[ERR] Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

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Most of the Wrox titles have been picked up by Wiley and Apress (Wrox 
liquidated earlier this year), so its possible the books will be closer 
to what you prefer when the second printing comes around.

John

Collins, Jim wrote:

I wish Wrox would bind the books the same way as O'Reilly though.

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You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an excellent
book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no writer
on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.  The
Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.
By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good as
well.  =)



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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-30 Thread Me
Well, everyone else is right. assuming that you have some experience with
http servers in general, you dont need a big fat manual for tomcat. but in
case, you are new to web techs altogether, probably Oreilly Tomcat will give
you a helping hand
good luck

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 As a Wrox author, I have to tell you that your overall impression is
 incorrect.  Books are like anything else: sometimes you think they're
 great, sometimes you think they're not.

 To make a sweeping generalization is, in my mind, illogical.

 John

 Tony LaPaso wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read
that
  the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my
overall
  impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
  they're printed on.
 
  I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I
was
  also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a
nice to
  have.
 
  Any suggestions?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
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RE: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-30 Thread Eric J. Pinnell
You're right,I guess you can always use it to prop your monitor up.  :)

-e

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Aggarwal, Gautam (IE03) wrote:

 Can a book ever be 'Pure Garbage'? Please think about it!

 Gautam

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 First, as I said, my comment about the Wrox books was a generalization.
 There's nothing illogical about making generalizations.

 The Wrox books I've seen were pure garbage. When I'm at the bookstore now I
 don't even bother to browse those big red books, knowing my effort will
 probably be a waste of time. I usually stick with O'Reilly and Manning.
 Perhaps Wrox's quality has improved and I should browse them again.

 As for what I'm looking for -- basically, Tomcat Admin. There are other
 books that teach servlets/JSPs/JSTL/XML, etc. I'm interested in all aspects
 of using TC from an admin's point of view and from a programmer's point of
 view. I guess that's another generalization. :)

 Specifically, setting up TC, using it w/Apache and IIS, TC Security,
 clustering TC servers, setting up JNDI resources. I suspect any good TC book
 will have a good deal of overlap w/the servlet spec v2.4 which is fine.

 I know several books cover these topics (and others) but as I said, I was
 hoping to get some recommendations on the best ones. Perhaps the Wrox one
 is the best.

 Thanks very much for all the input. I really appreciate everyone taking the
 time to write.

 Tony





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 Subject: Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2


 
  What, exactly is it that you want to know?
 
  You say I want a Tomcat book but then you say I don't want anything
  about servlets.  So what is it you want?  An admin reference (the Wrox
  book is focused that way)?  A performance tuning book?  People can't
  answer you or help you unless you are specific!
 
  Do you have specific questions?  Have you asked them here or on
  tomcat-dev?  Why wait for a book?  You have access to the people who are
  actually writing Tomcat and using Tomcat in heavy-duty production
  situations right here, right now.
 
  John
 
  Tony LaPaso wrote:
 
   Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
   specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books
 I've
   seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
   programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that
 extra
   fat.
  
   Thanks again...
  
  
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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-30 Thread John Turner
I don't buy many books any more, but AFAIK the Wrox book is the only 
Tomcat book targeted towards setup and administration.

I know for a fact there are at least two books due out before the end of 
the year that should supersede the Wrox book.  The Wrox book was 
published in mid-2002, and there's been a lot of activity on Tomcat since.

Don't judge a book by its cover. ;)

John

Tony LaPaso wrote:

First, as I said, my comment about the Wrox books was a generalization.
There's nothing illogical about making generalizations.
The Wrox books I've seen were pure garbage. When I'm at the bookstore now I
don't even bother to browse those big red books, knowing my effort will
probably be a waste of time. I usually stick with O'Reilly and Manning.
Perhaps Wrox's quality has improved and I should browse them again.
As for what I'm looking for -- basically, Tomcat Admin. There are other
books that teach servlets/JSPs/JSTL/XML, etc. I'm interested in all aspects
of using TC from an admin's point of view and from a programmer's point of
view. I guess that's another generalization. :)
Specifically, setting up TC, using it w/Apache and IIS, TC Security,
clustering TC servers, setting up JNDI resources. I suspect any good TC book
will have a good deal of overlap w/the servlet spec v2.4 which is fine.
I know several books cover these topics (and others) but as I said, I was
hoping to get some recommendations on the best ones. Perhaps the Wrox one
is the best.
Thanks very much for all the input. I really appreciate everyone taking the
time to write.
Tony





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What, exactly is it that you want to know?

You say I want a Tomcat book but then you say I don't want anything
about servlets.  So what is it you want?  An admin reference (the Wrox
book is focused that way)?  A performance tuning book?  People can't
answer you or help you unless you are specific!
Do you have specific questions?  Have you asked them here or on
tomcat-dev?  Why wait for a book?  You have access to the people who are
actually writing Tomcat and using Tomcat in heavy-duty production
situations right here, right now.
John

Tony LaPaso wrote:


Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books
I've

seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that
extra

fat.

