Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Lloyd Llewellyn]

> Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?

I'll get slapped for this - configuration utilities?  :-)

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[chris brown]

> Experimenting with the "new I/O" calls is certainly something I'm
> interested in exploring (along with performance tuning in general).  But
> the reality is that what actually gets added post-4.0 is based on what
> features people suggest, combined with what features people actually write
> code for.
>
> Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?
>
> Craig McClanahan

Improved performance is always welcome.  In general though, one of the main
attractions for myself with regards to Tomcat is that it's a very good
servlet engine, but doesn't try to go much further (no EJB container for
example).  I'd hate to see Tomcat "bloat up" ; that's where bugs and strange
issues can become less manageable.  Things like server-side includes for the
HTTP part of Tomcat aren't really useful to me ; I prefer to let Tomcat
handle the Java side of things, and let Apache do the rest.   I don't think
Tomcat should start trying to do things are beyond the scope of being a
servlet engine (although a *basic* HTTP server is good for initial setup).

One suggestion however: when deploying WAR files, it's a bit annoying to
have to fiddle with web.xml in the uncompressed files in order to modify
servlet init-params for example.  It would be good to allow an administrator
to have some (standardised?) mechanism to deploy a WAR file as a "black box"
and then override certain webapp params (from some sort of admin tool or
interface?) without touching the webapp itself.

-Chris Brown

PS: I'd love to code some of these bits and pieces myself, but I don't have
the time to implement quality code that doesn't upset other components.

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Ellis Teer]

Now I am reading the JMX spec...but my first itch is to install a UNIX based OS
on my servers ;)

-Ellis Teer

>> Just had to say that Tomcat is a fine piece of work.
>> 
>> I am looking forward to the mod_webapp Apache-Tomcat connector.
>
>It's working great under Unix :)
>
>> Although it may be before its time or another project entirely...an expanded
>> web based webapp management interface (additional information, more
functions,
>> etc.) would be very attractive.
>
> Would be cool to be able to do it thru JMX :)

>   Pier

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RE: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Jess Holle and Wendy Vidlak]

I personally second call for use of the new I/O calls and performance
efforts in general.

As for IIS -- until one can easily give per servlet and per-JSP
authentication settings (e.g. anonymous for servlet A, authenticated via
LDAP for servlet B, authenticated via password file for servlet C, anonymous
for /anon/*.jsp, but authenticated for /auth/*.jsp) with the ease one can in
Apache I can only say "no thanks".  Win2K is well and good, but I'd sooner
see Apache 2.0 finished up then further work on IIS -- unless IIS is
suddenly and *dramatically* improved.  [For instance IIS should have a
purely text-based configuration capability, and that doesn't mean 'regedit',
like Apache to simplify automated configuration.]

Jess Holle

-Original Message-
From: Curtis Dougherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:31 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Beyond Tomcat 4..?



YES... integration with IIS5 and Win2K...

Documentation for same...

:P
-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?




On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, chris brown wrote:

> Just wondering what's being planned for the future of Tomcat beyond the
4.0
> release (if anyone knows...).  For example, are there plans to make a
> release that uses JDK 1.4's "scalable I/O" features?  (as both products
are
> currently in beta, I imagine that could be some way off!)
>

Experimenting with the "new I/O" calls is certainly something I'm
interested in exploring (along with performance tuning in general).  But
the reality is that what actually gets added post-4.0 is based on what
features people suggest, combined with what features people actually write
code for.

Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?

