RE: Why should I use Tomcat vs .NET?
Chris, Your $450 statement is not quite correct, rather $450 per desk Huge difference even for a company. What is true however, is the learning curve and most importantly the use of "low grade staff" as you put it. That has always been MS's key to success and that is what is needed for open systems to gain popularity among the general populus. Regards Johan Kok > -Original Message- > From: Walker Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 October 2003 10:59 > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: Why should I use Tomcat vs .NET? > > > Chuck, > > I agree with most of what you say except for your point about software > purchase costs. > > While $450 is a lot for an individual to find, for a company > the purchase > cost of software is trivial compared to the cost of learning > to use it. I > don't know what contract rates are like in San Diego, but I > bet it wouldn't > take an employer long to burn $450. > > A new technology that's easy to learn is always attractive from the > employers' point of view - they don't need to spend a lot on > training and > they can use relatively low-grade staff. That's why the > appalling VB was > such a success, but I don't think .NET is that easy to learn > - unless you're > already a Java developer! > > Chris > > > -Original Message- > From: Goehring, Chuck Mr., RCI - San Diego > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 October 2003 20:31 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: Why should I use Tomcat vs .NET? > > > Eduardo, > > A couple interesting points involves myself and my coworker. > He has about > ten years of VB programming experience. None of his code can > be migrated to > vb.net without major rewriting because there is no semblance > of backward > compatibility. It wouldn't be practical for the customer to > pay him to > convert the app to dot.net, so he's stuck in 1998. All the > VB programmers > have been screwed by Microsoft this way. > > With me, I've been doing Java and perl for about 6 years. > Because of the > contracting environment I'm in, it looked like my work was > going to dry up. > An opportunity came along for me within the company. They > wanted to do ASP > 2.0 web development because they had to meet a variety of government > requirements and ASP had been approved for use. Thinking I > was going to > have to do that project, I checked into it. Firstly, the ASP > code they were > going to write is totally incompatible with ASP.net, so it > was going down a > dead path. To cover all the bases, I did some research into > upgrading my > copy of Visual C++ 6.0 to Visual Studio.net. MS wanted $450 for the > upgrade. That's a lot for me to fork over to start over with > a completely > different system that has limited uses. Fortunately, I > didn't have to go > that route, but it came close. > > Comparing that to continuing with Tomcat and Eclipse or > NetBeans or JCreator > (free version), I can't see why anyone would choose to go the > dot.net route. > MS has also done a powerplay on the folks that use Frontpage > Extensions. > The Frontpage 200x now requires that you subscribe to a service from > Microsoft to enable important features of the product. It is > a lot like > extortion. > > I like using the free products because I can dump any of them > at any time > without feeling guilty about wasting the company's money. > Once you spend > thousands to use a proprietary product, you may never be able > to escape. I > still have to support an ancient Developer 2000 product that can't be > cost-effectively be migrated to a newer version and has all kinds of > compatibility issues when used with newer products. > > Chuck > > > -Original Message- > From: Eduardo Vazquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: Why should i use Tomcat vs .NET? > > > Up front I do need to say that the support of this user > group has > been more than outstanding. I was a sole person looking for help and I > received more than I could have expected, and for that thanks to all. > Eventually I have lost the war; my CTO has decided on a new > technology on > his lonesome and has hinted that any effort expended moving > forward won't > result in any reconsideration of his decision (so much for > standards and not > putting all your eggs in one basket) Again, I've learned much > from all those > who have replied to my request and hope that others have > learnt a little > sumthi
RE: Can any one tell where is a simple Tomcat + IIS how to using Coyote/JK2 AJP 1.3?
