Re: [tips] Data usage
I'm so sick of hearing "myself" used inappropriately I could scream. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:41 AM, David Hogberg wrote: > > Along those lines, "between you and I . . . " ought to be right up there, > too. > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2011 at 10:26, Annette Taylor wrote: >> >> > Most people can'tuse "I" versus "me" correctly, including most >> > academics: >> > >> > My student and me...went to a conference. >> > >> > Susie and me... saw that new movie. >> > >> >> No, no, Annette, I think you've got it backward. The uneducated >> nature of using "me" as the subject is well-known, even to the >> uneducated, and only Cookie Monster still uses it (if even he does >> now). Most people are so afraid of making that mistake that they >> overcorrect and avoid using "me" under any circumstances. >> >> For example "The waiter served my friend and I lunch"; "That new >> movie was seen by Susie and I". >> >> Now that bugs me. >> >> >> Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. >> Professor of Psychology, Emeritus >> Bishop's University >> Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada >> e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca >> - >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: dhogb...@albion.edu. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628e&n=T&l=tips&o=8977 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-8977-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu >> > > > > -- > David K. Hogberg, PhD > Professor of Psychology, Emeritus > Department of Psychological Science > Albion College > Albion MI 49224 > > Tel: 517/629-4834, Mobile: 517/262-1277 > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: devoldercar...@gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=177920.a45340211ac7929163a021623341&n=T&l=tips&o=8978 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-8978-177920.a45340211ac7929163a021623...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > -- Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor and Chair, Department of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 563-333-6482 This e-mail might be confidential, so please don't share it. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8993 or send a blank email to leave-8993-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Data usage
Marc Carter said: > Me too. > > In fact what has happened is that it's bleeding over > into other plural nouns, and I'm starting to > inadvertently say things like "the faculty are..." > -- people are looking at me funny. > Sounds rather British to me, and they seem to be happy with it. Could it be ... Ethnocentrism? . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8983 or send a blank email to leave-8983-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Data usage
Along those lines, "between you and I . . . " ought to be right up there, too. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, wrote: > On 24 Feb 2011 at 10:26, Annette Taylor wrote: > > > Most people can'tuse "I" versus "me" correctly, including most > > academics: > > > > My student and me...went to a conference. > > > > Susie and me... saw that new movie. > > > > No, no, Annette, I think you've got it backward. The uneducated > nature of using "me" as the subject is well-known, even to the > uneducated, and only Cookie Monster still uses it (if even he does > now). Most people are so afraid of making that mistake that they > overcorrect and avoid using "me" under any circumstances. > > For example "The waiter served my friend and I lunch"; "That new > movie was seen by Susie and I". > > Now that bugs me. > > > Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology, Emeritus > Bishop's University > Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada > e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca > - > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: dhogb...@albion.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628e&n=T&l=tips&o=8977 > or send a blank email to > leave-8977-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > -- David K. Hogberg, PhD Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Department of Psychological Science Albion College Albion MI 49224 Tel: 517/629-4834, Mobile: 517/262-1277 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8978 or send a blank email to leave-8978-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Data usage
On 24 Feb 2011 at 10:26, Annette Taylor wrote: > Most people can'tuse "I" versus "me" correctly, including most > academics: > > My student and me...went to a conference. > > Susie and me... saw that new movie. > No, no, Annette, I think you've got it backward. The uneducated nature of using "me" as the subject is well-known, even to the uneducated, and only Cookie Monster still uses it (if even he does now). Most people are so afraid of making that mistake that they overcorrect and avoid using "me" under any circumstances. For example "The waiter served my friend and I lunch"; "That new movie was seen by Susie and I". Now that bugs me. Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8977 or send a blank email to leave-8977-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Data usage
