Re: [TMIC] RE:THE STEM CELL POST FROM LAST WEEK

2006-03-05 Thread JHarper33




A few years ago there was a long and heated debate on the list 
about stem cells, and I certainly don't want to start that up again, but I feel 
I need to defend against charges of "ignorance" and not caring about people in 
pain and looking down on the disabled.My objection with stem cell research 
is the objection to using embryos, and I think that's the case with 
mostpeople whohave trouble with stem cell 
research. Believing that an embryo is a human life and not just a mass of cells, 
no matter how much pain I am in or how disabled I am, I couldn't think of ending 
that life to better my own any more than I could do my neighbor in to harvest 
his kidney. I think most peoplecan understand the logic of that, even if 
they disagree with it.

I saw a headline the other day about someone trying to pass a 
law to protect unborn babies, to prosecute someone who harms a woman in a way to 
endanger her unborn child. I thought, how sad it is that whether an unborn child 
is protected or not depends on whether it's wanted.

That said, though, I've seen some very promising studies about 
adult stem cells and stem cells in umbilical cord blood and that kind of thing. 
So, it's not the issue of stem cells themselves that there are problems with -- 
just the use of embryos for it.

Barbara H.


In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:04:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  our best hope of beating this thing just may possibly be stem cells,but 
  remember as long as the govt and the bleeding heart ignorant people who are 
  able to go on with their everyday lives and look down on us and do not have to 
  worry about the problems we face everyday have their hands in it,i dont think 
  youll see the therapy in our country for along time.or at least untill an 
  election year when promises are made but not kept.
   
jeff




Re: [TMIC] RE:THE STEM CELL POST FROM LAST WEEK

2006-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Barbara,

there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of embryos (up to age of 8 weeks, from 
therapeutic abortions) that are destined to be thrown away every day.  these 
early embryos are very small, but can be used to obtain embryonic stem cells.

Since the pope has told us that life begins at conception ( when the sperm meet 
the ovum, but often given the date of coitus), and since we know that ovums and 
sperm can survive from hours to days before conception either in the vagina, 
uterus and fallopian tubes. the sperm and ovum will die unless conception takes 
place

So it makes sense to criminalize puberty, the menstral cycle and masturbation, 
wet dreams, etc.- sexuality!!!

the only thing to do is to make sure that neither sperm or ova are allowed to 
die, ie, lots of coitus, unprotected from an early age, with resulting 
successful pregnancies, painful births and healthy happy babies, lots of them.

That is why the pope told us about life beginning at coitus, and if you are 
smart enough, you realize, life actually starts before coitus.

monty python had a skit about this years ago

pH



Re: [TMIC] RE:THE STEM CELL POST FROM LAST WEEK

2006-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
M.E.,

let me know when you have more info.

it's going to be hard to refrain.

pH