[tips] Who Owns You?
Mike asked, who owns you? That's an easy one. The answer is my wife. Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/ Husband, father, grandfather, bluegrass fiddler biopsychologist... in approximate order of importance --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13605 or send a blank email to leave-13605-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Who Owns You?
Ed, when anyone asks me what is the secret to 45 years of marriage to the same woman, I always answer with two words, Yes, ma'am. Make it a good day -Louis- Louis Schmier http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.orghttp://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org/ Department of History http://www.therandomthoughts.comhttp://www.therandomthoughts.com/ Valdosta State University Valdosta, Georgia 31698 /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ (O) 229-333-5947/^\\/ \/ \ /\/\__ / \ / \ (C) 229-630-0821 / \/ \_ \/ / \/ /\/ / \ /\ \ //\/\/ /\\__/__/_/\_\/ \_/__\ \ /\If you want to climb mountains,\ /\ _ / \don't practice on mole hills - / \_ On Oct 23, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Pollak, Edward (Retired) wrote: Mike asked, who owns you? That's an easy one. The answer is my wife. Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/ Husband, father, grandfather, bluegrass fiddler biopsychologist... in approximate order of importance --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: lschm...@valdosta.edumailto:lschm...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13368.9b8fe41d7a9a359029570f1d2ef42440n=Tl=tipso=13605 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-13605-13368.9b8fe41d7a9a359029570f1d2ef42...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-13605-13368.9b8fe41d7a9a359029570f1d2ef42...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13606 or send a blank email to leave-13606-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?
There is an opinion piece in the NY Times by Michael Ellsberg that makes the case that college dropouts will save the U.S. because they are the true job creators. The article can be read here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/opinion/sunday/will-dropouts-save-america.html?pagewanted=allsrc=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB Ellsberg probably based the article on his currently popular book “The Education of Millionaires: It’s Not What You Think and It’s Not Too Late.” You can see the reviews and the reader comments up on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Education-Millionaires-What-Think-Portfolio/dp/1591844207 But all is not lost for academics. Vartain Gregorian, the president of the Carnegie corporation, wrote a review of the book in Time and makes the traditional argument for a liberal arts education in contrast to, say, vocational training or Ellsberg entrepreneurial education model. The book review can be read here: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/ But before Tipsters start feeling good about being teachers of psychology, the Time website also has the Top 10 best paid college majors and the worst college majors. The two lists can be found here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2073703,00.html The worst paying major is described here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2073703_2073654_2073673,00.html NOTE: This has been noted on TiPS previously. One gets the feeling that one is watching the end of an era. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13607 or send a blank email to leave-13607-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?
Hi Although I have not read the book or the article (too far along the road of cynicism about USA politics and public dialogue already), I guess I never thought that we were trying to educate millionaires or billionaires. Surely every other statistic, economic and otherwise, would pretty much favour those who were more educated. I saw a brief allusion somewhere recently to the apparent fact that vocational education becomes even more of a fiscal liability as one gets older ... not that the future must be like the past, of course. On the other hand, it probably is the case that many millionaires require some uneducated and cheap labour in order to achieve their economic wealth or to spend it with the biggest bang for the buck, and if they can't get it cheap enough in their home country, they'll just find it somewhere else. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to draw together all the variables that are correlated with education or with parental education? Off the top of my head, here are a few ... educational achievement of one's children (passing all the benefits on to the next generation), attitudes toward various oft-stigmatized groups, being unemployed, income, some forms of mental illness, Unfortunately, people often look at the relationship between parental and child education in a negative light (i.e., advantaged being advantaged), without realizing that the parent (or their parent) may be the first of their lineage to advance to higher education. That is, education may be the gift that keeps on giving, even to future generations. I appreciate that correlation does not imply causation, but that applies as well, of course, to claims about millionaire dropouts (e.g., perhaps they dropped out because they saw a road to millionaire-hood) and surely one should not be excessively dismissive of relationships that appear to be robust and widespread, whatever the ultimate causal model. