10 units from tool-nerd (im 95% sure (s)he's also nichegeek) , as tool-nerd told me that they hadn't got anymore Morion's , but pointed me (url) at a Efratom replaement in the nichegeek shop. All worked ok , and got lock within a few minutes. One had a bad dent near the RB lamp but it, was functioning fine. I asked for DHL shipping (some sellers never ansvered my DHL question) , and had the units 3 work-days after ordering. All in all a nice experience , (but i still see Morions in their shop , at a 10$ higher price) , i might have been had there. CFO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. If the photos and descriptions and the city they ship from are the same I assume it's the same person. I think they run multiple eBay stores as a hedge again someone leaving negative feedback for a package getting lost in the mail. I doubt the same seller ships from multiple locations that are far apart. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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At 12:12 PM 2/22/2012, Chris Albertson wrote: The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. My last package from nichegeek has a UPS label from Sain Store, Dong Guan Sunrain e-commerce center, building 7 Songke Yuan in Dongguan. -- newell N5TNL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi I have had orders combined by sellers who listed different cities as their locations... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:13 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. If the photos and descriptions and the city they ship from are the same I assume it's the same person. I think they run multiple eBay stores as a hedge again someone leaving negative feedback for a package getting lost in the mail. I doubt the same seller ships from multiple locations that are far apart. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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It might even be simpler than that. Same pictures, same location, same business; different ebay stores for each sales rep - paid on commission or by the piece. Perhaps the next time I buy something from overseas I will ask. Sometimes there is a bit of struggle with language but for the most part I have found everyone one I have dealt with to be pleasant and enjoys exchanging pleasantries. Cheers, Graham ve3gtc -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: February 22, 2012 13:13 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I've often wondered if there are actually more than two people selling all of the FE's being auctioned. There's not much of a way to tell. The only way I can figure is to look at the location they ship from. If the photos and descriptions and the city they ship from are the same I assume it's the same person. I think they run multiple eBay stores as a hedge again someone leaving negative feedback for a package getting lost in the mail. I doubt the same seller ships from multiple locations that are far apart. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:18:26 -0700, Dave hartzell wrote: I received a few used units, and one was bad. I contacted nichegeek via eBay with the issue and symptoms, and they are sending me a replacement. Assuming it comes half as fast as the original shipment, and it works, my transaction will still be a positive one. I just got 10 units from tool-nerd (im 95% sure (s)he's also nichegeek) , as tool-nerd told me that they hadn't got anymore Morion's , but pointed me (url) at a Efratom replaement in the nichegeek shop. All worked ok , and got lock within a few minutes. One had a bad dent near the RB lamp but it, was functioning fine. I asked for DHL shipping (some sellers never ansvered my DHL question) , and had the units 3 work-days after ordering. All in all a nice experience , (but i still see Morions in their shop , at a 10$ higher price) , i might have been had there. CFO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. Strange stuff. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:19 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] ebay warning Just shipped my NEW FE5680A back to ggg*fitting,as you can se below they are in a hurry to resell it. It was very used with very high aging rate. Their NEW Morion MV89 is also not new. Be careful Bert Kehren HI Friend! Pls You as soon as possible shipping! hank you very much! ECHO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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All I can say this guy is a crook he knows what he is doing, selling the same units as used and new. There are other choices. Beware Bert Kehren. In a message dated 2/21/2012 12:27:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, li...@rtty.us writes: Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. Strange stuff. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:19 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] ebay warning Just shipped my NEW FE5680A back to ggg*fitting, as you can se below they are in a hurry to resell it. It was very used with very high aging rate. Their NEW Morion MV89 is also not new. Be careful Bert Kehren HI Friend! Pls You as soon as possible shipping! hank you very much! ECHO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. That makes sense. If you have many FE5680s, yu test them and sell the good ones first as you repair the failed units. On another list people were asking if they should buy a reconditioned product from Apple. (Apple offers the same 1 year warranty.) The majority opinion is that the reconditioned units have a better record because they were bench checked here is the USA and have better quality assurance testing than the new units get in China. This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. We don't really know the level of testing but over all these seem to be reputable sellers who are responsive to problems. I do avoid sellers who claim their stuff is new when it can't be new. Either their understanding of the English word new is poor or they are misrepresenting the product. Either way there are others who don't misuse the word that I can buy from. