RE: RE:[tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
Jim Two thoughts. First, you asked in your original post whether students were resistant to some ideas. Of course they are (I think that is well documented) but in this particular case the more likely explanation is that they did not learn the specific information and/or they did not learn the general principle (that you wanted them to learn). Second, the Dovido study is quite specific. Is that really a general principle that Black applicants are preferred in strong and weak conditions? That seems to fly in the face of an enormous amount of research showing the general principle that Blacks are disadvantaged in many circumstances although particularly when the information is ambiguous. So in your original question I think one general principle (discrimination still happens today much more than we realize) is quite nicely captured by the answer all of the above. Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office hours: Monday 10:30-11:30, Tuesday and Wednesday 2:00-3:30 PM http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:02 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi Thanks to all for the thoughtful comments. I would just like to focus on one issue, nicely contextualized by Annette's comment below about the need to rebut every individual myth. Ultimately I think most of us want students to acquire general principles rather than specific facts. In my case, it is the general principle that discrimination is more likely to occur under ambiguous circumstances, perhaps because the ambiguity provides an acceptable (albeit racially selective) rationale for the discrimination. Students are exposed to a number of studies illustrating the evidence for and application of this principle. I deliberately do NOT describe the study I want to see if they can generalize to, although I sometimes mention such a scenario casually in lecture. What I am explicitly interested in is whether they acquire and can use the principle to predict what would happen under other situations with similar properties (i.e., ambiguity). After all, there are innumerable scenarios in the real world where the principle would apply and we cannot possibly teach them all. Here's a link to the (non-taught) study I would like them to generate accurate predictions for. If you look at Table 1, Black applicants are actually preferred in the Strong and Weak conditions, in marked contrast to the White preference in the Ambiguous condition. http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/Reference%20Media/Dovidio_Gaertner_2000_Discrimination.pdf I'll think about rewording the question, as several people have suggested (e.g., describing more concretely scenarios from the Dovidio study), but also consider other ways to promote generalization in class. Perhaps an activity like having students generate scenarios under which they think discrimination would occur and explain why, with classroom discussion? Thanks again for the comments. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edu 28-Apr-13 10:16 AM Hi Jim: In my work on dispelling student misconceptions my colleague and I have found in over a decade of research that the most efficient approach requires you to activate the misconception and THEN show them why that misconception leads to unsupported predictions and THEN ALSO to show that there is evidence for a conception that is more predictive and more supported by the evidence so that the state of the world that the evidence supports is a more fruitful way to think about things. We have also found that we have to dispel each common misconception (see Scott's 50 myths for what is really a compilation of about 200 myths (sorry Scott, I haven't counted them all up!)) on a one-by-one basis. There is NO TRANSFER because each seems to sit as an independent type of factoid within the students' minds. I suspect something similar is happening for you here. You really have to attack these misconceptions directly, assertively, vigorously and refutationally. Otherwise they are unlikely to change. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Student resistance to some ideas? From: Jim Clark j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:21:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt
RE: RE:[tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
Hi Here's the Aberson Ettlin (2004) meta-analysis demonstrating some generality to the effect. http://www.humboldt.edu/psychology/fs/aberson/sjr.pdf I briefly summarize the conclusions, but could spend more time on this in class as well. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA Helweg-Larsen, Marie helw...@dickinson.edu 29-Apr-13 8:28 AM Jim Two thoughts. First, you asked in your original post whether students were resistant to some ideas. Of course they are (I think that is well documented) but in this particular case the more likely explanation is that they did not learn the specific information and/or they did not learn the general principle (that you wanted them to learn). Second, the Dovido study is quite specific. Is that really a general principle that Black applicants are preferred in strong and weak conditions? That seems to fly in the face of an enormous amount of research showing the general principle that Blacks are disadvantaged in many circumstances although particularly when the information is ambiguous. So in your original question I think one general principle (discrimination still happens today much more than we realize) is quite nicely captured by the answer all of the above. Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office hours: Monday 10:30-11:30, Tuesday and Wednesday 2:00-3:30 PM http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:02 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi Thanks to all for the thoughtful comments. I would just like to focus on one issue, nicely contextualized by Annette's comment below about the need to rebut every individual myth. Ultimately I think most of us want students to acquire general principles rather than specific facts. In my case, it is the general principle that discrimination is more likely to occur under ambiguous circumstances, perhaps because the ambiguity provides an acceptable (albeit racially selective) rationale for the discrimination. Students are exposed to a number of studies illustrating the evidence for and application of this principle. I deliberately do NOT describe the study I want to see if they can generalize to, although I sometimes mention such a scenario casually in lecture. What I am explicitly interested in is whether they acquire and can use the principle to predict what would happen under other situations with similar properties (i.e., ambiguity). After all, there are innumerable scenarios in the real world where the principle would apply and we cannot possibly teach them all. Here's a link to the (non-taught) study I would like them to generate accurate predictions for. If you look at Table 1, Black applicants are actually preferred in the Strong and Weak conditions, in marked contrast to the White preference in the Ambiguous condition. http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/Reference%20Media/Dovidio_Gaertner_2000_Discrimination.pdf I'll think about rewording the question, as several people have suggested (e.g., describing more concretely scenarios from the Dovidio study), but also consider other ways to promote generalization in class. Perhaps an activity like having students generate scenarios under which they think discrimination would occur and explain why, with classroom discussion? Thanks again for the comments. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edu 28-Apr-13 10:16 AM Hi Jim: In my work on dispelling student misconceptions my colleague and I have found in over a decade of research that the most efficient approach requires you to activate the misconception and THEN show them why that misconception leads to unsupported predictions and THEN ALSO to show that there is evidence for a conception that is more predictive and more supported by the evidence so that the state of the world that the evidence supports is a more fruitful way to think about things. We have also found that we have to dispel each common misconception (see Scott's 50 myths for what is really a compilation of about 200 myths (sorry Scott, I haven't counted them all up!)) on a one-by-one basis. There is NO TRANSFER because each seems to sit as an independent type of factoid within the students' minds. I suspect something similar is happening for you here. You really have to attack these misconceptions directly, assertively
RE: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
One possibility is that you're not framing the question in terms of research on this topic. So they might answer based on the politically correct answer or their gut reaction which is that discrimination happens all the time in all contexts. It might help to place the question in the context of a specific study (in class, we discussed research on x and y by p and q which showed that ... ) or research in general (research shows that ). Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office hours: Monday 10:30-11:30, Tuesday and Wednesday 2:00-3:30 PM http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:21 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797fn=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25262 or send a blank email to leave-25262-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
I also felt the question's wording is such that it doesn't seem to map onto the research that you describe being discussed in class. I'm not sure that moderate or weak qualifications are 'ambiguous' situations. I could argue that moderate is the most ambiguous, but that weak is also ambiguous. If I were to rewrite the question (assuming I understand it correctly) it might be this: Suppose a hiring committee was deciding between two candidates, one White and one Non-White. In terms of years of experience, education level and other objective factors, the two candidates are nearly identical. Based on the research discussed in class, in which of the situations below would discrimination in favor of the White versus the Non-White candidate? a) Because the position involves working with the public, the candidates demonstrated a presentation and some judgement criteria were used (e.g., dress, grooming, language use and mannerisms). b) Because the position involves providing numerical data for internal corporate reports, the candidates' demonstrated during a work performance task the accuracy with statistical calculations. c) Because the position allows about 90% of the time working from home, the candidates' demonstrated their live internet video capability by doing one short interview from their home. d) All of the above. Paul On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: One possibility is that you're not framing the question in terms of research on this topic. So they might answer based on the politically correct answer or their gut reaction which is that discrimination happens all the time in all contexts. It might help to place the question in the context of a specific study (in class, we discussed research on x and y by p and q which showed that ... ) or research in general (research shows that ). Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 Office hours: Monday 10:30-11:30, Tuesday and Wednesday 2:00-3:30 PM http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:21 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797fn=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003n=Tl=tipso=25262 or send a blank email to leave-25262-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25265 or send a blank email to leave-25265-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
I keep telling my students that they should spend two hours working on the course outside of class for every one hour in class. They are highly resistant to this idea. :-) Cheers, Karl L. Wuensch -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:21 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: wuens...@ecu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b3534420en=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b35344...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25268 or send a blank email to leave-25268-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
Karl Resistant? Were you going for understatement of the decade. :) Invariably when I invite students in after they have successfully failed the first test (or the first two, or . . . ) they explain to me study habits which pretty much equate to my own habits watching TV. I turn the TV on, watch the program, then move on to the next or turn it off- that's pretty much what they report doing with their books except I don't go to as many parties! I had a student tell me the other day they didn't see why they needed to study stuff we went over in class (all the while trying to explain why my tests were tricky). Sigh. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. . .. Sorry- I'm teaching an extra class this term and not my usual optimistic self. I fear I'm becoming the department curmudgeon lately! :) (LATELY?!?! - shouted from the back of the room!) Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor, Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker From: Wuensch, Karl L [wuens...@ecu.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? I keep telling my students that they should spend two hours working on the course outside of class for every one hour in class. They are highly resistant to this idea. :-) Cheers, Karl L. Wuensch -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:21 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: wuens...@ecu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b3534420en=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b35344...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b177an=Tl=tipso=25268 or send a blank email to leave-25268-13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b1...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25271 or send a blank email to leave-25271-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
