Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
Some days ago we had a 20 post about how to convert a char to an intvery legitimate question but very OT. And marked as such. Quote: sorry for posting this offtopic qns here And the subject: off topic - how do i convert an int to char Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:31:41AM +0100, Roberto Cosenza wrote: : What I mean is that since, as somebody reminded, some of the users make : confusion about what is tomcat and what is not, why don't we help them ? : An idea, seen somewhere else, could be to post on a regular basic a : short mailing list faq. Yours isn't a bad idea, it just requires new posters to 1/ check the archives and/or be on the list long enough to see the reminder post; or 2/ actually care about list etiquette. It's like those posters that remind people not to be rude with their cellphones in public places: the offenders hardly recognize themselves, so the posters are a waste. =) -QM -- software -- http://www.brandxdev.net tech news -- http://www.RoarNetworX.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
It's like those posters that remind people not to be rude with their cellphones in public places: the offenders hardly recognize themselves, so the posters are a waste. =) -QM That's a risk, but there is people who care but just needs to be informed -- Roberto Cosenza Infoflex Connect AB, Sweden Tel: +46-(0)8-55576860, Fax: +46-(0)8-55576861 -- Nordic Messaging Technologies is a trademark of Infoflex Connect. Please visit www.nordicmessaging.se for more information about our carrier-grade messaging products. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 01:28:37PM +0100, Roberto Cosenza wrote: : That's a risk, but there is people who care but just needs to be informed You're welcome to get started. =) There's nothing to stop you from doing this post. Who knows, perhaps it will have an effect? In my experience (I've seen this done before) it doesn't help, but perhaps this time it'll be different. -QM -- software -- http://www.brandxdev.net tech news -- http://www.RoarNetworX.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
And enjoyable reading for me. The fact is no one forces you to read an OT topic. I don't have time for more than one or two lists so my reading is pretty focused, sometimes moreso than I'd like. Sometimes reading an OT topic on Tomcat is a refreshing change from the normal questions. I don't think it's all that hard to just ignore properly marked OT topics if you're not interested. -Original Message- From: Parsons Technical Services To: Tomcat Users List Sent: 12/9/2004 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics Some days ago we had a 20 post about how to convert a char to an intvery legitimate question but very OT. And marked as such. Quote: sorry for posting this offtopic qns here And the subject: off topic - how do i convert an int to char Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
Personally, it seems like truly off-topic messages get tagged pretty quickly on this list. I think that's a reasonable solution to handle this problem. As for the *root* of the problem, the VAST majority of questions come from novice users who, predictably, don't know the difference between a Tomcat question and Servlet/JSP question. For most people, there *is* no difference. From that standpoint, it's artificial to say that some questions are Tomcat ones and others aren't -- they are all Tomcat-related and, as such, I feel like this is an appropriate place to address them. IMHO, asking a novice user to take it elsewhere would be a fairly cruel thing to do to an already confused and potentially frustrated user. That said, lengthly threads that banter about the merits of various JSRs and specs clearly don't belong here and should either be relocated or (more likely), marked OT. justin At 06:56 PM 12/8/2004, you wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 17:41, Roberto Cosenza wrote: I'm not talking about moderating but about informing the users that this is not the right place. Many important (and related) question do not get enough attention in this sea of messages. /rob I think this page: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html does that. Specifically here: Join the lists that are appropriate for your discussion. Please make sure that you are joining the list that is appropriate for the topic or product that you would like to discuss. For example, please do not join the Regexp mailing list and ask questions about Tomcat. Instead, you should join the Tomcat User list and ask your questions there. And here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html It is also customary on this list, as it is on others, to begin the subject of your post with [OT] or [OFF TOPIC] for threads, like this one, that don't deal directly with Tomcat issues. This allows people who don't want to wade through off topic discussions to skip right by them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Justin Ruthenbeck Lead Software Engineer, NextEngine Inc. justinr - AT - nextengine DOT com Confidential. See: http://www.nextengine.com/confidentiality.php __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
That said, lengthly threads that banter about the merits of various JSRs and specs clearly don't belong here and should either be relocated or (more likely), marked OT. Where Tomcat is used as the reference implementation for the Servlet and JSP specs, and where the mission of the Tomcat development team is to deliver a 100% spec compliant Servlet/JSP container, I think it would be pretty difficult to make a case for calling such discussions off-topic. Another good reason for quoting the specs, chapter and verse, is that the tomcat documentation, for the most part, doesn't repeat what's in them. Therefore, the best place to look, when you want to find out why Tomcat (or any other spec compliant container for that matter) behaves the way it does, is the specs. I thought your other points were very valid. -Ben - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics
And then there are the cases that would be deemed OT only to end up as a full blown Tomcat discussion. Some guy asked a question about IIS and at first it's OT. But after a few exchanges the solution is Tomcat. So even if the person is OT sometimes the answer is Tomcat. Doug - Original Message - From: Ben Souther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Tomcat mailing list is full of non tomcat topics That said, lengthly threads that banter about the merits of various JSRs and specs clearly don't belong here and should either be relocated or (more likely), marked OT. Where Tomcat is used as the reference implementation for the Servlet and JSP specs, and where the mission of the Tomcat development team is to deliver a 100% spec compliant Servlet/JSP container, I think it would be pretty difficult to make a case for calling such discussions off-topic. Another good reason for quoting the specs, chapter and verse, is that the tomcat documentation, for the most part, doesn't repeat what's in them. Therefore, the best place to look, when you want to find out why Tomcat (or any other spec compliant container for that matter) behaves the way it does, is the specs. I thought your other points were very valid. -Ben - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