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. This requires in depth understanding of the device and how it works. I doubt that many people have this knowledge. Much less some ebay seller. (i wouldn't sell electronics on ebay if i had that kind of knowledge, i'd sell my knowledge to some big company and make much more money) Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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These guys do not know what they sell. This was a marketing ploy, I did catch him once before and made him change his listing. All a sudden he had used and new. Checked with him, claimed he ha d gotten some new ones bought one, looked very used took the back off, strong discoloration a give away but frequency way down a sign off long operating time, because FE ships them as close as possible and claim 5 E-11. Those of you that paid the extra for a NEW got ripped off. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/21/2012 1:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. That makes sense. If you have many FE5680s, yu test them and sell the good ones first as you repair the failed units. On another list people were asking if they should buy a reconditioned product from Apple. (Apple offers the same 1 year warranty.) The majority opinion is that the reconditioned units have a better record because they were bench checked here is the USA and have better quality assurance testing than the new units get in China. This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too.A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. We don't really know the level of testing but over all these seem to be reputable sellers who are responsive to problems. I do avoid sellers who claim their stuff is new when it can't be new. Either their understanding of the English word new is poor or they are misrepresenting the product. Either way there are others who don't misuse the word that I can buy from. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Thanks for the warning. An unfortunate fact is Rubidium oscillator life is inversely proportionate to to operating temp. At 60F they will last a very long time, where above 100F they die pretty quickly. These sound like they were real old, run hot, or both. Thomas Knox From: ewkeh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:14:22 -0500 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning These guys do not know what they sell. This was a marketing ploy, I did catch him once before and made him change his listing. All a sudden he had used and new. Checked with him, claimed he ha d gotten some new ones bought one, looked very used took the back off, strong discoloration a give away but frequency way down a sign off long operating time, because FE ships them as close as possible and claim 5 E-11. Those of you that paid the extra for a NEW got ripped off. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/21/2012 1:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. That makes sense. If you have many FE5680s, yu test them and sell the good ones first as you repair the failed units. On another list people were asking if they should buy a reconditioned product from Apple. (Apple offers the same 1 year warranty.) The majority opinion is that the reconditioned units have a better record because they were bench checked here is the USA and have better quality assurance testing than the new units get in China. This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too.A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. We don't really know the level of testing but over all these seem to be reputable sellers who are responsive to problems. I do avoid sellers who claim their stuff is new when it can't be new. Either their understanding of the English word new is poor or they are misrepresenting the product. Either way there are others who don't misuse the word that I can buy from. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. This requires in depth understanding of the device and how it works. I doubt that many people have this knowledge. Much less some ebay seller. (i wouldn't sell electronics on ebay if i had that kind of knowledge, i'd sell my knowledge to some big company and make much more money) It is different in China. These sellers might have formal technical training or more likely access to people who do. How else are they able to re-work the failed units? In a country where the average pay is close to $2,400 per year a person with trade school level education will work hard fix a $40 unit so it can be sold. You can guess that a person in China who can read and write poor English has better education than most. In China there are still un-educated farmers who maybe did not complete elementary school and there are some with graduate degrees from US universities. They have the whole range. I'd bet these electronics sellers on ebay are in the mid ground, with maybe some tech-school type training and day job and do the eBay work from home. They are in the new, up and coming middle class. It's clear to me that every one of them is a one-man shop but also there is a network of suppliers in China who sell locally to the guys who then turn this over on eBay. Some day It will be fun to go and see first hand how this works and buy some stuff in person. My wife speaks passable Chinese as her second language so we can stray off the tourist track over there. