RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1 and HuffPo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/corinthian-colleges-closing_n_7147380.html Thousands of students are affected as well as faculty and staff. One wonders what the long-term consequences will be. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=44370 or send a blank email to leave-44370-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
It’s a question of whether an institution spends its money on education or on marketing. We’ve got billboards and media ads for the local for profit ‘college’ all over the place; the local community college is much less visible. On Apr 28, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edu wrote: Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1 and HuffPo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/corinthian-colleges-closing_n_7147380.html Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=44372 or send a blank email to leave-44372-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
I assumed he was attracted by the artificially high placement rates created buy paying temp agencies to employ recent graduates. While I was shocked by this practice but it goes to show that institutions will find ways to achieve by whatever metric is used to measure success and many times what is measured is what sells (or what is easy to measure). If I could go back in time I would stop colleges and universities from ever promoting better jobs and higher wages as an outcome (no matter how true it is and was) it was the beginning of the commodification of education. Doug Doug Peterson, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology The University of South Dakota Vermillion SD 57069 605.677.5295 From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:19 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1 and HuffPo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/corinthian-colleges-closing_n_7147380.html Thousands of students are affected as well as faculty and staff. One wonders what the long-term consequences will be. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: doug.peter...@usd.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=12991.6a54289b29ceb58cb7609cc50e0dc1c8n=Tl=tipso=44370 or send a blank email to leave-44370-12991.6a54289b29ceb58cb7609cc50e0dc...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=44374 or send a blank email to leave-44374-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
Hi Perhaps a good example for correlation does not imply causation? Here's an alternative model Government funding cutback -- Tuition needs to be raised -- multiple negative consequences (student as consumer, practical course selection, ...) Take care Jim Jim Clark Professor Chair of Psychology University of Winnipeg 204-786-9757 Room 4L41 (4th Floor Lockhart) www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clarkhttp://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark From: Paul C Bernhardt [mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:14 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever This, If I could go back in time I would stop colleges and universities from ever promoting better jobs and higher wages as an outcome (no matter how true it is and was) it was the beginning of the commodification of education. As soon as that became the advertised draw for college education, it started so many trends. * 'If college graduates make more money, then they should not be subsidized to get an education' says legislatures around the nation * 'If making more money is the goal of college, then taking courses outside the major that will supposedly make me money is a waste of my time and money' says students paying more for their education * 'if getting a better job is the outcome from college, then anything that a college does to make it harder to graduate (like give me an F), is damaging my life' says the students paying more for their education * 'if i'm paying more for this product, then I have a right to say how good the product is, how much I like it', says the students paying more for their education None of these are irrational, once one decides that the goal of education is to make more money in better jobs. If we make the goal of education to improve our culture and our international competitiveness, then all the above goes away as issues. Paul C Bernhardt, Ph.D. Guild 215 301-687-4410 Office Hours for Spring 2015 M 12:30-1:30; T 3:30-4:30; WF 3:00-4:30 Schedule meetings anytime via https://drbernhardt.youcanbook.me On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Peterson, Douglas (USD) doug.peter...@usd.edumailto:doug.peter...@usd.edu wrote: I assumed he was attracted by the artificially high placement rates created buy paying temp agencies to employ recent graduates. While I was shocked by this practice but it goes to show that institutions will find ways to achieve by whatever metric is used to measure success and many times what is measured is what sells (or what is easy to measure). If I could go back in time I would stop colleges and universities from ever promoting better jobs and higher wages as an outcome (no matter how true it is and was) it was the beginning of the commodification of education. Doug Doug Peterson, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology The University of South Dakota Vermillion SD 57069 605.677.5295 From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edumailto:tay...@sandiego.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:19 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edumailto:tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edumailto:m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1
Re: [tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