Craig McClanahan


>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:35 PM
> Subject: RE: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
>
>
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Bryan Rood wrote:
> >
> > > Pier,
> > >
> > > I am interested in using a 4.0.something tomcat build.
> > >
> > > Are there official sources at apache that can confirm the
"VERY_stable"
> > > declaration that you have made?
> > > My company won't let me use anything but a stable production release.
> > > Is the 4.0 the same as prod quality?
> > > thanks so much,
> > >
> >
> > I'm one of the primary authors of Tomcat 4.0, so I've got some thoughts
> > about this (and undoubtedly some bias as well :-).
> >
> > The only reason that 4.0 has not been declared final yet is that the
> > underlying specifications it is based on (Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2) are
not
> > yet final.  In fact, small changes and clarifications are still going
on,
> > and it would be pretty silly to declare 4.0 "final" and then have to go
> > change it because the specs changed underneath.
> >
> > There will shortly be a "beta 7" release, to pick up the most recent
> > specification-related changes.  It should be considered a "release
> > candidate", and development efforts between now and release day will be
> > focused on bug fixes (at the moment, there are very few bugs recorded
> > against Tomcat 4 in the bug tracking system at
> > <http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/>) and improved documentation.
> >
> > Craig McClanahan
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Pier P. Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:33 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Cooke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use 4.0 as it's beta.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about being a beta... It's stable, _VERY_ stable.
> > >
> > > Pier
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Pier P. Fumagalli]

Ellis Teer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just had to say that Tomcat is a fine piece of work.
> 
> I am looking forward to the mod_webapp Apache-Tomcat connector.

It's working great under Unix :)

> Although it may be before its time or another project entirely...an expanded
> web based webapp management interface (additional information, more functions,
> etc.) would be very attractive.

... Would be cool to be able to do it thru JMX :)

Pier

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Pier P. Fumagalli]

Curtis Dougherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> YES... integration with IIS5 and Win2K...

HELP! :) :) :) :)

> Documentation for same...

RE-HELP! :) :) :) :)

Pier

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Ellis Teer]

Just had to say that Tomcat is a fine piece of work.

I am looking forward to the mod_webapp Apache-Tomcat connector.

Although it may be before its time or another project entirely...an expanded
web based webapp management interface (additional information, more functions,
etc.) would be very attractive.

-Ellis Teer


On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, chris brown wrote:

> Just wondering what's being planned for the future of Tomcat beyond the 4.0
> release (if anyone knows...).  For example, are there plans to make a
> release that uses JDK 1.4's "scalable I/O" features?  (as both products are
> currently in beta, I imagine that could be some way off!)
> 

Experimenting with the "new I/O" calls is certainly something I'm
interested in exploring (along with performance tuning in general).  But
the reality is that what actually gets added post-4.0 is based on what
features people suggest, combined with what features people actually write
code for.

Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?

Craig McClanahan

> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:35 PM
> Subject: RE: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Bryan Rood wrote:
> >
> > > Pier,
> > >
> > > I am interested in using a 4.0.something tomcat build.
> > >
> > > Are there official sources at apache that can confirm the "VERY_stable"
> > > declaration that you have made?
> > > My company won't let me use anything but a stable production release.
> > > Is the 4.0 the same as prod quality?
> > > thanks so much,
> > >
> >
> > I'm one of the primary authors of Tomcat 4.0, so I've got some thoughts
> > about this (and undoubtedly some bias as well :-).
> >
> > The only reason that 4.0 has not been declared final yet is that the
> > underlying specifications it is based on (Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2) are not
> > yet final.  In fact, small changes and clarifications are still going on,
> > and it would be pretty silly to declare 4.0 "final" and then have to go
> > change it because the specs changed underneath.
> >
> > There will shortly be a "beta 7" release, to pick up the most recent
> > specification-related changes.  It should be considered a "release
> > candidate", and development efforts between now and release day will be
> > focused on bug fixes (at the moment, there are very few bugs recorded
> > against Tomcat 4 in the bug tracking system at
> > ) and improved documentation.
> >
> > Craig McClanahan
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Pier P. Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:33 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Cooke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use 4.0 as it's beta.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about being a beta... It's stable, _VERY_ stable.
> > >
> > > Pier
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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RE: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Curtis Dougherty]

YES... integration with IIS5 and Win2K...  

Documentation for same... 

:P
-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?




