Re: And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good bye...

[Bojan Smojver]

Quoting Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good
> bye...

Pier, my apologies for the Sun related e-mail on the list today. If I only knew,
I would never have sent it.

:-((

I wish you all the best in your future undertakings and I really hope you'll
stick around Jakarta because I'm sure your work is appreciated by all.

Bojan

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RE: And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good bye...

[GOMEZ Henri]

If Sun fire such talentuous developper, shouldn't we
be worried about the Company Situation ? 

It's the second people from Sun working on Tomcat's,
after Costin, who leave the company. 

May be it's better for OpenSource to have people like
them outside big company and sus avoiding political 
problems.

All in one, Pier stay on OSS and Apache and that's 
important point...


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>-Original Message-
>From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:23 AM
>To: Pier Fumagalli
>Subject: And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and
>good bye...
>
>
>One year, three months and five days. It definitely didn't 
>last long, or not
>as long as I would have expected, or as long as I would have 
>liked it. What?
>Oh, I believe you noticed it already: effective today I'm no 
>longer a Sun
>Microsystems employee...
>
>Well folks, it has been a long and wild ride (quoting a friend 
>of mine who
>was in more or less the same position as I am right now some 
>months ago),
>but as all rides, you pay your toll, you get some fun, and 
>then, the ride is
>over... I believe you all heard about that Sun Microsystems 
>was having its
>first roll of layoffs ever, and from what I was told, my 
>situation (working
>in London, employed in Dublin, and with my team in Santa 
>Clara) was in a
>very dangerous position. And when managers had to come off 
>with a name for
>my team, well, my name was an easy pick :)
>
>No hard feelings though. I still think that Sun is a great 
>place to work at,
>most of my heroes are all still there (sigh!) from James 
>Gosling to Joshua
>Bloch (some others have gone) and a bunch of friends are still working
>there. It's a good company, overall, maybe sometimes it takes 
>them some time
>to understand how open source works (not that I know much 
>about it), but
>most of the times, at the end, they get it right... And I 
>mean, who never
>made a mistake or two in their lives?
>
>I just think that the projects I was dealing with (native and 
>web-server
>integration with Tomcat) were not enough to justify my 
>"displaced" situation
>(it's somehow weird when you have to attend to a phone meeting 
>at 11 PM! :)
>but I was prepared, I smelled it from quite some time, and I got my
>confirmation today.
>
>What does it mean for me? Well, somehow, it means a lot. It 
>means that all
>you folks who were waiting for my return in California will 
>have to wait for
>quite some time now, more than the planned six months, I don't have the
>strength at the moment to chase another visa, to start it all 
>over again.
>I'll settle down here in London (it's a nice town when it 
>doesn't rain), I
>have a good number of friends, clubs are nice, and my cats are 
>getting used
>to the upcoming cold winter. But no more of sunny California 
>for quite a
>long time, no more rides on my brand new Suzuki GSX-1300R on 
>Highway 1, no
>more skiing in Tahoe, no more cheap ADSL and large bandwidth 
>access. Oh,
>well, I'll survive.
>
>What does that mean in terms of my involvement with the Apache Software
>Foundation, the Jakarta Project, Tomcat, and so on? Nothing. Nothing
>changes, I've been around here for a reasonable amount of 
>years now, and I
>am planning to stick around for a lot more to come. The only 
>thing changing
>is that I got back my independence, I got back my status of 
>"open source
>developer" for real, and if someone asks me that one of the 
>projects I'm
>working on doesn't run on my "favorite" platform (Windows), I 
>can just say,
>go ahead, fix it yourself, I don't care.
>
>How I see it? I traded my independence as an open source 
>developer with my
>dream of living in a place I love, I traded my salary for a 
>lump of more
>freedom. The only thing I somehow regret, is that this time I 
>didn't have
>the power of choice, but I accept it, and frankly, I'm not sad 
>about what
>happened...
>
>So, from now on, Pier is me. It means that what I think, what 
>I say or what
>I do is because of some strange plot at Sun. My wickedness is 
>only mine, and
>it's going to be like that for quite some time (get ready :)...
>
>And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and 
>good bye...
>
>Pier (and his two independent cats: Sharon and Becky)
>
>
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RE: And in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good bye...

[Sam Ruby]

Henri Gomez wrote:
>
> May be it's better for OpenSource to have people like
> them outside big company and sus avoiding political
> problems.

Pier worked for IBM.  Pier worked for Exoffice.  Pier worked for Sun.

IMHO, it is best for OpenSource to view Pier based on the code he has
contributed and how he fits into the community, and not based on who he
accepts a pay check from this week.

- Sam Ruby


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