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu 23-Oct-11 4:14:46 PM There is an opinion piece in the NY Times by Michael Ellsberg that makes the case that college dropouts will save the U.S. because they are the true job creators. The article can be read here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/opinion/sunday/will-dropouts-save-america.html?pagewanted=allsrc=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB Ellsberg probably based the article on his currently popular book *The Education of Millionaires: It*s Not What You Think and It*s Not Too Late.* You can see the reviews and the reader comments up on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Education-Millionaires-What-Think-Portfolio/dp/1591844207 But all is not lost for academics. Vartain Gregorian, the president of the Carnegie corporation, wrote a review of the book in Time and makes the traditional argument for a liberal arts education in contrast to, say, vocational training or Ellsberg entrepreneurial education model. The book review can be read here: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/ But before Tipsters start feeling good about being teachers of psychology, the Time website also has the Top 10 best paid college majors and the worst college majors. The two lists can be found here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2073703,00.html The worst paying major is described here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2073703_2073654_2073673,00.html NOTE: This has been noted on TiPS previously. One gets the feeling that one is watching the end of an era. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=13607 or send a blank email to leave-13607-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13608 or send a blank email to leave-13608-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?
Briefly (because I'm watching Isaacson tell us what a crazy mofo and son of a bitch Steve Jobs was), I think that the subtext is not that colleges can or should produce millionaires/billionaires but rather millionaires/billionaires don't need college. The characteristics that make for very wealthy individuals may or may not make for good students -- the reality distortion field might get in the way. And having a single-mindedness determination may work well for some things (like trying to find a cure for cancer) but not for other beliefs. On the latter point, I think back to Kurt Vonnegut's book Cat's Cradle with the industrialist who is going to San Lorenzo to create a bicycle factory because the people there were so poor that they would put up with any sort of crap he dished out. As Vonnegut put it, the industrialist really believed that God put people on the earth to build bicycles for him. Such ideas might get in the way of a college education. One wonders how many people have relocated their businesses or opened businesses in China because (a) the people are desperate there and will put up with a lot, and (b) they believe that those people really are there to help them realize their dreams and ambitions (that is, the owners' dreams and ambitions). Perhaps even Steve Jobs was one of these. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu P.S. A hippie who is into marketing? How wrong is that? - Original Message On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:31:36 -0700, Jim Clark wrote: Hi Although I have not read the book or the article (too far along the road of cynicism about USA politics and public dialogue already), I guess I never thought that we were trying to educate millionaires or billionaires. Surely every other statistic, economic and otherwise, would pretty much favour those who were more educated. I saw a brief allusion somewhere recently to the apparent fact that vocational education becomes even more of a fiscal liability as one gets older ... not that the future must be like the past, of course. On the other hand, it probably is the case that many millionaires require some uneducated and cheap labour in order to achieve their economic wealth or to spend it with the biggest bang for the buck, and if they can't get it cheap enough in their home country, they'll just find it somewhere else. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to draw together all the variables that are correlated with education or with parental education? Off the top of my head, here are a few ... educational achievement of one's children (passing all the benefits on to the next generation), attitudes toward various oft-stigmatized groups, being unemployed, income, some forms of mental illness, Unfortunately, people often look at the relationship between parental and child education in a negative light (i.e., advantaged being advantaged), without realizing that the parent (or their parent) may be the first of their lineage to advance to higher education. That is, education may be the gift that keeps on giving, even to future generations. I appreciate that correlation does not imply causation, but that applies as well, of course, to claims about millionaire dropouts (e.g., perhaps they dropped out because they saw a road to millionaire-hood) and surely one should not be excessively dismissive of relationships that appear to be robust and widespread, whatever the ultimate causal model. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu 23-Oct-11 4:14:46 PM There is an opinion piece in the NY Times by Michael Ellsberg that makes the case that college dropouts will save the U.S. because they are the true job creators. The article can be read here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/opinion/sunday/will-dropouts-save-america.html?pagewanted=allsrc=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB Ellsberg probably based the article on his currently popular book *The Education of Millionaires: It*s Not What You Think and It*s Not Too Late.