Thanks again...

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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread John Turner
As a Wrox author, I have to tell you that your overall impression is 
incorrect.  Books are like anything else: sometimes you think they're 
great, sometimes you think they're not.

To make a sweeping generalization is, in my mind, illogical.

John

Tony LaPaso wrote:

Hi all,

Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read that
the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
they're printed on.
I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice to
have.
Any suggestions?

Thanks.



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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-29 Thread John Turner
Eric J. Pinnell wrote:

Of course it's getting more and more out of date as we speak.  I think
Tomcat 6 will be out before a decent Tomcat 5 book hits the shelves.
Not if I have anything to say about it. :)

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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-29 Thread John Turner
What, exactly is it that you want to know?

You say I want a Tomcat book but then you say I don't want anything 
about servlets.  So what is it you want?  An admin reference (the Wrox 
book is focused that way)?  A performance tuning book?  People can't 
answer you or help you unless you are specific!

Do you have specific questions?  Have you asked them here or on 
tomcat-dev?  Why wait for a book?  You have access to the people who are 
actually writing Tomcat and using Tomcat in heavy-duty production 
situations right here, right now.

John

Tony LaPaso wrote:

Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books I've
seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that extra
fat.
Thanks again...

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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread epyonne
You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an excellent
book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no writer
on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.  The
Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.

By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good as
well.  =)


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Subject: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???


 Hi all,

 Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read
that
 the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
 impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
 they're printed on.

 I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
 also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice
to
 have.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks.



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RE: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread Collins, Jim
I wish Wrox would bind the books the same way as O'Reilly though.

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You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an excellent
book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no writer
on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.  The
Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.

By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good as
well.  =)


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From: Tony LaPaso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat User [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 06:11 PM
Subject: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???


 Hi all,

 Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read
that
 the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
 impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
 they're printed on.

 I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
 also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice
to
 have.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks.



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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread John Turner
Most of the Wrox titles have been picked up by Wiley and Apress (Wrox 
liquidated earlier this year), so its possible the books will be closer 
to what you prefer when the second printing comes around.

John

Collins, Jim wrote:

I wish Wrox would bind the books the same way as O'Reilly though.

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From: epyonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???
You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an excellent
book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no writer
on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.  The
Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.
By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good as
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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread epyonne
Yeah, Wiley shuts down the P2P (programmers to programmers) site.  I hope it
is just a temporary thing.  Otherwise, they are destroying something that
was great.


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 Most of the Wrox titles have been picked up by Wiley and Apress (Wrox
 liquidated earlier this year), so its possible the books will be closer
 to what you prefer when the second printing comes around.

 John

 Collins, Jim wrote:

  I wish Wrox would bind the books the same way as O'Reilly though.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: epyonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 29 July 2003 13:43
  To: Tomcat Users List
  Subject: Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???
 
 
  You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
  moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an
excellent
  book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no
writer
  on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.
The
  Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.
 
  By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good
as
  well.  =)
 
 



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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread Micael
WROX professional series are just great, I think.  I like Ian Darwin's 
work, and he is the new guy with O'Reilly and Tomcat.  I am +1 with John 
Turner on this.

At 08:24 AM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:

As a Wrox author, I have to tell you that your overall impression is 
incorrect.  Books are like anything else: sometimes you think they're 
great, sometimes you think they're not.

To make a sweeping generalization is, in my mind, illogical.

John

Tony LaPaso wrote:

Hi all,
Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read that
the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
they're printed on.
I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice to
have.
Any suggestions?
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RE: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-29 Thread Micael
They are not the right kind of book for that.

At 02:07 PM 7/29/2003 +0100, you wrote:
I wish Wrox would bind the books the same way as O'Reilly though.

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You are so wrong about Wrox books.  Most of them are very good and
moderately priced.  The Professional Tomcat book from Wrox is an excellent
book.  Of course, there are some discrepancies.  But hey, there is no writer
on earth can catch up 100% with the fast pace of software development.  The
Professional Tomcat book is the best you can get out there.
By the way, I also bought the JBoss book from Wrox and it is very good as
well.  =)
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Subject: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???
 Hi all,

 Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read
that
 the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
 impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
 they're printed on.

 I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
 also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice
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 have.

 Any suggestions?

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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-29 Thread Tony LaPaso
First, as I said, my comment about the Wrox books was a generalization.
There's nothing illogical about making generalizations.

The Wrox books I've seen were pure garbage. When I'm at the bookstore now I
don't even bother to browse those big red books, knowing my effort will
probably be a waste of time. I usually stick with O'Reilly and Manning.
Perhaps Wrox's quality has improved and I should browse them again.

