RE: Freudian mythology

2004-05-08 Thread Allen Esterson
Rick Froman has asked me offline some pertinent questions on the teaching
of Freud in courses containing sections on psychoanalysis, and I hope Rick
doesn't mind my answering them online:

I wonder if there is a particular article or post to a list that you have
written that you think would act as a good counterpoint to the coverage
given to Freud in most intro psych textbooks.

The only place I’ve written a generalised critique of Freud’s writings is
in my book *Seductive Mirage*. But I can recommend some articles on the
website of Richard Webster, author of *Why Freud Was Wrong*. I don’t go
along with all Webster’s views (in particular his attempt to identify
Freud’s theories as a natural outcome of the “Judaeo-Christian
tradition”). But I can certainly recommend the following web articles
(some of which are chapters from *Why Freud Was Wrong*):

http://www.richardwebster.net/rediscoveringtheunconscious.html
http://www.richardwebster.net/freudandhysteria.html
http://www.richardwebster.net/rediscoveringtheunconscious.html
http://www.richardwebster.net/freudsfalsememories.html
http://www.richardwebster.net/thebewilderedvisionary.html
http://www.richardwebster.net/lettingoutthecartesiancat.html

Or, alternatively, something that addresses what, if any, lasting impact
Freud has had on the field of psychology…

As the late president of the People’s Republic of China, Chou en Lai (or
however it is spelt nowadays), said when asked whether the French
revolution was a success, it’s too soon too tell. But I think it is clear
that since the mid-twentieth century it has diminished considerably, is
continuing to diminish, and will diminish further in the future. North
Americans should keep in mind that Freudian ideas never had the massive
influence on psychology (or general culture) in the UK that it had in the
United States. (In particular, psychoanalytic ideas were always just one
thread in British psychiatry, rather than the dominating thread that it
was for a period in the States.) There are still places where Freud’s
influence remains strong, most notably in France, where in the last few
decades the intellectual classes have largely replaced an infatuation with
Marx by one with Freud. Very little of the critical literature on Freud
has been published in France, and the first major book critical of Freud
that has been published there (largely devoted to reporting the writings
of English language Freud scholars), *Mensonges Freudiens: Histoire d'une
d¨sinformation s¨culaire*, has been greeted with outrage by some
“representatives” of the French intellectual classes (notably the Lacanian
Edith Roudinesco, who has publicly launched a personal attack on the
author of the book, Jacques Benesteau).

…or an explanation of why Freud is given so much ink, even in modern
psychology texts even though psychology has parted ways with him for some
time now.

I think in part this is a legacy of the massive influence Freud had on
American psychology for several decades in the second half of the
twentieth century. Having covered his ideas so fully (and generally
effusively) for so long, it would have been odd if there had been a
*sudden* change in the last couple of decades of the century. Authors of
new textbooks typically consult earlier textbooks for their information,
so misinformation, or indequate material, gets recycled. Nowadays, for
instance, the skeleton of Freud’s theories of psycho-sexual development
are presented, generally in a perfunctory fashion. Often authors do point
out that there is no serious evidence to support much of this stuff,
though many cite supposed corroborations of this or that Freudian notion
by psychoanalytically-based studies, such as those cited in Fisher and
Greenfield’s books – which, incidentally, are generally given far too much
credence by authors of College psychology texts. (See Edward Erwin’s *A
Final Accounting* [MIT Press, 1996] for an extensive critique of such
studies.)

Do you feel there is any justification for even historical coverage of
his impact in intro psych? How should we treat Freud in Intro (when there
is not a lot of time to go into great detail on that topic)?

