Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[Nikola Milutinovic]

Vincent Massol wrote:

> I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this email I
> sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat emails ! If
> I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds this of
> interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)
> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tomcat developers,
> 
> This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like it.
>  
> (0) Rationale
> 
> Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet, Taglibs
> and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet, Taglibs,
> Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the moment,
> there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to unit
> test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat by making
> it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit testing
> service to Tomcat).
> 
> (1) Scope of the proposal
> 
> a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique ease of
> use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end users
> 
> (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> 
> By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end users
> would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4 to 6) :
> 
> a) Create Cactus test classes in their WEB-INF/classes directory
> b) Open a browser and type the URL of the Cactus test runner, passing
> the name of the test class (see the link above for details)
> 
> (2) Cactus bundling in Tomcat
> 
> "Bundling" Cactus in Tomcat means (see steps 1 to 3 on the above link) :
> 
> a) Adding the following jars to common/lib : cactus.jar, junit.jar,
> httpclient.jar, aspectjrt.jar (total of 423 KB)
> b) Adding the Cactus servlet test runner and redirector servlet and
> mappings in conf/web.xml
> 
> (3) Versions
> 
> The target Tomcat version for this proposal is 4.0 and greater. The
> Cactus one is 1.4 and greater (note that Cactus 1.4 is not released yet
> and is still in CVS - It can be downloaded from the nightly build).
> 
> Comments, ideas ?

A good idea. Weæve already seen (or at least others have) integration of Ant 
into Tomcat for WebApp deployment. This would be another step in the right 
direction.

I know that we, common users/admins/developers, can slap it all together 
ourselves, but it would be nice if someone with "greater vision" would outline 
the proper way and do it.

Nix.


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RE: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[Vincent Massol]

That defeats the purpose of that Tomcat integration. The idea is that
the Cactus jars would be part of the common libraries of a Tomcat
installation so that each web application does not have to include the
cactus jars and setup in its own war ... The idea is to bring testing as
a "service" provided by the container, not the other way around.

-Vincent

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 25 May 2002 23:39
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Cc: 'Tomcat Developers List'
> Subject: RE: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)
> 
> I would prefer to see a self-contained WAR file ( or a set of
> self-contained wars ).
> 
> 
> 
> Costin
> 
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to speak your mind Costin. At least you answered. I would
have
> > liked more feedback from other committers.
> >
> > For the time being I'll prepare a "cactification" script for Tomcat
that
> > will be delivered with Cactus. BTW, is there any problem if we
create in
> > cactusland a specially packaged Tomcat version that is cactus-aware
?
> > I'm not sure yet we want to follow that route but if we wanted to do
> > this and put it in the cactus release directory, would you see any
> > problem ?
> >
> > I'll repost in 6 months ... :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > Sidenote: I believe Cactus could very effectively be used as a
> > regression testing tool for the Tomcat project. It has already
> > discovered problems in the past. I haven't looked at the Watchdog
> > project but it could be either a replacement or a complement to it.
You
> > should try it at some point. I would love to hear comments of what
you
> > don't like/do like. Quick start up guide for Tomcat is available
here :
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html (needs only
10
> > minutes).
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 24 May 2002 19:41
> > > To: Tomcat Users List
> > > Cc: List Tomcat-Dev
> > > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this
> > email I
> > > > sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat
emails !
> > If
> > > > I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds
this
> > of
> > > > interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)
> > >
> > > I think it would be a good idea :-), there is already far too much
> > going
> > > on, with all the new features and changes ( jmx, 4.1, jk2,
jasper2,
> > > coyote, etc ).
> > >
> > > Costin
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tomcat developers,
> > > >
> > > > This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> > > > (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like
it.
> > > >
> > > > (0) Rationale
> > > >
> > > > Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet,
> > Taglibs
> > > > and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet,
Taglibs,
> > > > Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the
> > moment,
> > > > there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to
> > unit
> > > > test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat
by
> > making
> > > > it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit
> > testing
> > > > service to Tomcat).
> > > >
> > > > (1) Scope of the proposal
> > > >
> > > > a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique
ease
> > of
> > > > use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> > > > b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end
users
> > > >
> > > > (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> > > >
> > > > By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end
> > users
> > > > would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4
to
> > 6) :
> > > >
> &g

RE: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[costinm]

I would prefer to see a self-contained WAR file ( or a set of 
self-contained wars ). 