As for what I'm looking for -- basically, Tomcat Admin. There are other
books that teach servlets/JSPs/JSTL/XML, etc. I'm interested in all aspects
of using TC from an admin's point of view and from a programmer's point of
view. I guess that's another generalization. :)

Specifically, setting up TC, using it w/Apache and IIS, TC Security,
clustering TC servers, setting up JNDI resources. I suspect any good TC book
will have a good deal of overlap w/the servlet spec v2.4 which is fine.

I know several books cover these topics (and others) but as I said, I was
hoping to get some recommendations on the best ones. Perhaps the Wrox one
is the best.

Thanks very much for all the input. I really appreciate everyone taking the
time to write.

Tony





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 What, exactly is it that you want to know?

 You say I want a Tomcat book but then you say I don't want anything
 about servlets.  So what is it you want?  An admin reference (the Wrox
 book is focused that way)?  A performance tuning book?  People can't
 answer you or help you unless you are specific!

 Do you have specific questions?  Have you asked them here or on
 tomcat-dev?  Why wait for a book?  You have access to the people who are
 actually writing Tomcat and using Tomcat in heavy-duty production
 situations right here, right now.

 John

 Tony LaPaso wrote:

  Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
  specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books
I've
  seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
  programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that
extra
  fat.
 
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RE: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-29 Thread Aggarwal, Gautam (IE03)
Can a book ever be 'Pure Garbage'? Please think about it!

Gautam

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First, as I said, my comment about the Wrox books was a generalization.
There's nothing illogical about making generalizations.

The Wrox books I've seen were pure garbage. When I'm at the bookstore now I
don't even bother to browse those big red books, knowing my effort will
probably be a waste of time. I usually stick with O'Reilly and Manning.
Perhaps Wrox's quality has improved and I should browse them again.

As for what I'm looking for -- basically, Tomcat Admin. There are other
books that teach servlets/JSPs/JSTL/XML, etc. I'm interested in all aspects
of using TC from an admin's point of view and from a programmer's point of
view. I guess that's another generalization. :)

Specifically, setting up TC, using it w/Apache and IIS, TC Security,
clustering TC servers, setting up JNDI resources. I suspect any good TC book
will have a good deal of overlap w/the servlet spec v2.4 which is fine.

I know several books cover these topics (and others) but as I said, I was
hoping to get some recommendations on the best ones. Perhaps the Wrox one
is the best.

Thanks very much for all the input. I really appreciate everyone taking the
time to write.

Tony





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 What, exactly is it that you want to know?

 You say I want a Tomcat book but then you say I don't want anything
 about servlets.  So what is it you want?  An admin reference (the Wrox
 book is focused that way)?  A performance tuning book?  People can't
 answer you or help you unless you are specific!

 Do you have specific questions?  Have you asked them here or on
 tomcat-dev?  Why wait for a book?  You have access to the people who are
 actually writing Tomcat and using Tomcat in heavy-duty production
 situations right here, right now.

 John

 Tony LaPaso wrote:

  Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
  specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books
I've
  seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
  programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that
extra
  fat.
 
  Thanks again...
 
 
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Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-28 Thread Tony LaPaso
Hi all,

Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read that
the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
they're printed on.

I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice to
have.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.



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Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-28 Thread Tony LaPaso
Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books I've
seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that extra
fat.

Thanks again...


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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations??? PART 2

2003-07-28 Thread Eric J. Pinnell
Hi,

I don't usually push books...  people have different tastes.

But I like the Wrox book.  It's an administrators book.  Basically how
Tomcat is designed from an architecture standpoint (containers, contexts,
valves, realms, what the directories are for, etc) and how to configure it
(connectors, JDBC, JNDI, etc).  It leaves out java and it assumes you know
xml.

Of course it's getting more and more out of date as we speak.  I think
Tomcat 6 will be out before a decent Tomcat 5 book hits the shelves.

-e


On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tony LaPaso wrote:

 Sorry, but I forgot to mention: I'm really only interested in Tomcat
 specifically, not how to program servlets/JSPs. Some of the TC books I've
 seen like to make themselves nice and plump by describing servlet
 programming, what HTTP is, what XML is, etc., etc. I don't need that extra
 fat.

 Thanks again...


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Re: Best Tomcat Book, Recommendations???

2003-07-28 Thread Tim Funk
If you really want to know about tomcat5 - read the specs for JSP2.0 and 
servlet api 2.4.

-Tim

Tony LaPaso wrote:
Hi all,

Can some of you recommend a good Tomcat book? In the archives I've read that
the Wrox book, Professional Apache Tomcat, is pretty good but my overall
impression of Wrox books is that they're generally not worth the paper
they're printed on.
I know O'Reilly has a relatively new TC book that looks pretty good. I was
also hoping to find something that covered TC 5, although this is a nice to
have.
Any suggestions?

Thanks.
 


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