Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
I'm curious to know if there are a lot of people out there running Tomcat in standalone mode versus using it with Apache Web Server or some other Web server? Previously, I've been using it with Apache Web server on Solaris 8 with mod_jk. However, as of version 4, it seems like it's pretty stable and it seems to be getting sufficiently robust. So, I'm planning on running it in standalone mode. Everything seems to be working fine. I'm wondering if using it with Apache Web Server really makes that much difference in terms of performance? My Web application isn't taking a massive amount of hits, so, I think I should be OK. I was just curious what others are doing. Jon
RE: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
> I'm curious to know if there are a lot of people out there > running Tomcat in > standalone mode versus using it with Apache Web Server or some other Web > server? If every single page in your site is a JSP, I've always thought that you would have diminished performance if you added Apache? Something I've thought but never verified... But Apache might be a good buffer between lots of incoming connections and Java? Anyway, if all you have is dynamic content (JSP and servlets), then you will only suffer a performance hit on the provision of images and javascript files. For personal sites, I would run standalone. It's less of a hassle to configure and maintain. - r
RE: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rob S. wrote: > files. For personal sites, I would run standalone. It's less of a hassle > to configure and maintain. and run tomcat as root or run a squid accelerator?
RE: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Dmitri Colebatch wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rob S. wrote: > > files. For personal sites, I would run standalone. It's less of a hassle > > to configure and maintain. > > and run tomcat as root or run a squid accelerator? > > > With Tomcat 4 you won't have to run as root to use port 80. Thus the only technical reason (leaving aside performance for the moment) is if your application requires other functionality that is built in to Apache but not Tomcat). Personally, all the web apps I've ever written are nearly totally dynamic content, so running with Apache wouldn't help. Even when there is lots of static content, consider the fact that web browsers cache pages, and send an "If-Modified-Since" header on subsequent requests for the same static resource. If Tomcat 4 has ever served a particular static resource before, it can answer with a "Not Modified" response with zero disk accesses. Thus, if your static resources are repetitively accessed (by the same user), any performance difference between Apache and Tomcat is *totally* irrelevant after the first request. The bottom line - don't believe *anything* you read about whether it is faster one way or the other, until you've tried *your* application both ways. The old conventional wisdom is not universally accurate any more. Craig
RE: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > With Tomcat 4 you won't have to run as root to use port 80. Thus the only > technical reason (leaving aside performance for the moment) is if your > application requires other functionality that is built in to Apache but > not Tomcat). ok - if this is too OT then tell me now and I'll stop, but... my understanding is that tc4 will start in a similar way to how apache starts? using some native code? I run tc3.2 as part of jboss, and so the startup is controlled by jboss... I'm assuming that precludes any of the new options that are used by tc4? cheesr dim
Re: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
Craig R. McClanahan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Dmitri Colebatch wrote: > >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Rob S. wrote: >>> files. For personal sites, I would run standalone. It's less of a hassle >>> to configure and maintain. >> >> and run tomcat as root or run a squid accelerator? >> >> >> > With Tomcat 4 you won't have to run as root to use port 80. Thus the only > technical reason (leaving aside performance for the moment) is if your > application requires other functionality that is built in to Apache but > not Tomcat). Even in stand alone mode, there _will_ be a JVM wrapper allowing to run non-as-root and bind to port 80 (you can try it out, it's in the jakarta-tomcat-service CVS repo)... Or, you can use mod_webapp and Apache :) Pier
Re: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
I have been running Tomcat 3.2.x standalone on Windows NT for about six months and have never had a problem. Our applications are totally dynamic except for a few image files, so I don't think Apache would help. As far as reliability goes, at least on NT, it seems that using both Apache and Tomcat together is less reliable as there is one more thing to go wrong. We have another server running this combination, and it has had to be restarted at least twice, whereas the standalone just works. (of course it could have been an NT problem ...) As far as ease of use, count how many questions on this list are about configuring Tomcat with Apache :-) Hope this helps, Jim --- Jonathan Eric Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious to know if there are a lot of people out there running > Tomcat in > standalone mode versus using it with Apache Web Server or some other > Web > server? > > Previously, I've been using it with Apache Web server on Solaris 8 > with > mod_jk. However, as of version 4, it seems like it's pretty stable > and it > seems to be getting sufficiently robust. So, I'm planning on running > it in > standalone mode. Everything seems to be working fine. > > I'm wondering if using it with Apache Web Server really makes that > much > difference in terms of performance? My Web application isn't taking a > massive amount of hits, so, I think I should be OK. I was just > curious what > others are doing. > > Jon > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
RE: Are many people running Tomcat 4 in standalone mode?
Hi, > From: Jonathan Eric Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:27 AM > > I'm curious to know if there are a lot of people out there > running Tomcat in > standalone mode versus using it with Apache Web Server or some other Web > server? > > Previously, I've been using it with Apache Web server on Solaris 8 with > mod_jk. However, as of version 4, it seems like it's pretty stable and it > seems to be getting sufficiently robust. So, I'm planning on running it in > standalone mode. Everything seems to be working fine. > > I'm wondering if using it with Apache Web Server really makes that much > difference in terms of performance? My Web application isn't taking a > massive amount of hits, so, I think I should be OK. I was just > curious what > others are doing. I'm using Tomcat 4.0 b6 stand-alone, I don't see any performance problems on low-to-medium load sites (about a dozen) accessed both from internet and from 10mbit lan. > Jon Greetings, deacon Marcus