Costin

On Sat, 25 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:

> Thanks to speak your mind Costin. At least you answered. I would have
> liked more feedback from other committers.
> 
> For the time being I'll prepare a "cactification" script for Tomcat that
> will be delivered with Cactus. BTW, is there any problem if we create in
> cactusland a specially packaged Tomcat version that is cactus-aware ?
> I'm not sure yet we want to follow that route but if we wanted to do
> this and put it in the cactus release directory, would you see any
> problem ?
> 
> I'll repost in 6 months ... :-)
> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
> Sidenote: I believe Cactus could very effectively be used as a
> regression testing tool for the Tomcat project. It has already
> discovered problems in the past. I haven't looked at the Watchdog
> project but it could be either a replacement or a complement to it. You
> should try it at some point. I would love to hear comments of what you
> don't like/do like. Quick start up guide for Tomcat is available here :
> http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html (needs only 10
> minutes).
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 24 May 2002 19:41
> > To: Tomcat Users List
> > Cc: List Tomcat-Dev
> > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)
> > 
> > On Fri, 24 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this
> email I
> > > sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat emails !
> If
> > > I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds this
> of
> > > interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)
> > 
> > I think it would be a good idea :-), there is already far too much
> going
> > on, with all the new features and changes ( jmx, 4.1, jk2, jasper2,
> > coyote, etc ).
> > 
> > Costin
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Hi Tomcat developers,
> > >
> > > This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> > > (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like it.
> > >
> > > (0) Rationale
> > >
> > > Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet,
> Taglibs
> > > and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet, Taglibs,
> > > Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the
> moment,
> > > there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to
> unit
> > > test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat by
> making
> > > it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit
> testing
> > > service to Tomcat).
> > >
> > > (1) Scope of the proposal
> > >
> > > a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique ease
> of
> > > use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> > > b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end users
> > >
> > > (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> > >
> > > By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end
> users
> > > would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4 to
> 6) :
> > >
> > > a) Create Cactus test classes in their WEB-INF/classes directory
> > > b) Open a browser and type the URL of the Cactus test runner,
> passing
> > > the name of the test class (see the link above for details)
> > >
> > > (2) Cactus bundling in Tomcat
> > >
> > > "Bundling" Cactus in Tomcat means (see steps 1 to 3 on the above
> link) :
> > >
> > > a) Adding the following jars to common/lib : cactus.jar, junit.jar,
> > > httpclient.jar, aspectjrt.jar (total of 423 KB)
> > > b) Adding the Cactus servlet test runner and redirector servlet and
> > > mappings in conf/web.xml
> > >
> > > (3) Versions
> > >
> > > The target Tomcat version for this proposal is 4.0 and greater. The
> > > Cactus one is 1.4 and greater (note that Cactus 1.4 is not released
> yet
> > > and is still in CVS - It can be downloaded from the nightly build).
> > >
> > > Comments, ideas ?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > -Vincent (from the Cactus team)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[Vincent Massol]

Thanks to speak your mind Costin. At least you answered. I would have
liked more feedback from other committers.

For the time being I'll prepare a "cactification" script for Tomcat that
will be delivered with Cactus. BTW, is there any problem if we create in
cactusland a specially packaged Tomcat version that is cactus-aware ?
I'm not sure yet we want to follow that route but if we wanted to do
this and put it in the cactus release directory, would you see any
problem ?

I'll repost in 6 months ... :-)

Thanks
-Vincent

Sidenote: I believe Cactus could very effectively be used as a
regression testing tool for the Tomcat project. It has already
discovered problems in the past. I haven't looked at the Watchdog
project but it could be either a replacement or a complement to it. You
should try it at some point. I would love to hear comments of what you
don't like/do like. Quick start up guide for Tomcat is available here :
http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html (needs only 10
minutes).


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 24 May 2002 19:41
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Cc: List Tomcat-Dev
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)
> 
> On Fri, 24 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:
> 
> > I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this
email I
> > sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat emails !
If
> > I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds this
of
> > interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)
> 
> I think it would be a good idea :-), there is already far too much
going
> on, with all the new features and changes ( jmx, 4.1, jk2, jasper2,
> coyote, etc ).
> 
> Costin
> 
> 
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > 
> >
> > Hi Tomcat developers,
> >
> > This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> > (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like it.
> >
> > (0) Rationale
> >
> > Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet,
Taglibs
> > and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet, Taglibs,
> > Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the
moment,
> > there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to
unit
> > test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat by
making
> > it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit
testing
> > service to Tomcat).
> >
> > (1) Scope of the proposal
> >
> > a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique ease
of
> > use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> > b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end users
> >
> > (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> >
> > By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end
users
> > would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4 to
6) :
> >
> > a) Create Cactus test classes in their WEB-INF/classes directory
> > b) Open a browser and type the URL of the Cactus test runner,
passing
> > the name of the test class (see the link above for details)
> >
> > (2) Cactus bundling in Tomcat
> >
> > "Bundling" Cactus in Tomcat means (see steps 1 to 3 on the above
link) :
> >
> > a) Adding the following jars to common/lib : cactus.jar, junit.jar,
> > httpclient.jar, aspectjrt.jar (total of 423 KB)
> > b) Adding the Cactus servlet test runner and redirector servlet and
> > mappings in conf/web.xml
> >
> > (3) Versions
> >
> > The target Tomcat version for this proposal is 4.0 and greater. The
> > Cactus one is 1.4 and greater (note that Cactus 1.4 is not released
yet
> > and is still in CVS - It can be downloaded from the nightly build).
> >
> > Comments, ideas ?
> >
> > Thank you
> > -Vincent (from the Cactus team)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[costinm]

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Vincent Massol wrote:

> I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this email I
> sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat emails ! If
> I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds this of
> interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)

I think it would be a good idea :-), there is already far too much going 
on, with all the new features and changes ( jmx, 4.1, jk2, jasper2, 
coyote, etc ).

Costin


> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tomcat developers,
> 
> This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like it.
>  
> (0) Rationale
> 
> Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet, Taglibs
> and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet, Taglibs,
> Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the moment,
> there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to unit
> test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat by making
> it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit testing
> service to Tomcat).
> 
> (1) Scope of the proposal
> 
> a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique ease of
> use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end users
> 
> (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> 
> By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end users
> would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4 to 6) :
> 
> a) Create Cactus test classes in their WEB-INF/classes directory
> b) Open a browser and type the URL of the Cactus test runner, passing
> the name of the test class (see the link above for details)
> 
> (2) Cactus bundling in Tomcat
> 
> "Bundling" Cactus in Tomcat means (see steps 1 to 3 on the above link) :
> 
> a) Adding the following jars to common/lib : cactus.jar, junit.jar,
> httpclient.jar, aspectjrt.jar (total of 423 KB)
> b) Adding the Cactus servlet test runner and redirector servlet and
> mappings in conf/web.xml
> 
> (3) Versions
> 
> The target Tomcat version for this proposal is 4.0 and greater. The
> Cactus one is 1.4 and greater (note that Cactus 1.4 is not released yet
> and is still in CVS - It can be downloaded from the nightly build).
> 
> Comments, ideas ?
> 
> Thank you
> -Vincent (from the Cactus team)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Proposal] Tomcat and Cactus (Repost)

[Phillip Morelock]

I'm not familiar with Cactus, but integrated testing/debugging of any
"official" kind would be quite nice.

fillup


On 5/24/02 10:15 AM, "Vincent Massol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm reposting in the secret hope that I got no response to this email I
> sent last week because no one saw it in the flood of Tomcat emails ! If
> I get no answer this time, I will understand that no one finds this of
> interest and will try again in 6 months - 1 year :-)
> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Tomcat developers,
> 
> This is a proposal to bring Jakarta Tomcat and Jakarta Cactus
> (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus) closer. I hope you'll like it.
> 
> (0) Rationale
> 
> Jakarta Cactus is a unit testing framework for testing Servlet, Taglibs
> and Filters. Jakarta Tomcat is a Servlet engine (Servlet, Taglibs,
> Filters). They are both part of the Jakarta community. At the moment,
> there are no existing Servlet container that have an easy way to unit
> test Servlets. The idea is to bring this ease of use to Tomcat by making
> it easy to use Cactus within Tomcat (in other words, add a unit testing
> service to Tomcat).
> 
> (1) Scope of the proposal
> 
> a) To bundle Cactus within Tomcat so that it provides a unique ease of
> use for Tomcat users who wishes to test their servlet code
> b) To make Cactus the official Tomcat test framework for end users
> 
> (1) From the point of view of Tomcat users
> 
> By providing the bundling defined in point (2) below, Tomcat end users
> would only have to do the following to test their code (see
> http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/1.4/howto_tomcat.html, steps 4 to 6) :
> 
> a) Create Cactus test classes in their WEB-INF/classes directory
> b) Open a browser and type the URL of the Cactus test runner, passing
> the name of the test class (see the link above for details)
> 
> (2) Cactus bundling in Tomcat
> 
> "Bundling" Cactus in Tomcat means (see steps 1 to 3 on the above link) :
> 
> a) Adding the following jars to common/lib : cactus.jar, junit.jar,
> httpclient.jar, aspectjrt.jar (total of 423 KB)
> b) Adding the Cactus servlet test runner and redirector servlet and
> mappings in conf/web.xml
> 
> (3) Versions
> 
> The target Tomcat version for this proposal is 4.0 and greater. The
> Cactus one is 1.4 and greater (note that Cactus 1.4 is not released yet
> and is still in CVS - It can be downloaded from the nightly build).
> 
> Comments, ideas ?
> 
> Thank you
> -Vincent (from the Cactus team)
> 
> 
> 
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