They also tell me they do better in all their other classes but mine. They tend to exaggerate, but superficial, passing acquaintance with the material is typical in some classes. On the plus side, I had a few students recently tell me they appreciated the depth of understanding I expect. They mentioned not ever being challenged in their other classes. Last semester I had (a few) students mad at me because I urged them to raise their level of study and become super psych students. The class this term seemed motivated and eager to meet the challenges together. And so it goes... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Apr 28, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Tim Shearon tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu wrote: Karl Resistant? Were you going for understatement of the decade. :) Invariably when I invite students in after they have successfully failed the first test (or the first two, or . . . ) they explain to me study habits which pretty much equate to my own habits watching TV. I turn the TV on, watch the program, then move on to the next or turn it off- that's pretty much what they report doing with their books except I don't go to as many parties! I had a student tell me the other day they didn't see why they needed to study stuff we went over in class (all the while trying to explain why my tests were tricky). Sigh. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. . .. Sorry- I'm teaching an extra class this term and not my usual optimistic self. I fear I'm becoming the department curmudgeon lately! :) (LATELY?!?! - shouted from the back of the room!) Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor, Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker From: Wuensch, Karl L [wuens...@ecu.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? I keep telling my students that they should spend two hours working on the course outside of class for every one hour in class. They are highly resistant to this idea. :-) Cheers, Karl L. Wuensch -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:21 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Student resistance to some ideas? Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: wuens...@ecu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b3534420en=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b35344...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b177an=Tl=tipso=25268 or send a blank email to leave-25268-13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b1...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=25271 or send a blank email to leave-25271-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25272 or send a blank email to leave-25272-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Student resistance to some ideas?
Hi Thanks to all for the thoughtful comments. I would just like to focus on one issue, nicely contextualized by Annette's comment below about the need to rebut every individual myth. Ultimately I think most of us want students to acquire general principles rather than specific facts. In my case, it is the general principle that discrimination is more likely to occur under ambiguous circumstances, perhaps because the ambiguity provides an acceptable (albeit racially selective) rationale for the discrimination. Students are exposed to a number of studies illustrating the evidence for and application of this principle. I deliberately do NOT describe the study I want to see if they can generalize to, although I sometimes mention such a scenario casually in lecture. What I am explicitly interested in is whether they acquire and can use the principle to predict what would happen under other situations with similar properties (i.e., ambiguity). After all, there are innumerable scenarios in the real world where the principle would apply and we cannot possibly teach them all. Here's a link to the (non-taught) study I would like them to generate accurate predictions for. If you look at Table 1, Black applicants are actually preferred in the Strong and Weak conditions, in marked contrast to the White preference in the Ambiguous condition. http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/Reference%20Media/Dovidio_Gaertner_2000_Discrimination.pdf I'll think about rewording the question, as several people have suggested (e.g., describing more concretely scenarios from the Dovidio study), but also consider other ways to promote generalization in class. Perhaps an activity like having students generate scenarios under which they think discrimination would occur and explain why, with classroom discussion? Thanks again for the comments. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edu 28-Apr-13 10:16 AM Hi Jim: In my work on dispelling student misconceptions my colleague and I have found in over a decade of research that the most efficient approach requires you to activate the misconception and THEN show them why that misconception leads to unsupported predictions and THEN ALSO to show that there is evidence for a conception that is more predictive and more supported by the evidence so that the state of the world that the evidence supports is a more fruitful way to think about things. We have also found that we have to dispel each common misconception (see Scott's 50 myths for what is really a compilation of about 200 myths (sorry Scott, I haven't counted them all up!)) on a one-by-one basis. There is NO TRANSFER because each seems to sit as an independent type of factoid within the students' minds. I suspect something similar is happening for you here. You really have to attack these misconceptions directly, assertively, vigorously and refutationally. Otherwise they are unlikely to change. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Student resistance to some ideas? From: Jim Clark j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:21:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=25260 or send a blank email to leave-25260-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25273 or send a blank
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Hi In my culture and psych course, I spend some time on the idea that (at least in modern times) overt discrimination tends to be observed mostly under ambiguous situations (e.g., poking studies, ignoring evidence showing innocence in mock trials, ...). Nonetheless, when I ask students on tests whether discrimination in favor of white versus non-white applicants is more likely when a. both have strong qualifications b. both have moderate qualifications c. both have weak qualifications d. all of the above Students overwhelmingly choose d. all of the above, even when I occasionally mention casually in class something very close to this scenario. Is there something wrong with the question? Do people have other examples where students appear resistant to acceptance of some taught idea? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor Chair of Psychology j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Room 4L41A 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax Dept of Psychology, U of Winnipeg 515 Portage Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0R4 CANADA --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25246 or send a blank email to leave-25246-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.eduattachment: Jim_Clark.vcf