This, If I could go back in time I would stop colleges and universities from ever promoting better jobs and higher wages as an outcome (no matter how true it is and was) it was the beginning of the commodification of education.” As soon as that became the advertised draw for college education, it started so many trends. * 'If college graduates make more money, then they should not be subsidized to get an education’ says legislatures around the nation * ‘If making more money is the goal of college, then taking courses outside the major that will supposedly make me money is a waste of my time and money’ says students paying more for their education * ‘if getting a better job is the outcome from college, then anything that a college does to make it harder to graduate (like give me an F), is damaging my life’ says the students paying more for their education * ‘if i’m paying more for this product, then I have a right to say how good the product is, how much I like it’, says the students paying more for their education None of these are irrational, once one decides that the goal of education is to make more money in better jobs. If we make the goal of education to improve our culture and our international competitiveness, then all the above goes away as issues. Paul C Bernhardt, Ph.D. Guild 215 301-687-4410 Office Hours for Spring 2015 M 12:30-1:30; T 3:30-4:30; WF 3:00-4:30 Schedule meetings anytime via https://drbernhardt.youcanbook.me On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Peterson, Douglas (USD) doug.peter...@usd.edumailto:doug.peter...@usd.edu wrote: I assumed he was attracted by the artificially high placement rates created buy paying temp agencies to employ recent graduates. While I was shocked by this practice but it goes to show that institutions will find ways to achieve by whatever metric is used to measure success and many times what is measured is what sells (or what is easy to measure). If I could go back in time I would stop colleges and universities from ever promoting better jobs and higher wages as an outcome (no matter how true it is and was) it was the beginning of the commodification of education. Doug Doug Peterson, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology The University of South Dakota Vermillion SD 57069 605.677.5295 From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edumailto:tay...@sandiego.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:19 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edumailto:tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1 and HuffPo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/corinthian-colleges-closing_n_7147380.html Thousands of students are affected as well as faculty and staff. One wonders what the long-term consequences will be. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: doug.peter...@usd.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=12991.6a54289b29ceb58cb7609cc50e0dc1c8n=Tl=tipso=44370 or send a blank email to leave-44370-12991.6a54289b29ceb58cb7609cc50e0dc...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http
RE:[tips] Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever
Annette raises an interesting question. I wonder if some students are persuaded by the rather irrational but commonly used logic that the value we ascribe to a college (or event or person) is determined by how difficult it was to obtain. That is, it might be that the obscene tuition charged by the for-profit college was the very reason that many of their students choose to enroll. That is, the higher tuition caused them to view it as an institution with more value and prestige compared to the surrounding community colleges. Also, these same students might simply have felt better telling their buddies that they were attending Corinthian College vs. a community college. I teach at a community college and have been consistently aware of the disparity between the attitudes of students attending Oakton straight out of high school vs. the students attending after dropping out of a 4-year institution. The latter group seems far more aware and appreciative of the smaller classes, lower tuition, availability of support systems, etc. than the former. I suspect their attitudes now are less influenced by their HS peer culture than by their personal experiences. Joan Joan Warmbold jwarm...@oakton.edu Interesting part of the article: interview with a student 3 classes away from graduation. Lives in the OC, socal. Educational goal: associate's degree in criminal justice. What kind of associate's degree is he buying for the high tuition rates that he cannot get a community college? A quick perusal of the internet showed dozens and dozens of programs in criminal justice at community college in California. It must have been some heck of a sales job that Corinthian was able to put on people. Thank goodness it will no longer prey on people who are not smart enough to figure out that they don't need to pay top dollar, financed heavily with student loans, to buy their education in socal--or probably anywhere! They can just go to their local community college. But it does raise the larger question of how and why would people be persuaded to pursue an AA or AS degree at such a high priced institution? The California Community Colleges advertise all the time on radio about how affordable it is, how widespread it is, how anyone (I hope within reason) can be admitted...so the persuasion here must have been something truly extraordinary! Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu Subject: Corinthian Colleges Closed Today -- Forever From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:58:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 The for-profit Corithinian Colleges (which consists of several colleges, both physical and online) closed down operations today. For one source on this, see the link to the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html#page=1 and HuffPo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/corinthian-colleges-closing_n_7147380.html Thousands of students are affected as well as faculty and staff. One wonders what the long-term consequences will be. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: jwarm...@oakton.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=49240.d374d0c18780e492c3d2e63f91752d0dn=Tl=tipso=44370 or send a blank email to leave-44370-49240.d374d0c18780e492c3d2e63f91752...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=44386 or send a blank email to leave-44386-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