* You can see the reviews and the reader comments up on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Education-Millionaires-What-Think-Portfolio/dp/1591844207 But all is not lost for academics. Vartain Gregorian, the president of the Carnegie corporation, wrote a review of the book in Time and makes the traditional argument for a liberal arts education in contrast to, say, vocational training or Ellsberg entrepreneurial education model. The book review can be read here: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/ But before Tipsters start feeling good about being teachers of psychology, the Time website also has the Top 10 best paid college majors and the worst college majors. The two lists can be found here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2073703,00.html The worst paying major is described here:
[tips] Autism and the iPad
The Jobs story continues on 60 Minutes. Well, at least it isn't the kind of thing that has been touted as helping autistic kids type. The iPad seems to be something that the autistic child can relate to. Consistency? Predictability? or is it just another thing that may or may not be a breakthrough. Any research proposals underway yet? I'm thinking about it and may have access to several autistic children. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13610 or send a blank email to leave-13610-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?
I really appreciate this being said by Jim. We have a large number of first generation college students at our university. My awareness of their unique situations has increased in the 4 years I've been here. I'd honestly never before thought much of it due to ignorance and my personal upbringing (both my family and that of nearly all of my friends). When I first heard that one common unique problem of first generation college students is resistance from their family about getting a college education I was caught completely off guard, it stunned me. I was raised by parents who both had advanced degrees (two J.D.s and an M.S.). Getting a bachelors degree was the minimal expected standard for me. To hear of youngsters whose parents didn't encourage and support their child going to college surprised me. I came to understand that there are feeling of threat that the child will become of a different culture and no longer love and respect their family is a major aspect of the parent's concerns (the child is becoming a member of an outgroup). This thing called education is not just transformative of an individual. It gets passed on and spread widely yielding the real power of it. The individual level analysis to find cost-effectiveness is, IMO, failing to account for the mass effects of having an educated society. As the old saying goes, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. Paul C Bernhardt Frostburg State University Frostburg, MD, USA pcbernhardt[at]frostburg[d0t]edu On Oct 23, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Jim Clark wrote: snips Unfortunately, people often look at the relationship between parental and child education in a negative light (i.e., advantaged being advantaged), without realizing that the parent (or their parent) may be the first of their lineage to advance to higher education. That is, education may be the gift that keeps on giving, even to future generations. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13611 or send a blank email to leave-13611-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?
Interesting! I taught a lot of first generation college students over 40 years; many of them didn't get a lot of support from their families (who were lucky to support themselves, financially and otherwise), but I don't recall hearing about a lot of actual resistance. In some cases, they were in college to prepare to take over the family farm or business. Of course, this is not data. On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: I really appreciate this being said by Jim. We have a large number of first generation college students at our university. My awareness of their unique situations has increased in the 4 years I've been here. I'd honestly never before thought much of it due to ignorance and my personal upbringing (both my family and that of nearly all of my friends). When I first heard that one common unique problem of first generation college students is resistance from their family about getting a college education I was caught completely off guard, it stunned me. I was raised by parents who both had advanced degrees (two J.D.s and an M.S.). Getting a bachelors degree was the minimal expected standard for me. To hear of youngsters whose parents didn't encourage and support their child going to college surprised me. I came to understand that there are feeling of threat that the child will become of a different culture and no longer love and respect their family is a major aspect of the parent's concerns (the child is becoming a member of an outgroup). This thing called education is not just transformative of an individual. It gets passed on and spread widely yielding the real power of it. The individual level analysis to find cost-effectiveness is, IMO, failing to account for the mass effects of having an educated society. As the old saying goes, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13612 or send a blank email to leave-13612-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