On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, chris brown wrote:

> Just wondering what's being planned for the future of Tomcat beyond the
4.0
> release (if anyone knows...).  For example, are there plans to make a
> release that uses JDK 1.4's "scalable I/O" features?  (as both products
are
> currently in beta, I imagine that could be some way off!)
> 

Experimenting with the "new I/O" calls is certainly something I'm
interested in exploring (along with performance tuning in general).  But
the reality is that what actually gets added post-4.0 is based on what
features people suggest, combined with what features people actually write
code for.

Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?

Craig McClanahan


> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:35 PM
> Subject: RE: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Bryan Rood wrote:
> >
> > > Pier,
> > >
> > > I am interested in using a 4.0.something tomcat build.
> > >
> > > Are there official sources at apache that can confirm the
"VERY_stable"
> > > declaration that you have made?
> > > My company won't let me use anything but a stable production release.
> > > Is the 4.0 the same as prod quality?
> > > thanks so much,
> > >
> >
> > I'm one of the primary authors of Tomcat 4.0, so I've got some thoughts
> > about this (and undoubtedly some bias as well :-).
> >
> > The only reason that 4.0 has not been declared final yet is that the
> > underlying specifications it is based on (Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2) are
not
> > yet final.  In fact, small changes and clarifications are still going
on,
> > and it would be pretty silly to declare 4.0 "final" and then have to go
> > change it because the specs changed underneath.
> >
> > There will shortly be a "beta 7" release, to pick up the most recent
> > specification-related changes.  It should be considered a "release
> > candidate", and development efforts between now and release day will be
> > focused on bug fixes (at the moment, there are very few bugs recorded
> > against Tomcat 4 in the bug tracking system at
> > <http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/>) and improved documentation.
> >
> > Craig McClanahan
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Pier P. Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:33 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Cooke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use 4.0 as it's beta.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about being a beta... It's stable, _VERY_ stable.
> > >
> > > Pier
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

Re: Beyond Tomcat 4..?

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, chris brown wrote:

> Just wondering what's being planned for the future of Tomcat beyond the 4.0
> release (if anyone knows...).  For example, are there plans to make a
> release that uses JDK 1.4's "scalable I/O" features?  (as both products are
> currently in beta, I imagine that could be some way off!)
> 

Experimenting with the "new I/O" calls is certainly something I'm
interested in exploring (along with performance tuning in general).  But
the reality is that what actually gets added post-4.0 is based on what
features people suggest, combined with what features people actually write
code for.

Are there particular things you're interested in seeing?

Craig McClanahan


> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:35 PM
> Subject: RE: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Bryan Rood wrote:
> >
> > > Pier,
> > >
> > > I am interested in using a 4.0.something tomcat build.
> > >
> > > Are there official sources at apache that can confirm the "VERY_stable"
> > > declaration that you have made?
> > > My company won't let me use anything but a stable production release.
> > > Is the 4.0 the same as prod quality?
> > > thanks so much,
> > >
> >
> > I'm one of the primary authors of Tomcat 4.0, so I've got some thoughts
> > about this (and undoubtedly some bias as well :-).
> >
> > The only reason that 4.0 has not been declared final yet is that the
> > underlying specifications it is based on (Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2) are not
> > yet final.  In fact, small changes and clarifications are still going on,
> > and it would be pretty silly to declare 4.0 "final" and then have to go
> > change it because the specs changed underneath.
> >
> > There will shortly be a "beta 7" release, to pick up the most recent
> > specification-related changes.  It should be considered a "release
> > candidate", and development efforts between now and release day will be
> > focused on bug fixes (at the moment, there are very few bugs recorded
> > against Tomcat 4 in the bug tracking system at
> > ) and improved documentation.
> >
> > Craig McClanahan
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Pier P. Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:33 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: SAX 2.0, sealing, Tomcat 3.2.3
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Cooke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use 4.0 as it's beta.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about being a beta... It's stable, _VERY_ stable.
> > >
> > > Pier
> > >
> >
> >
> 
>