There’s a real problem here, in that many College psychology texts have
yet to catch on to the fact that much of the received history of the early
days of psychoanalysis is partially, and sometimes almost entirely, false.
This is hardly surprising, when pro-Freudians like the neuroscientist Mark
Solms have easy access to journals like Scientific American to recycle
“facts” that have been discredited decades ago by historians of psychology
and psychoanalysis who researched the original historical documents. And
many psychology teachers (and textbook authors) still think that Freud’s
accounts of his early psychoanalytic experiences in his later writings
provide an accurate account of them – which is not surprising, as they
frequently make compelling reading. (Whatever his shortcomings as a
clinician and a 

APA style help please

2004-05-08 Thread Annette Taylor



My students are using websites in their final 
papers because I made the citation and reference list notation of websites an 
absolute part of the assignment just to get them to learn to use them because I 
foresee this as a common occurrence in the future and they will need to know how 
to do this.

Now I've created a monster because I have to agree 
with my students that the guidance for using websites is lacking! We've gone 
through the APA manual with a fine-toothed comb and think we have figured out 
the reference part but the part on how to do a citation within the body of the 
text eludes us completely!

How would one cite and reference a website that has 
no author, just a title to the website and a URL? 

Thanks

Annette
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Re: APA style help please

2004-05-08 Thread David Campbell




Where the APA style requirements are unclear, I tell my students to
just use common sense with their citations--keeping in mind that the
point is to help the reader locate the original source. If no author
for a website can be found, they might use the first part of the
title. But whatever is in the text citation should match the
alphabetical listing in the reference section.

I don't want my students to devote too much time stressing over the
format for unusual citations. I would much rather have them put that
time and energy into the content of the paper.

--Dave


Annette Taylor wrote:

  
  
  
  My students are using websites in
their final papers because I made the citation and reference list
notation of websites an absolute part of the assignment just to get
them to learn to use them because I foresee this as a common occurrence
in the future and they will need to know how to do this.
  
  Now I've created a monster because I
have to agree with my students that the guidance for using websites is
lacking! We've gone through the APA manual with a fine-toothed comb and
think we have figured out the reference part but the part on how to do
a citation within the body of the text eludes us completely!
  
  How would one cite and reference a
website that has no author, just a title to the website and a URL? 
  
  Thanks
  
  Annette
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Re: APA style help please

2004-05-08 Thread Linda Woolf




Hi Annette,

Because of the ever changing nature of the Internet, APA has put up a
Web site dealing with formatting of e-references. Go to
http://www.apastyle.org/elecgeneral.html.
For no author or date, the
web site suggests referenceing as follows:

77. Stand-alone document, no author identified, no date

GVU's 8th WWW user survey.
(n.d.). Retrieved August 8, 2000 from http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/usersurveys/survey1997-10/

If the author of the document is not identified, begin the reference
with the title of the document.



Thus, I believe in text it would be (GVU's 8th WWW user surver, n.d.).

Best,

Linda





Annette Taylor wrote:

  
  
  
  My students are using websites in
their final papers because I made the citation and reference list
notation of websites an absolute part of the assignment just to get
them to learn to use them because I foresee this as a common occurrence
in the future and they will need to know how to do this.
  
  Now I've created a monster because I
have to agree with my students that the guidance for using websites is
lacking! We've gone through the APA manual with a fine-toothed comb and
think we have figured out the reference part but the part on how to do
a citation within the body of the text eludes us completely!
  
  How would one cite and reference a
website that has no author, just a title to the website and a URL? 
  
  Thanks
  
  Annette
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RE: Freudian mythology

2004-05-08 Thread Allen Esterson
Correction: I should have written Fisher and Greenberg, (not
Greenfield) in the following passage from my previous message in this
thread.

 Nowadays, for
 instance, the skeleton of Freud’s theories of psycho-sexual development
 are presented, generally in a perfunctory fashion. Often authors do point
 out that there is no serious evidence to support much of this stuff,
 though many cite supposed corroborations of this or that Freudian notion
 by psychoanalytically-based studies, such as those cited in Fisher and
 Greenfield’s books – which, incidentally, are generally given far too much
 credence by authors of College psychology texts. (See Edward Erwin’s *A
 Final Accounting* [MIT Press, 1996] for an extensive critique of such
 studies.)
 
Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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