Re:[tips] Are Genes Left-Wing?

2010-10-18 Thread Allen Esterson
John Kulig wrote:
That is, right-wingers sometimes combine two
incompatible ideas: (1) don't help the poor because
everyone should be able to pull themselves up by
their bootstraps , and (2) the poor, unemployed, etc.
are stuck there because of genetic inferiority (putting
it too crudely perhaps).

There are, of course, massive differences in the political landscape in 
the States and the UK (and indeed the rest of Western Europe). No 
right-wingers outside a lunatic fringe over here would argue in 
anything like those terms (even allowing for, as John writes, it having 
been put too crudely). The Welfare State (which is what we call it!) 
has long been a given in West European countries – the debate is 
about what and where and how much, etc. (From a Western European point 
of view, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when one reads all 
that stuff about how Obama is a socialist, and is scheming to set up a 
dreaded socialist state. I think it can be truly said that that kind of 
thinking, which seems to be getting close to the Republican mainstream, 
is literally delusional. Most of us over here who follow those aspects 
of the United States political scene can only watch and marvel. :-) )

The Bell Curve makes a case for people rising
and falling through the socio-economic ladder
based on genetics.

As I previously indicated (or at least implied), I haven't got beyond a 
perusal of *The Bell Curve* in a bookstore (though I've read plenty of 
pro and contra articles), but I have read other stuff by Richard 
Herrnstein and Charles Murray, and I think this is an 
oversimplification of their views. What they argue is that genetics is 
a big *factor* in social mobility, and in some cases overwhelmingly so, 
but they don't argue that other factors don't play some role, and of 
course more in the case of some people than others, according to their 
social/environmental circumstances.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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http://www.esterson.org

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From:   John Kulig ku...@mail.plymouth.edu
Subject:Re: Are Genes Left-Wing?
Date:   Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:28:38 -0400 (EDT)

Getting caught up on email, so only briefly scanned these posts, but 
two things
come to mind about the gene/environment/left/right wing issue. While in 
my
personal experience left wingers seem to favor environmental 
explanations for
individual differences, I have to point out that Marx (Karl,not 
Groucho) was a
fan of Darwinism (I am lumping evolution with genes, big jump I know, 
but both
imply biological determinism), and wanted to dedicate portions of Das 
Kapital to
Darwin, who declined partly because of his unfamiliarity with the 
topic, and
also I believe Marx' opposition to religion. My readings of the 
original
communists/socialists was that they saw parallels between biological 
and
cultural evolution (Though what happened in history didn't quite fit 
the theory.
England and Germany, being more advanced in the Industrial Revolution, 
were
supposed to be where workers united. In Russia, it was reversed, 
communism was
used as a means to industrial growth).

Second, when one follows the logic of Herrnstein  Murray's Bell Curve, 
you can
see how genetics and left-wing can be easily combined. That is, 
right-wingers
sometimes combine two incompatible ideas: (1) don't help the poor 
because
everyone should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and 
(2) the
poor, unemployed, etc. are stuck there because of genetic inferiority 
(putting
it too crudely perhaps). The Bell Curve makes a case for people rising 
and
falling through the socio-economic ladder based on genetics. IF people 
gravitate
toward the bottom of society because of genetics, one can more easily 
make the
case for charity and welfare imo, echoing the famous phrase from each 
according
to their ability and to each according to their need. Though, some
conservatives opt for family, friends, churches being the source of 
charity
rather than big government. Interestingly, the authors are an odd 
couple, with
Herrnstein being the liberal and Murray from the conservative Heritage
Institute.

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John W. Kulig
Professor of Psychology
Plymouth State University
Plymouth NH 03264



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[tips] Are genes Left-Wing?

2010-10-18 Thread michael sylvester
Let me say this about that.Intelligence properly defined is the ability to 
adapt to existing environments. Hence drug addicts and other criminals are 
just as intelligent as the PhD and the brain surgeon.It is the ability to deal 
with the challenges of a situation and to influence the outcome are all that 
matters.The basketball player
is just as intelligent as the summa cum laude.
Reading,writing and other related skills are required for  specific 
environments.If some individuals or a group of individuals are having
managing issues in those academic environments
they should not be perceived as genetically
deficient but academically unprepared for those tasks which should not be 
concluded as having deficiencies in other tasks.
As I said before,white folks tend to delight in cognitive speculations and this 
is part of
the Eurocentric legacy brought about by years of domestication which has 
boostered learning activities(which I consider to be unnatural).
Eurocentric cognitive imperialism has been the root cause of divisions and 
inequality among the human community.
   One thing that bothers me is that-if IQ remains stable  despite 
environmental variability,it stands to reason that IQ  has functionally 
adaptive issues and fails to roll with the punches.
Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida






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RE: [tips] Are microbes Left-Wing?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Carter

Totally not what this listserv is about, but I have to share it:

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/i-love-you-food-2/

You may now return to your regularly-scheduled work.  :)

m


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From: Wuensch, Karl L [mailto:wuens...@ecu.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:45 AM
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Hmmm, viruses have proven to be quite adaptable.  In fact, I think 
they are the most intelligent life forms on this planet.  They keep us alive 
just because we are their food.

Cheers,

Karl W.

From: michael sylvester [mailto:msylves...@copper.net]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:09 AM
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 Let me say this about that.Intelligence properly defined is the ability to 
adapt to existing environments.


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Re: [tips] Are microbes Left-Wing?

2010-10-18 Thread michael sylvester
I agree.I may also add that the cockroach is the quintessential adaptive 
species-they live in unimaginable conditions and have been around for millions 
of years.We do not need a brain to adapt to the planet except on Tips.

Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
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  Hmmm, viruses have proven to be quite adaptable.  In fact, I 
think they are the most intelligent life forms on this planet.  They keep us 
alive just because we are their food.

   

  Cheers,

   

  Karl W.


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  Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:09 AM
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   Let me say this about that.Intelligence properly defined is the ability to 
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[tips] % of students who work

2010-10-18 Thread roig-reardon


Does anyone have stats handy on the percentage of college students who work 
part-time or full-time? 



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Re: [tips] % of students who work

2010-10-18 Thread Christopher D. Green
Perhaps I'm naive, but I thought they all worked. OH! You meant for pay. 
like a job :-)

Chris Green
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roig-rear...@comcast.net wrote:

  


 Does anyone have stats handy on the percentage of college students who 
 work part-time or full-time?

  

 Miguel



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RE: [tips] % of students who work

2010-10-18 Thread Bourgeois, Dr. Martin
Chris, if you think they all work, you ARE naive! =)

From: Christopher D. Green [chri...@yorku.ca]
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Perhaps I'm naive, but I thought they all worked. OH! You meant for pay. like a 
job :-)

Chris Green
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Does anyone have stats handy on the percentage of college students who work 
part-time or full-time?



Miguel



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[tips] Spinal cord repair trial

2010-10-18 Thread sblack
Of possible interest to those teaching biopsychology (or as we 
used to call it, physiological psychology):

A small California biotech company, Geron, has started a trial 
atttemping for the first time to use embryonic stem cells to repair 
spinal cord damage in humans. The first patient was an 
individual with recent spinal cord damage, rendering him 
partially paralyzed.

This initial study is not intended to study whether function can be 
restored,  only to determine whether the procedure is safe. The 
research is controversial because of its use of cells derived from 
human embryos, and it consequently received no US 
government support. But it has enormous potential, not only for 
treating paralysis, but for other serious brain disorders, such as 
multiple sclerosis.

The BBC has a report on the research at 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11517680
Unfortunately, they are wrong in describing the stem cells as 
cells coaxed to become nerve cells. In fact, it is hoped they will 
become oligodendrocytes, which produce myelin and promote 
nerve growth.  Geron's own news release, less readable, makes 
this clear (at http://tinyurl.com/27cbvk6 ).

Disclosure: Some years ago I bought a small number of Geron 
shares because of my interest in such biomedical marvels. To 
date, I've only managed to lose 80% of my investment  :-( 
(about the same as I lost on a now defunct Canadian company 
which used goats to produce spider silk--see  the out-of-date 
article in Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioSteel ).

Stephen

Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.  
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus   
Bishop's University   
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
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[tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?

2010-10-18 Thread sblack
The chief engineer at the mine in Chile where 33 miners were 
just rescued, describing how hopeless the situation seemed at 
first:

[He] remembers the early, gloomy days of the search, when 
initial drilling failed to find any trace of the men. Four psychics 
the government had hired to help find them said, Forget it, 
they're all dead.

http://tinyurl.com/2a3te78

Stephen

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