Re: [tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:45:11 -0800, Stephen Black wrote: [Snip] Mike commented: On 9 Dec 2012 at 11:33, Mike Palij wrote: Where Prof. Black got the idea that Milner was involved is/was a mystery and Turns out that the planned film (which as not yet been made) was to be based on Suzanne Corkin's book on H.M. First, it seems that Mike is unaware that Brenda Milner was the first to appreciate the enormous importance of H.M. to neuropsychology and the first to to initiate systematic study of his staggering memory impairment (See Scoville and Milner, 1957). [Snip] Classic Black. Of course I know Milner's role in all this but the information given in the popular media was that the movie was going to focus on Corkin's years with H.M. Again, where Black got the idea that Milner would be the movie or what role, if any, she would play is a mystery. Or a product of his imagination. If Black had looked at the article I linked to on the variety website, he would have read: |Studio has completed a deal for screen rights to a memoir that |just sold to Scribner and which will be written by Dr. Suzanne |Corkin, the doctor who worked with Molaison for 45 years. | |The plan is to develop a film about H.M. as seen through the eyes |of Corkin, a professor of behavioral neuroscience in the Dept. of |Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT. Columbia and Rudin also |acquired rights to Philip Hilts' "Memory's Ghost: The Nature of |Memory and the Strange Tale of Mr. M," a 1996 book written about H.M. No mention of Milner or any indication of what role she might play in the film. Depending upon who ultimately writes the screenplay and directs the movie, Milner may play a minor role or no role at all. [Snip] Finally, this nitpick from MIke: (nor is it clear why he [that's me] though Rudin directed "No Country for Old Men" when it was the Coen brothers who directed it). Let the record show that in my old post to which Mike refers: a) I correctly identified Rudin as the director of the new film on H.M. *eyes roll* I'd like to know what evidence Black has for this statement. Rudin is a PRODUCER not a DIRECTOR as examination of his IMDB record will attest to; see: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0748784/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 Rudin has NEVER directed a movie and all of his future movies on IMDB has him in the role of producer. The NY Times, using info from another database, shows that Rudin is the producer and that other roles have not been filled; see: http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/457686/Untitled-Columbia-Pictures-Scott-Rudin-Memory-Project/credits b) I correctly identified Rudin as associated with the film "No Country for Old Men" c) I never said that Rudin was the director of "No Country for Old Men". Black wrote: |But the director Scott Rudin (No Country for Old Men) is a heavyweight. So let's see: Black calls Scott Rudin a director (even though he has never directed any film) and provided the name of a film after his name, which would invite the inference that the "director Scott Rudin directed the movie 'No Country for Old Man' ". Since you didn't specify any other role for Rudin outside of director, what role would Rudin play for the Coen's brothers film? So what was MIke going on about? That, as usual, you don't appear to know what you are talking about. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22276 or send a blank email to leave-22276-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
On 9 Dec 2012 at 11:33, Mike Palij wrote: > Given Professor Black's history of posts on Tips, it is not always > clear when he is serious or joking, serious about facts or joking > about facts, thinking that some statement is a fact when in fact it is > a joke, and so on. Case in point, see, for example: > http://www.mail-archive.com/tips@acsun.frostburg.edu/msg28190.html and a bit farther down: > So, when Prof. Black speaks, it is not always clear what he means. > Especially if he leaves out emoticons. I'm pleased to discover how much Mike P. has missed me, and particularly pleased that he continues to treasure posts of mine almost three years old, which even I had forgotten about. On his complaint and confusion, I've always felt that a good joke doesn't need the help of tiresome emoticons. In fact, it spoils the joke and insults the intelligence of the reader. No risk of that in Mike's case, of course :-) In that old post, I reported a film to be made about H.M., the late patient with tragically-impaired memory. I had speculated (tongue-in-cheek, Mike) about which actress might play Brenda Milner. Mike commented: > Where Prof. > Black got the idea that Milner was involved is/was a mystery and > Turns out that the planned film (which as not yet been made) > was to be based on Suzanne Corkin's book on H.M. First, it seems that Mike is unaware that Brenda Milner was the first to appreciate the enormous importance of H.M. to neuropsychology and the first to to initiate systematic study of his staggering memory impairment (See Scoville and Milner, 1957). Suzanne Corkin was Milner's student. So any halfway decent retelling of the H.M. story with a degree of historical accuracy would have to include some portrayal of the important contribution of Milner. Picture it. Milner rises from her office chair, fixes Corkin with a steely gaze, and says, "He's yours. Go forth and study him. Neuropsychology depends on it." As for choice of actress, I still favour Kidman or Winslet if a young Milner is to be portrayed. For an older scientist remembering how it all began, I suggest the ineffable Judi Dench. After all, she's going to have time on her hands now that her contribution to Bond pictures is over. Finally, this nitpick from MIke: > (nor is it clear why he [that's me] though Rudin directed "No Country for Old Men" when it was the Coen brothers who directed it). Let the record show that in my old post to which Mike refers: a) I correctly identified Rudin as the director of the new film on H.M. b) I correctly identified Rudin as associated with the film "No Country for Old Men" c) I never said that Rudin was the director of "No Country for Old Men". So what was MIke going on about? Stephen Scoville, W., and Milner, B. (1957). Loss of recent memory after bilateral hippocampal lesions. J. Neurol. Neurosurg. Psychiat. 