RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Morrison, John wrote: > Would/could this be implemented as a web context with (possibly) some > 'administration' flag set in it's context that way, if you didn't want to > have a GUI (security?) you could just remove the context? > My thinking to date has been that we should support multiple faces (webapp, SOAP-based, perhaps Jini and/or RMI) that talks to the same "business logic" underneath, so that people could choose different integration approaches to meet their needs. WRT shipping as a webapp, the current Tomcat 4 "manager" application is shipped with a security constraint that requires role "manager", but there are no such users in the default usernames database (i.e. you have to explicitly add one). If we trust container-managed security, I don't see much need for a separate "administrative application" flag in the configuration. > Just my 2p worth ;) > Craig > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 23:13 > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface > > > > It would be very good at this stage to go back 1 1/2 years in tomcat > archives and re-read the "admin" thread. It was a huge discussion, with > many ideas - but nothing happened. > > As usual, my opinion is that you should start with a prototype and/or > existing code - and figure out what is the best way to do it by trying > different aproaches. > > Costin > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Eric Anderson wrote: > > > Count me in on working on an admin interface for Tomcat. This along with > a > > better install/connector config program would go a long way to improve the > > overall usability of Tomcat for me. > > > > Having had experience working on server product GUIs, the plan to decide > > what goes into the GUI before starting the project is definitely the best > > way to go. Even though there is a considerable amount of planning and > > discussion that goes into the GUI requirements sheet, in the end it is > > easier to deny unreasonable requests like, "we have this new functionality > > two weeks before the release can you incorporate it into the admin > > interface?", or "I'd like the GUI to wash and wax my car." A hard and > fast > > list of GUI features for each release is essential to keeping the GUI > > project manageable > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > > > > That would be awesome! > > > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > > but I thought I should email this list before > > > contacting him directly. > > > > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > > lately. > > > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > === > Information in this email and any attachments are confidential, and may > not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor disclosed > to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to > create any legally binding contract or other commitment through the use > of this email. > > Experian Limited (registration number 653331). > Registered office: Talbot House, Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5HF >
RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Morrison, John wrote: > Would/could this be implemented as a web context with (possibly) some > 'administration' flag set in it's context that way, if you didn't want to > have a GUI (security?) you could just remove the context? This is how it is implemented today in tomcat 3.x. It has some nice features already - you can use it to deploy/undeploy apps, see informations about the server, run watchdog and tests ( from a web interface, no more command line and class path hacking ). What's missing the most is a nice look and improvement in the presentation part, and maybe other pages. We are using simple JSP pages, with few special taglibs to allow access to the internals. ( the development was mostly driven by need to have a convenient way to test and check internal state - there are few pages that still need to be checked in, the auth admin and few more state info, but right now I'm overloaded ) Costin > > Just my 2p worth ;) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 23:13 > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface > > > > It would be very good at this stage to go back 1 1/2 years in tomcat > archives and re-read the "admin" thread. It was a huge discussion, with > many ideas - but nothing happened. > > As usual, my opinion is that you should start with a prototype and/or > existing code - and figure out what is the best way to do it by trying > different aproaches. > > Costin > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Eric Anderson wrote: > > > Count me in on working on an admin interface for Tomcat. This along with > a > > better install/connector config program would go a long way to improve the > > overall usability of Tomcat for me. > > > > Having had experience working on server product GUIs, the plan to decide > > what goes into the GUI before starting the project is definitely the best > > way to go. Even though there is a considerable amount of planning and > > discussion that goes into the GUI requirements sheet, in the end it is > > easier to deny unreasonable requests like, "we have this new functionality > > two weeks before the release can you incorporate it into the admin > > interface?", or "I'd like the GUI to wash and wax my car." A hard and > fast > > list of GUI features for each release is essential to keeping the GUI > > project manageable > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > > > > That would be awesome! > > > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > > but I thought I should email this list before > > > contacting him directly. > > > > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > > lately. > > > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > === > Information in this email and any attachments are confidential, and may > not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor disclosed > to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to > create any legally binding contract or other commitment through the use > of this email. > > Experian Limited (registration number 653331). > Registered office: Talbot House, Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5HF >
RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
Would/could this be implemented as a web context with (possibly) some 'administration' flag set in it's context that way, if you didn't want to have a GUI (security?) you could just remove the context? Just my 2p worth ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 23:13 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface It would be very good at this stage to go back 1 1/2 years in tomcat archives and re-read the "admin" thread. It was a huge discussion, with many ideas - but nothing happened. As usual, my opinion is that you should start with a prototype and/or existing code - and figure out what is the best way to do it by trying different aproaches. Costin On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Eric Anderson wrote: > Count me in on working on an admin interface for Tomcat. This along with a > better install/connector config program would go a long way to improve the > overall usability of Tomcat for me. > > Having had experience working on server product GUIs, the plan to decide > what goes into the GUI before starting the project is definitely the best > way to go. Even though there is a considerable amount of planning and > discussion that goes into the GUI requirements sheet, in the end it is > easier to deny unreasonable requests like, "we have this new functionality > two weeks before the release can you incorporate it into the admin > interface?", or "I'd like the GUI to wash and wax my car." A hard and fast > list of GUI features for each release is essential to keeping the GUI > project manageable > > My 2 cents. > > Eric > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Craig > === Information in this email and any attachments are confidential, and may not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor disclosed to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to create any legally binding contract or other commitment through the use of this email. Experian Limited (registration number 653331). Registered office: Talbot House, Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5HF
RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
It would be very good at this stage to go back 1 1/2 years in tomcat archives and re-read the "admin" thread. It was a huge discussion, with many ideas - but nothing happened. As usual, my opinion is that you should start with a prototype and/or existing code - and figure out what is the best way to do it by trying different aproaches. Costin On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Eric Anderson wrote: > Count me in on working on an admin interface for Tomcat. This along with a > better install/connector config program would go a long way to improve the > overall usability of Tomcat for me. > > Having had experience working on server product GUIs, the plan to decide > what goes into the GUI before starting the project is definitely the best > way to go. Even though there is a considerable amount of planning and > discussion that goes into the GUI requirements sheet, in the end it is > easier to deny unreasonable requests like, "we have this new functionality > two weeks before the release can you incorporate it into the admin > interface?", or "I'd like the GUI to wash and wax my car." A hard and fast > list of GUI features for each release is essential to keeping the GUI > project manageable > > My 2 cents. > > Eric > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Craig >
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
"Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > Sounds good. Have you considered using SOAP to implement Tomcat admin transactions? Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | /* Spelin donut madder| MOREnet System Programming | * if iz ina coment. | Missouri Research and Education Network | */ | --
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
Exactly what I had hoped for, Craig. I'll keep an eye on the list. Thanks! Matt --- "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Craig > __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/
RE: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
Count me in on working on an admin interface for Tomcat. This along with a better install/connector config program would go a long way to improve the overall usability of Tomcat for me. Having had experience working on server product GUIs, the plan to decide what goes into the GUI before starting the project is definitely the best way to go. Even though there is a considerable amount of planning and discussion that goes into the GUI requirements sheet, in the end it is easier to deny unreasonable requests like, "we have this new functionality two weeks before the release can you incorporate it into the admin interface?", or "I'd like the GUI to wash and wax my car." A hard and fast list of GUI features for each release is essential to keeping the GUI project manageable My 2 cents. Eric On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > Hello All, > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > am particularly interested in helping to build an > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > That would be awesome! > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > but I thought I should email this list before > contacting him directly. > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him lately. As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > Thanks, > Matt > Craig
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
"Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > +1 Sounds good to me. :-) Amy > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Craig
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
And following on this topic. Following brief conversations during JavaOne with Craig, Costin, Remy, I began thinking of developing some code (base in my past experience in embedding Tomcat and subsequently 'advertising' my container through Jini) that would allow to 'publish' the existence of Tomcat instances in distributed environments. The list of APIs that this could apply to includes but is not limited to: Jini - would allow to have an RMI-based administrative interface SLP - to expose a service interface through the Service Locator Protocol JXTA - similar to the above, using the JXTA infrastructure and APIs >From the perspective of my own experience, I have an initial implementation of the first one (the one for the StorEdge embedding of Tomcat), while the two others would force to develop a lot more code, since the support infrastructure is not there yet (for JXTA at least, to my understanding). -- In any case, if such contributions are deemed useful, there would be a need to define the administrative service interface that Tomcat requires, to be implemented by the Jini/JXTA/SLP service(s). -- What do you think ? Arieh PS - I forgot to mention a J2EE interface to manage Tomcat, which probably fits the view of those in the J2EE world. > Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm > Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Sender: craigmcc@localhost > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > > am particularly interested in helping to build an > > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > > > > That would be awesome! > > > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > > but I thought I should email this list before > > contacting him directly. > > > > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him > lately. > > As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements > for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be > finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Craig -- Arieh Markel Sun Microsystems Inc. Network Storage500 Eldorado Blvd. MS UBRM11-194 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broomfield, CO 80021 Pray for snow Phone: (303) 272-8547 x78547 (e-mail me with subject SEND PUBLIC KEY to get public key)
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
Quoting "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [...] > > What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree > on > a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, > and > then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal > than > the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the > long > run. Does that sound like a useful plan? Sounds good, +1! ..bip
Re: Tomcat Admin Web Interface
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, M B wrote: > Hello All, > > In response to the recent postings regarding Tomcat > documentation and administration (Re: ~rant~ Docs, > user list, etc.), I am willing to contribute much > effort in this area. In addition to documentation, I > am particularly interested in helping to build an > administrative web interface for Tomcat 4.0, something > similar to JRun Management Console, for example. > That would be awesome! > Naturally, I want to coordinate my efforts with the > Tomcat community. Can anyone please point out where I > should begin, or who I should contact? Is there a > project for this? The Catalina TODO identifies John > Shin as volunteer for producing an admin interface, > but I thought I should email this list before > contacting him directly. > He volunteered long, long, ago but I haven't heard anything from him lately. As it happens, I've been accumulating a list of functional requirements for admin capabilities that I'd like to post for discussion. I'll be finished with what I'm thinking in the next couple of days. What I'd like to see us do on issues like this is to discuss and agree on a functional specs document that is checked in to the CVS repository, and then start working together on the pieces. It's a little more formal than the usual :-) open source approach, but I think it will help in the long run. Does that sound like a useful plan? > Thanks, > Matt > Craig