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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In an electronics mall (one city clock square with 10 stories) in szschaduan (sorry my pinyin is awful) [a trading/wholesale center for clothing and electronics 4 hours south of Beijing by car] I saw several electronics stores 10m x 10m with 2-3 employees decent HP, Tek, RS, ??? equipment that did walk in cell-phone repair at the chip level. I was impressed with their apparent competence and knowledge. Jim On 2/21/12 1:50 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0800 Chris Albertsonalbertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. This requires in depth understanding of the device and how it works. I doubt that many people have this knowledge. Much less some ebay seller. (i wouldn't sell electronics on ebay if i had that kind of knowledge, i'd sell my knowledge to some big company and make much more money) Attila Kinali ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I received a few used units, and one was bad. I contacted nichegeek via eBay with the issue and symptoms, and they are sending me a replacement. Assuming it comes half as fast as the original shipment, and it works, my transaction will still be a positive one. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: All I can say this guy is a crook he knows what he is doing, selling the same units as used and new. There are other choices. Beware Bert Kehren. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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With any luck, these same guys had worked in the factory that made the cell phones in question. Joe From: Jim Cotton jim.cot...@wmich.edu To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: 02/21/2012 03:17 PM Subject:Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning Sent by:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com In an electronics mall (one city clock square with 10 stories) in szschaduan (sorry my pinyin is awful) [a trading/wholesale center for clothing and electronics 4 hours south of Beijing by car] I saw several electronics stores 10m x 10m with 2-3 employees decent HP, Tek, RS, ??? equipment that did walk in cell-phone repair at the chip level. I was impressed with their apparent competence and knowledge. Jim On 2/21/12 1:50 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0800 Chris Albertsonalbertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. This requires in depth understanding of the device and how it works. I doubt that many people have this knowledge. Much less some ebay seller. (i wouldn't sell electronics on ebay if i had that kind of knowledge, i'd sell my knowledge to some big company and make much more money) Attila Kinali ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. inline: graycol.gif___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall got us an invite to see night vision goggles in another, and the watchers are everywhere. Steve On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too. A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. This requires in depth understanding of the device and how it works. I doubt that many people have this knowledge. Much less some ebay seller. (i wouldn't sell electronics on ebay if i had that kind of knowledge, i'd sell my knowledge to some big company and make much more money) It is different in China. These sellers might have formal technical training or more likely access to people who do. How else are they able to re-work the failed units? In a country where the average pay is close to $2,400 per year a person with trade school level education will work hard fix a $40 unit so it can be sold. You can guess that a person in China who can read and write poor English has better education than most. In China there are still un-educated farmers who maybe did not complete elementary school and there are some with graduate degrees from US universities. They have the whole range. I'd bet these electronics sellers on ebay are in the mid ground, with maybe some tech-school type training and day job and do the eBay work from home. They are in the new, up and coming middle class. It's clear to me that every one of them is a one-man shop but also there is a network of suppliers in China who sell locally to the guys who then turn this over on eBay. Some day It will be fun to go and see first hand how this works and buy some stuff in person. My wife speaks passable Chinese as her second language so we can stray off the tourist track over there. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Steve steve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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There it's all out in the open. You can buy a real fake that supposedly will work for some time, or a fake fake that just looks good but is made from cheap (even by Chinese standards) stamped parts. The guy that bought a real fake in August says its still keeping time within a few seconds a day. Not 'nut grade but it looks and works good enough for him. About $100 if I recall. Not much chance to look for electronics and I was warned ahead of time not to bring along anything that vaguely resembled receiving or transmitting equipment other than a cell phone. To my surprise, virtually everyone on the street in Beijing was talking or texting on cell phones. The Chinese middle class appears to be as techno-literate and as educated as pretty much anywhere else. Now if I can get past the fact the hotel had gas masks in every room just in case the Russians or the US attacked, and get over the mandatory PE at 10AM and 2PM for the same reason... Steve On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Steve steve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi I think it's safe to say that *none* of the FE's now on the market are truly new. Anybody who is claiming them as such is not telling the truth. Some may be less used than others, I doubt any of these guys know which they are.. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:14 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning These guys do not know what they sell. This was a marketing ploy, I did catch him once before and made him change his listing. All a sudden he had used and new. Checked with him, claimed he ha d gotten some new ones bought one, looked very used took the back off, strong discoloration a give away but frequency way down a sign off long operating time, because FE ships them as close as possible and claim 5 E-11. Those of you that paid the extra for a NEW got ripped off. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/21/2012 1:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I just got a couple of FE's in from the same guy. They all lock up ok, no idea about how they age. One interesting thing though: All the other FE's I have seen came attached to PC boards. The ones I just got were taken off the board before shipping. All other FE's I've seen came in pretty close to 10 MHz on the high end of the VCXO sweep. The latest batch came in *much* higher (like 50 to 70 Hz high). I'm wondering if they were taken off the PC board to adjust the VCXO so they would lock. That makes sense. If you have many FE5680s, yu test them and sell the good ones first as you repair the failed units. On another list people were asking if they should buy a reconditioned product from Apple. (Apple offers the same 1 year warranty.) The majority opinion is that the reconditioned units have a better record because they were bench checked here is the USA and have better quality assurance testing than the new units get in China. This may be true of the re-worked FE5680s too.A reworked unit might have been tested for 30 minutes or so while the others only got powered up briefly. We don't really know the level of testing but over all these seem to be reputable sellers who are responsive to problems. I do avoid sellers who claim their stuff is new when it can't be new. Either their understanding of the English word new is poor or they are misrepresenting the product. Either way there are others who don't misuse the word that I can buy from. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. I guess that means we are not much better at geography. Thomas Knox From: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:39:31 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Steve steve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. Does it really matter? If you are building iPhones what you need are only a half dozen really smart leaders, a few hundred good engineers and thousands of semi-skilled assembly line workers and another thousand who can work cash registers and swipe credit cards. Everyone does not need to have an advanced degree from Harvard.It has been like that for ages: One cave man figured out how to make fire then 100 others said fire good. I make fire too. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I suspect we do better educating special needs children than most of those 25 countries. On 02/21/2012 02:33 PM, Tom Knox wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. I guess that means we are not much better at geography. Thomas Knox From: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:39:31 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Stevesteve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Chris; Funny you should mention that, many of my circuits make fire too. Best Wishes; Thomas Knox From: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:06:18 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. Does it really matter? If you are building iPhones what you need are only a half dozen really smart leaders, a few hundred good engineers and thousands of semi-skilled assembly line workers and another thousand who can work cash registers and swipe credit cards. Everyone does not need to have an advanced degree from Harvard.It has been like that for ages: One cave man figured out how to make fire then 100 others said fire good. I make fire too. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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...while the gifted kids are ignored. On 2/21/2012 6:07 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I suspect we do better educating special needs children than most of those 25 countries. On 02/21/2012 02:33 PM, Tom Knox wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. I guess that means we are not much better at geography. Thomas Knox From: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:39:31 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Stevesteve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Progressive government has distorted equal opportunity to mean equal outcome. This is the creed of the 99ers and a recipie for societal suicide. The correlary is: From each, according to his ability, To each, according to his need. -Karl Marx YMMV, -John === ...while the gifted kids are ignored. On 2/21/2012 6:07 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I suspect we do better educating special needs children than most of those 25 countries. On 02/21/2012 02:33 PM, Tom Knox wrote: Sadly I heard recently that the US is 27th in Math and 25th in Science. I challenge the old DXers too name 25 countries smarter then we are. I cannot. I guess that means we are not much better at geography. Thomas Knox From: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:39:31 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ebay warning On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Stevesteve-kr...@cox.net wrote: Be cautious when straying off the tourist track over there. The Silk Market in Beijing for example. Showing interest in knock-off Rolex's in one stall I bought a knock-off Rolex. But not exactly there. The seller was careful and kept them in the back. They had several different grades. He started at the top with one that looked OK but I wanted an obvious fake. At first China only offered low skill, low wage assembly line type labor. But now they graduate more engineers than the US does each year. We (in the US) are on the wrong end of an education gap. This happened with Japan years ago. Look at ham radio in China. Here is it for the most part old men who remember the days of vacuum tubes and CW. In China it is a hobby for the young middle class, mostly trained engineers. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