Most people can't use "I" versus "me" correctly, including most academics: My student and me...went to a conference. Susie and me... saw that new movie. UGH! For most people in America English is their only language, yet they can hardly ever speak it grammatically correctly. Of course, having added to this rant, I now have to watch what I post here. YIKES! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 tay...@sandiego.edu<mailto:tay...@sandiego.edu> From: Helweg-Larsen, Marie [helw...@dickinson.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:38 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Data usage It also doesn’t help that it says on all the fast checkout lanes in Walmart: less than 10 items. Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Danish Institute for Study Abroad (DIS), +45 2065 1360 Dickinson College (on leave 2010/2011) http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html From: Pollak, Edward [mailto:epol...@wcupa.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 14:32 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Data usage Claudia Stanny wrote: “Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! ……… When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings.” Claudia, is it possible that you are a long lost sister of mine? Our grammatical sensitivities seem to be identical.. Let’s check this hypothesis of grammatical kinship with one more pet peeve: It annoys me no end when someone says e.g., “less people buy American-made cars.” To my mind, it should be “fewer people.” If the referent occurs in discrete units (e.g., people, cars, trees, doillars, etc.) you use the adjective “fewer.” But if the referent is a more general concept or continuous, less discrete you use the word (water, forest, money) “less.” So there are fewer trees and there may be less forested land. There are more people chasing fewer dollars but more people chasing less capital. This seems obvious to me but it is so often breached that I’m beginning to question myself. It’s so common to have a colleague say “I have less students in my class this semester.” Or a newscaster says “The U.S. sold less cars this year.” This jars my grammatical sensibilities. So.. am I the only one who gets irked by this issue? Surely my purported grammatical soul mate, Claudia must have the same reaction. Ed Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Department of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania Office hours: Mondays noon-2 & 3-4; Tuesdays & Thursdays 8-9:15 & 12:30-2 http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/home.htm Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in approximate order of importance. From: Claudia Stanny mailto:csta...@uwf.edu>> Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural (so far). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu<mailto:helw...@dickinson.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=8962 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-8962-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-8962-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tay...@sandiego.edu<mailto:tay...@sandiego.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a21b0&n=T&l=tips&o=8963 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-8963-13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a2...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-8963-13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a2...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8976 or send a blank email to leave-8976-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Data usage
On 24 Feb 2011 at 8:38, Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: > It also doesn´t help that it says on all the fast checkout lanes > in Walmart: less than 10 items. OK, if we're onto pet peeves, I have to mention two which no one seems to care about. The first is "in harm's way". Why use the pedestrian term "in danger" when you can so tritely personify it? I'm afraid that "in danger" has been put in harm's way and is likely to die out entirely. Second is the misuse of "literally", and let me count the ways. It seems now to mean merely "very" rather than to clarify an ambiguity between the actual and the metaphoric. Consider "I literally went into therapy". Ponder "I literally jumped out of my skin". As for my original post on Michael Quinion, a respected authority on language, who dared to use "data" in the singular, note that he defended himself by claiming that this is current "British non- specialist usage". It would not, of course, get past APA, so my question was rhetorical, but language usage does change. Nowadays, it seems pedantic to me to maintain the distinction in conversation and in informal writing. But we can continue to cudgel students about it. (Actually Google's Ngram doesn't support part of my rant. It shows a steady decline in the use of "in danger" from 1800 to about 1940, when it bottoms out (with the hint of a small recovery just recently) So there seems to be no recent threat to its use. "In harm's way" is at much lower frequency, but does appear to have exploded in usage around 1990 (although it may now be falling back from its peak, which is encouraging). Stephen Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8974 or send a blank email to leave-8974-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Data usage
Me too. In fact what has happened is that it's bleeding over into other plural nouns, and I'm starting to inadvertently say things like "the faculty are..." -- people are looking at me funny. m -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Department of Psychology College of Arts & Sciences Baker University -- From: Steven Specht [mailto:sspe...@utica.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:22 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Data usage I'm with you both! Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171 monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com<http://monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com> "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King Jr. On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Pollak, Edward wrote: Claudia Stanny wrote: "Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! . When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings." Claudia, is it possible that you are a long lost sister of mine? Our grammatical sensitivities seem to be identical.. Let's check this hypothesis of grammatical kinship with one more pet peeve: It annoys me no end when someone says e.g., "less people buy American-made cars." To my mind, it should be "fewer people." If the referent occurs in discrete units (e.g., people, cars, trees, doillars, etc.) you use the adjective "fewer." But if the referent is a more general concept or continuous, less discrete you use the word (water, forest, money) "less." So there are fewer trees and there may be less forested land. There are more people chasing fewer dollars but more people chasing less capital. This seems obvious to me but it is so often breached that I'm beginning to question myself. It's so common to have a colleague say "I have less students in my class this semester." Or a newscaster says "The U.S. sold less cars this year." This jars my grammatical sensibilities. So.. am I the only one who gets irked by this issue? Surely my purported grammatical soul mate, Claudia must have the same reaction. Ed Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Department of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania Office hours: Mondays noon-2 & 3-4; Tuesdays & Thursdays 8-9:15 & 12:30-2 http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/home.htm Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in approximate order of importance. From: Claudia Stanny mailto:csta...@uwf.edu>> Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural (so far). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: sspe...@utica.edu<mailto:sspe...@utica.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976336&n=T&l=tips&o=8962 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-8962-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-8962-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: marc.car...@bakeru.edu<mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c90e1&n=T&l=tips&o=8970 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-8970-13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-8970-13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by Baker University ("BU") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in erro
Re: [tips] Data usage
I'm with you both! Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171 monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King Jr. On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Pollak, Edward wrote: > > > Claudia Stanny wrote: “Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me > cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! ……… When I > read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, > findings.” > > Claudia, is it possible that you are a long lost sister of mine? Our > grammatical sensitivities seem to be identical.. Let’s check this > hypothesis of grammatical kinship with one more pet peeve: It annoys me no > end when someone says e.g., “less people buy American-made cars.” To my > mind, it should be “fewer people.” If the referent occurs in discrete units > (e.g., people, cars, trees, doillars, etc.) you use the adjective “fewer.” > But if the referent is a more general concept or continuous, less discrete > you use the word (water, forest, money) “less.” So there are fewer trees and > there may be less forested land. There are more people chasing fewer dollars > but more people chasing less capital. > > This seems obvious to me but it is so often breached that I’m beginning to > question myself. It’s so common to have a colleague say “I have less students > in my class this semester.” Or a newscaster says “The U.S. sold less cars > this year.” This jars my grammatical sensibilities. So.. am I the only > one who gets irked by this issue? Surely my purported grammatical soul mate, > Claudia must have the same reaction. > > Ed > > > Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. > Department of Psychology > West Chester University of Pennsylvania > Office hours: Mondays noon-2 & 3-4; Tuesdays & Thursdays 8-9:15 & 12:30-2 > http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/home.htm > > Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in > approximate order of importance. > > From: Claudia Stanny > > Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, > and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) > > [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to > "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me > always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural > (so far). > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: sspe...@utica.edu. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976336&n=T&l=tips&o=8962 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-8962-13522.468cbac056133a996283cca7e2976...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8970 or send a blank email to leave-8970-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Data usage
It also doesn't help that it says on all the fast checkout lanes in Walmart: less than 10 items. Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Danish Institute for Study Abroad (DIS), +45 2065 1360 Dickinson College (on leave 2010/2011) http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html From: Pollak, Edward [mailto:epol...@wcupa.