QUick try -- Load apache with these and get that to work. After that switch back to IIS. > -Original Message- > From: Antony Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 October 2003 12:53 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Can any one tell where is a simple Tomcat + IIS how to using > Coyote/JK2 AJP 1.3? > > > Hi all, > I tried configuring Tomcat 4.1.27 + IIS 5.0 using JK > connector(isapi_redirector.dll) as per the documentation on > the onjava.com > (http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2002/12/18/tomcat.html). > But failed. > Thinking that it may be a problem with DLL I went to download > it again. But > no bianry version of it is availble at the site jakarta download site. > Currently only Coyote JK2(isapi_redirector2.dll) is provided. > So I tried > with JK2 again no result and IIS shows it is not loading the > DLL in the > filter(There is a red down arrow). > > Antony Paul > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: help me !
which versions have you got -- Just get the latest of both and you won't need anything to integrate the two Remember to get the windows versions. > -Original Message- > From: meyem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 October 2003 08:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: help me ! > > > i want , to download a module for integrat tomcat to apache , > but i don't found where i must download. > please can you help me. > this a module ,which i want doxnload : > webapps for windows who content two files : > libapr.dll > mod_webapp.so > > thank . > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer
I've been monitoring this stream of curiousness, but now that the questions is out, it became awfully quite or did my server decide to take a nap? tsktsk Challenge who's got the answerThere's a job waiting... If you don't know the answer, have a quick peek at the manuals (RTFM) hehehehe... > -Original Message- > From: Ruben Gamez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 October 2003 10:33 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > Ok... here's two questions... > > 1. Off the top of your head, what two methods are required in > a Servlet? > What two parameters do they take? > > 2. What does a Servlet extend? > > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Curwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 4:30 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > As off-topic as it is, I'm sure lots of us are *real* curious by now > what an example question would be on your 'simple test'. :) > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ruben Gamez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:23 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: RE: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm only asking for 1 1/2+ years experience in JSP > > & Servlets and I'm still having trouble. I was asking for > > ColdFusion as well, but I've given up on that. I'll just > > have to train the new developer on CF later on. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 4:15 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > I agree. I worked for a place that listed C++ in all there > > job listings, > > > > but there was not one line of C in the whole company. I > asked who was > > programming C, but they didn't know what I was talking about. LOL > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Justin A. Stanczak > > Web Manager > > Shake Learning Resource Center > > Vincennes University > > (812)888-5813 > > > > > > > > > > "John B. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 10/17/2003 03:10 PM > > Please respond to "Tomcat Users List" > > > > > > To: Tomcat Users List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject:Re: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > > > Yeah, and those of "us" that do have the credentials get > lost in the > > "forest". (Not to mention the observation that many of these "job > > postings" want the person to have x years of experience in > > 6-7 different > > > > areas, mostly unrelated and the total "experience" years > exceeds most > > normal human's productive lifespans, even accounting for reasonable > > "overlap"...) > > > > John.. > > > > Hart, Justin wrote: > > > > >That's what I've found. The market is full of tech > workers, but that > > doesn't mean that they're a programmer, or as familiar with > > technology X > > > > (for position Y) as they should be. I went to a job fair a > > couple years > > > > ago for 4 job opennings, 2 for programmers. 2 for techs. > > 1000 people > > showed up, and I spoke with only 4-5 that I really thought > > qualified for > > > > the programming jobs or had credentials that showed that they > > qualified > > for the job. > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Ruben Gamez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:57 PM > > >To: Tomcat Users List > > >Subject: RE: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > > > > > >I would think so, but it's true. I've gotten several people that > > >interview well, but none that can pass a couple of simple tests (I > > >consider them simple). > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: epyonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:55 PM > > >To: Tomcat Users List > > >Subject: Re: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > > >Cannot find anyone?!?!?! It is rather hard to believe based > > on current > > >job > > >market. > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Ruben Gamez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 02:33 PM > > >Subject: Java/JSP/Servlet Programmer > > > > > > > > >I'm looking for an experienced JSP/Servlet programmer > located in our > > >area. We're located in West Palm Beach, FL. We've tried > posting the > > >Job on Monster, and looking for candidates on there, but > still cannot > > >find someone that can do the job. > > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EM
RE: newbie: servlet examples work, jsp not
JAVA_HOME or Java_Home --- I'm not usre if it makes a difference on the Windows environment, but under Unix it definitely does. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 October 2003 12:36 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: newbie: servlet examples work, jsp not > > > hello, > > i am working in windows xp. i have the jsdk 1.4.1 installed. > i also installed > apache2 and tomcat 4.1 as described in the HowTo: > http://www.gregoire.org/howto/Apache2_Jk2_TC4.1.x_JSDK1.4.x.html > > after installation, i wanted to try the examples at > http://localhost/examples. > the servlet examples work, but the jsp examples not. i get > the following > error: > > org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to compile class for JSP > > An error occurred at line: -1 in the jsp file: null > > Generated servlet error: > [javac] Compiling 1 source file > > and in the logs i have: > > Unable to find a javac compiler; > com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. > Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK > > But my Java_Home does point to c:\j2sdk1.4.1 > and my classpath does point to c:\j2sdk1.4.1\lib\tools.jar > > So, what am i making wrong? thank you in > advance. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Design advice needed.
Anthony, Did you consider reading the record without locks, and when an updated are made, to take a write-lock, check that the original record are still the same and then apply, otherwise fail. Your intentions might not work unless all writes are passed through the container, as Oracle will not have any control, until a write occurs, i.e. you will have to open with read only, and only take out a lock when you are going to write, as described above. for safety sake your container will have to re-read the data in any case, before commiting, otherwise it may update changed data, e.g. updates that are made through other processes or even triggers. If my memory serves me right, that is something you can do easily with Oracle (i.e. there's a standard feature implemented), even with Oracle 6/7. > -Original Message- > From: Antony Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 November 2003 08:36 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Design advice needed. > > > Hi all, > I need a replacement for row level locking in database. > The requirement > is if two users are updating the same row of a table only the user who > updates first will be made to database second user must get a failed > message. This can be done using row level locking. But it > allows only one > user to open page for editing at same time. If another user > has locked the > row then second user cannot lock the same row or update it. > So I want to > implement locking in Container. Is there any design patterns > available for > this. Or have anyone implemented this. I am using Tomcat > 4.1,Servlets JSP > and Oracle 8i. The application is using MVC pattern but do > not use Struts. > > Antony Paul > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Design advice needed.
Wish I could, it's been eight years since I was did any DBA/DB development work. Either go to the manual, or contact a oracle list. > -Original Message- > From: Antony Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 November 2003 09:10 > To: Tomcat Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Design advice needed. > > > Can u pls mention what is that Oracle feature ?. Reading the > data again is > time consuming. > - Original Message - > From: "Johan Kok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:17 PM > Subject: RE: Design advice needed. > > > > Anthony, > > > > Did you consider reading the record without locks, and when > an updated are > > made, to take a write-lock, check that the original record > are still the > > same and then apply, otherwise fail. > > > > Your intentions might not work unless all writes are passed > through the > > container, as Oracle will not have any control, until a > write occurs, i.e. > > you will have to open with read only, and only take out a > lock when you > are > > going to write, as described above. for safety sake your > container will > have > > to re-read the data in any case, before commiting, > otherwise it may update > > changed data, e.g. updates that are made through other > processes or even > > triggers. > > > > If my memory serves me right, that is something you can do > easily with > > Oracle (i.e. there's a standard feature implemented), even > with Oracle > 6/7. > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Antony Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 03 November 2003 08:36 > > > To: Tomcat Users List > > > Subject: Design advice needed. > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I need a replacement for row level locking in database. > > > The requirement > > > is if two users are updating the same row of a table only > the user who > > > updates first will be made to database second user must > get a failed > > > message. This can be done using row level locking. But it > > > allows only one > > > user to open page for editing at same time. If another user > > > has locked the > > > row then second user cannot lock the same row or update it. > > > So I want to > > > implement locking in Container. Is there any design patterns > > > available for > > > this. Or have anyone implemented this. I am using Tomcat > > > 4.1,Servlets JSP > > > and Oracle 8i. The application is using MVC pattern but do > > > not use Struts. > > > > > > Antony Paul > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