20, 11- [ available on-line at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC497229/?page=1 ] Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22271 or send a blank email to leave-22271-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:31:46 -0800, Stephen Black wrote: On 8 Dec 2012 at 10:08, Mike Palij wrote: To increase the educational value of this topic, here are additional facts/factoids: http://www.livescience.com/21434-breast-facts-boobs-sexuality.html The thing it takes to bring me out of hibernation: Boy, the things that make one respond to a Stephen Black post. The slide show has its history wrong. Forget American Mary Phelps-Jacobs. Two words: Otto Titzling. Given Professor Black's history of posts on Tips, it is not always clear when he is serious or joking, serious about facts or joking about facts, thinking that some statement is a fact when in fact it is a joke, and so on. Case in point, see, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/tips@acsun.frostburg.edu/msg28190.html Prof. Black was gushing about the possibility of a movie being made about H.M. in which Brenda Milner, one of Canada's most famous people (or at least psychologist), would be featured. Would Nicole Kidman play Milner or Kate Winslet? Turns out that the planned film (which has not yet been made) was to be based on Suzanne Corkin's book on H.M.; see: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/One-Of-History-s-Most-Famous-Brains-Goes-To-The-Movies-11877.html and http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117999537?refCatId=13 Where Prof. Black got the idea that Milner was involved is/was a mystery (nor is it clear why he though Rudin directed "No Country for Old Men" when it was the Coen brothers who directed it). For the Corkin's soon to be published book on H.M., see: http://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Present-Tense-Unforgettable-Amnesic/dp/0465031595/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355069642&sr=1-1&keywords=suzanne+corkin So, when Prof. Black speaks, it is not always clear what he means. Especially if he leaves out emoticons. The slide show has its history wrong. Forget American Mary Phelps-Jacobs. Two words: Otto Titzling. Otto Titzling is a fictional character in the novel "Bust-Up"; see the description on Amazon, in particular, read the first reader's comments; see: http://www.amazon.com/Bust-up-uplifting-tale-Titzling-development/dp/0131087614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355059541&sr=1-1&keywords=Titzling Is Prof Black being serious or is he joking? I see no ;-) Also, read the Wikipedia entry on Titzling; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Titzling Quoting from the entry: |Otto Titzling is a fictional character who is apocryphally described as |the inventor of the brassiere in a book Bust Up: The Uplifting Tale of |Otto Titzling, published by Macdonald in London in 1971 and by |Prentice-Hall in the USA. And Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/bra.asp Snopes provided some other possible candidates which might be considered. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to discover how the current vulgar term for these, um, items derives from the eponymous Otto. So, is Prof Black joking about Titzling being the originator of the bra or is he confused and actually thinks that Titzling is originator? http://snipurl.com/25tl60g (an authortative reference which would satisfy even Allen Esterson) Again, citing the Wikipedia entry: |the 1988 movie Beaches features a song by this name sung by Bette Midler, And if that's not convincing enough, here's the original source: http://snipurl.com/25tl908 See the Amazon link above. Now ask me about the inventor of the flush toilet. Quoting from the Titzling entry on Wikipedia: |A similar situation exists with Thomas Crapper, who was a real-life plumber |but did not invent the flush toilet. Who did invent the flush toilet? This is kinda like asking who invented baseball (anyone who watched the Ken Burn's documentary on baseball will know what I mean). To better understand this situation, consider the history of the flush toilet see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flush_toilet#History A free roll of TP to the first person who can guess when the earliest flush toilet was used without looking at the Wikipedia entry or other sources. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu P.S. In case Prof. Black is joking, allow me to laugh "Ha-Ha-Ha". Otherwise, so it goes. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22266 or send a blank email to leave-22266-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
Stephen Black said: Now ask me about the inventor of the flush toilet.>>> Okay, what about the flush toilet? I suppose that you are going to say it wasn't Sir Thomas Crapper. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22263 or send a blank email to leave-22263-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
On 8 Dec 2012 at 10:08, Mike Palij wrote: > > To increase the educational value of this topic, here are additional > facts/factoids: > http://www.livescience.com/21434-breast-facts-boobs-sexuality.html The thing it takes to bring me out of hibernation: The slide show has its history wrong. Forget American Mary Phelps-Jacobs. Two words: Otto Titzling. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to discover how the current vulgar term for these, um, items derives from the eponymous Otto. http://snipurl.com/25tl60g (an authortative reference which would satisfy even Allen Esterson) And if that's not convincing enough, here's the original source: http://snipurl.com/25tl908 Now ask me about the inventor of the flush toilet. Stephen Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22262 or send a blank email to leave-22262-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Guys, Here's Another Excuse
Somehow this didn't catch the attention of Tipsters when it first came out but it might be of interest to some now: http://www.livescience.com/23500-why-men-love-breasts.html To increase the educational value of this topic, here are additional facts/factoids: http://www.livescience.com/21434-breast-facts-boobs-sexuality.html Now, where is that Victoria's Secret catalog? ;-) -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=22245 or send a blank email to leave-22245-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