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 14:32 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Data usage Claudia Stanny wrote: "Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! . When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings." Claudia, is it possible that you are a long lost sister of mine? Our grammatical sensitivities seem to be identical.. Let's check this hypothesis of grammatical kinship with one more pet peeve: It annoys me no end when someone says e.g., "less people buy American-made cars." To my mind, it should be "fewer people." If the referent occurs in discrete units (e.g., people, cars, trees, doillars, etc.) you use the adjective "fewer." But if the referent is a more general concept or continuous, less discrete you use the word (water, forest, money) "less." So there are fewer trees and there may be less forested land. There are more people chasing fewer dollars but more people chasing less capital. This seems obvious to me but it is so often breached that I'm beginning to question myself. It's so common to have a colleague say "I have less students in my class this semester." Or a newscaster says "The U.S. sold less cars this year." This jars my grammatical sensibilities. So.. am I the only one who gets irked by this issue? Surely my purported grammatical soul mate, Claudia must have the same reaction. Ed Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Department of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania Office hours: Mondays noon-2 & 3-4; Tuesdays & Thursdays 8-9:15 & 12:30-2 http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/home.htm Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in approximate order of importance. From: Claudia Stanny mailto:csta...@uwf.edu>> Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural (so far). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu<mailto:helw...@dickinson.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=8962 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-8962-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-8962-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8963 or send a blank email to leave-8963-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Data usage
Claudia Stanny wrote: "Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! . When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings." Claudia, is it possible that you are a long lost sister of mine? Our grammatical sensitivities seem to be identical.. Let's check this hypothesis of grammatical kinship with one more pet peeve: It annoys me no end when someone says e.g., "less people buy American-made cars." To my mind, it should be "fewer people." If the referent occurs in discrete units (e.g., people, cars, trees, doillars, etc.) you use the adjective "fewer." But if the referent is a more general concept or continuous, less discrete you use the word (water, forest, money) "less." So there are fewer trees and there may be less forested land. There are more people chasing fewer dollars but more people chasing less capital. This seems obvious to me but it is so often breached that I'm beginning to question myself. It's so common to have a colleague say "I have less students in my class this semester." Or a newscaster says "The U.S. sold less cars this year." This jars my grammatical sensibilities. So.. am I the only one who gets irked by this issue? Surely my purported grammatical soul mate, Claudia must have the same reaction. Ed Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Department of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania Office hours: Mondays noon-2 & 3-4; Tuesdays & Thursdays 8-9:15 & 12:30-2 http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/home.htm Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in approximate order of importance. From: Claudia Stanny mailto:csta...@uwf.edu>> Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural (so far). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8962 or send a blank email to leave-8962-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Data usage
Speaking for myself, reading "the data is" makes me cringe, grind my teeth, and reach for a very sharp red pencil! :-) [just recently finished editing a slew of "data is" constructions to "data are" in a colleague's prose] When I read "data" a part of me always substitutes words like numbers, observations, findings. All plural (so far). Claudia Stanny --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8945 or send a blank email to leave-8945-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Data usage
Look what's happened to the use of "media." Is, for example, criterion/criteria next? APA rules or not, misuses grate on my ears. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, wrote: > The word, not what it refers to. > > From Michael Quinion's "WorldWide Words" recently: > > "Several readers queried my writing in the last issue, "The data so > far is unsurprising" because for them "data" is plural. It may be > worth noting that British non-specialist usage has settled on "data" > as a singular mass noun. " > > Would the APA let us get away with it? Send me something. > > Stephen > > Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology, Emeritus > Bishop's University > Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada > e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca > - > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: dhogb...@albion.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628e&n=T&l=tips&o=8939 > or send a blank email to > leave-8939-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > -- David K. Hogberg, PhD Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Department of Psychological Science Albion College Albion MI 49224 Tel: 517/629-4834, Mobile: 517/262-1277 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8942 or send a blank email to leave-8942-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Data usage
The word, not what it refers to. >From Michael Quinion's "WorldWide Words" recently: "Several readers queried my writing in the last issue, "The data so far is unsurprising" because for them "data" is plural. It may be worth noting that British non-specialist usage has settled on "data" as a singular mass noun. " Would the APA let us get away with it? Send me something. Stephen Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=8939 or send a blank email to leave-8939-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu