RE: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School
Well, now that's an attitude that will generate job security for those of remaining in academia. But it won't do anything for students who really would like to aspire to become college professors! Or who just like life-long learning and knowledge generation. I saw no winky or other nonverbal cue that perhaps this was said tongue in cheek, so I am taking it at face value...perhaps I shouldn't. annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 tay...@sandiego.edu From: Michael Smith [tipsl...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:00 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School Sounds good. It's about time the word got out that graduate school is a waste of time, especially in the social sciences and humanities. --Mike On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:22 PM, roig-rear...@comcast.net wrote: If you are in the middle of academic advisement perhaps this may useful to you: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-to-date.html :-) Miguel --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fbn=Tl=tipso=6114 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-6114-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tay...@sandiego.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a21b0n=Tl=tipso=6129 or send a blank email to leave-6129-13534.4204dc3a11678c6b1d0be57cfe0a2...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6131 or send a blank email to leave-6131-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School
Hi Sure ... it's not like the major problems of the world have to do with human behavior and culture rather than some lack of technological knowledge ... and just so Annette doesn't have any doubts, I am being sarcastic! Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Michael Smith tipsl...@gmail.com 31-Oct-10 12:00 PM Sounds good. It's about time the word got out that graduate school is a waste of time, especially in the social sciences and humanities. --Mike On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:22 PM, roig-rear...@comcast.net wrote: If you are in the middle of academic advisement perhaps this may useful to you: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-to-date.html :-) Miguel --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fbn=Tl=tipso=6114 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-6114-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=6129 or send a blank email to leave-6129-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6132 or send a blank email to leave-6132-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:26:09 -0700, Annette Taylor wrote in reponse to Prof. Michael Smith: Well, now that's an attitude that will generate job security for those of remaining in academia. But it won't do anything for students who really would like to aspire to become college professors! Or who just like life-long learning and knowledge generation. I saw no winky or other nonverbal cue that perhaps this was said tongue in cheek, so I am taking it at face value...perhaps I shouldn't. First, I think that Miguel was being ironic or simply humorous. Second, I think that Prof. Smith is not being ironic or humorous. One gets the impression that he is not happy with his career choices and his comments below reflect this attitude. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. Third, we should always be cautious in advising students about graduate school (it can be a difficult experience even for the smartest student -- perhaps because they are so smart) and the possibilities of a future career. Some will complete the Ph.D. and go on to academia or non-academic research careers or clinical practice/research or leave the field completely and go into some other endeavor. Where one winds up depends upon the opportunities that are available to them and what decisions one makes. It should be made clear that certain options (e.g., becoming a college professor) are likely to be limited to people who have gone to graduate school. If that is the choice one has made, then one will have to learn to live with it. The decision should be one's own and not made by someone else or to please someone else. Also, tt may have to be pointed out how boring it will be for others if one makes the decision to whine about their decisions that they have made, such as going to gradaute school and/or going into academia, which they now regret. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu On Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:00 AM, Michael Smith wrote in response to Miguel Roig: Sounds good. It's about time the word got out that graduate school is a waste of time, especially in the social sciences and humanities. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Miguel Roig wrote: If you are in the middle of academic advisement perhaps this may useful to you: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-to-date.html :-) --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6133 or send a blank email to leave-6133-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School
Mike Palij wrote in part in regard to the question of what we should tell our advisees who are contemplating grad school: Third, we should always be cautious in advising students about graduate school (it can be a difficult experience even for the smartest student -- perhaps because they are so smart) and the possibilities of a future career. When I served in an interim faculty member many years ago, one of the full-time faculty, who was talking about the candidates for admission that year that they used a double cut-off to make decisions about who they would review more carefully for admission to the program. When I asked him about it he said that there was obviously a lower level cut-off for students who were highly unlikely to be able to survive the rigors of a graduate program, and that the upper cut-off for students who would be too intelligent to put up with the BS part of the program. I don't know if he was telling the truth, but several other faculty agreed that what he said was true. I was young, then, and have believed that story to this very day. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6134 or send a blank email to leave-6134-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] 100 Reasons NOT to Go to Graduate School
I think everyone knows the truth contained in the list; except perhaps people who have been grandfathered ;-). If you want a better version try this one: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7451115/?ref=nf --Mike On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:26:09 -0700, Annette Taylor wrote in reponse to Prof. Michael Smith: Well, now that's an attitude that will generate job security for those of remaining in academia. But it won't do anything for students who really would like to aspire to become college professors! Or who just like life-long learning and knowledge generation. I saw no winky or other nonverbal cue that perhaps this was said tongue in cheek, so I am taking it at face value...perhaps I shouldn't. First, I think that Miguel was being ironic or simply humorous. Second, I think that Prof. Smith is not being ironic or humorous. One gets the impression that he is not happy with his career choices and his comments below reflect this attitude. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. Third, we should always be cautious in advising students about graduate school (it can be a difficult experience even for the smartest student -- perhaps because they are so smart) and the possibilities of a future career. Some will complete the Ph.D. and go on to academia or non-academic research careers or clinical practice/research or leave the field completely and go into some other endeavor. Where one winds up depends upon the opportunities that are available to them and what decisions one makes. It should be made clear that certain options (e.g., becoming a college professor) are likely to be limited to people who have gone to graduate school. If that is the choice one has made, then one will have to learn to live with it. The decision should be one's own and not made by someone else or to please someone else. Also, tt may have to be pointed out how boring it will be for others if one makes the decision to whine about their decisions that they have made, such as going to gradaute school and/or going into academia, which they now regret. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu On Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:00 AM, Michael Smith wrote in response to Miguel Roig: Sounds good. It's about time the word got out that graduate school is a waste of time, especially in the social sciences and humanities. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Miguel Roig wrote: If you are in the middle of academic advisement perhaps this may useful to you: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-to-date.html :-) --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fbn=Tl=tipso=6133 or send a blank email to leave-6133-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6136 or send a blank email to leave-6136-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
