Re: Money for Projects

2002-04-18 Thread August Detlefsen

You can already donate to thousands of charities (including Apache and
EFF) using JustGive.org. Because they are sponsored, they are able to
send 100% of your donation to the charity and there is no added service
fee. 

http://www.justgive.org




--- Christopher Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 100% of the designated amount goes to the beneficiary, and we add a
 separate 10% service fee which we hope will someday cover our
 expenses.
 If it's too much...then the market will drive it down. If it's too
 little, then we won't be around long or we'll raise it;) If someone
 can
 do a better job at delivering the service, they can click the (0)
 in
 any screen of our service, download a tarball of our source, set up a
 bunch of machines and compete.-Reed
 
 
  On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
 Timothy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Do you know how much they skim off the top for their
  service fee?
  
  --- Jay Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   O.K., my bad! I went and looked and this looks like
   a reputable site. I hope
   the money does indeed go to the right places.
   
   --Jay Gardner
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:15 PM
   To: Tomcat Users List
   Subject: RE: Money for Projects
   
   Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for
   rewarding developers for
   their hard work. I just don't want some organization
   skimming off the top
   when you can just as easily contact a developer or
   organization directly and
   donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about
   the service before
   passing judgment.
   
   --Jay Gardner
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: 'Tomcat Users List'
   Subject: RE: Money for Projects
   
   
   imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is
   putting together. what's
   the harm.
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
   To: Tomcat Users List
   Subject: RE: Money for Projects
   
   
   Go away and don't come back!!
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: OT: Money for Projects
   
   
   Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.
   
   I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots
   way for people to
   donate money to various non-profits  projects such
   as Apache, Hurd,
   EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation
   might be in response
   to some helpful feedback given by that developer in
   response to a
   question; it might be because their name and URL
   were in some software
   they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our
   expenses , which we
   think is reasonable given the costs involved in
   credit card auth and the
   like. The software used to deliver the service is
   open source.
   
   Take a look at a the link I created below
   
   People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of
   which goes to the
   Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.
   
   We're very interested in any comments and feedback
   on the
   site/service. You can check it out at
   http://www.affero.com.
   BTW, we have been told that we should lower our
   $15.00 minimum donation.
   What do you think?
   
   Thanks
   
   Reed
   
  
 
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Re: Money for Projects

2002-04-18 Thread Christopher Reed

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
August Detlefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You can already donate to thousands of charities (including Apache and
 EFF) using JustGive.org. Because they are sponsored, they are able to
 send 100% of your donation to the charity and there is no added
 service fee. 

Your absolutely right you can do that. Most formal organizations inside
Open Source and out have this function and get very little funding from
it.  Also, there are many projects that are not formal 501 (c) (3)
organizations and they don't get listed on these sites.  Finally for
those individuals running projects that aren't formal organizations who
put PayPal links off their web pages rarely get any traffic to that page
at all.   

But all of the above is only part of the problem as most of the time
people only give when there is an event.  When help is provided on a
mailing list, the person that got their butt saved is in a state of mind
to give back to the person that helped them.  That volunteer providing
the help might support Apache, Horde and Save the Redwoods but the
person giving back in recognition of the support would have no clue
about these being the causes the person providing help supported.  We
aren't trying to replace the online donation functions that exist today
off of web sites or through JustGive.org.  We just believe that someone
volunteering their knowledge over the web through email could now have
an opportunity to get recognized in a way that is more powerful.  Plus,
we allow individuals to get money for their own personal projects in a
way that JustGive.org doesn't offer. At least it doesn't exist today.  

As far as the fee, 10% charged to the person giving the money might be a
big amount if we were handling large donations.  We feel as though
people with large donations will use other direct donation methods and
use Affero for the $5, $10 type of thanks  Bank fees alone and the
admin overhead of getting checks to all of the individual projects and
non-profits eat away at this fee big time. 

With Affero you can have one or multiple charites your volunteering for
in a your profile. . You can have multiple profiles. So, if your
answering questions on the tomcat list and you want to give to apache,
you can. If your on another list you can have a completely different
profile. In the future we will have many more tools for the volunteer. 
In fact we would love feedback from Users like you providing support to
help that development.

 - Chris


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Jay Gardner

Go away and don't come back!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Money for Projects


Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.

I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits  projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses , which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and the
like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

Take a look at a the link I created below

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower our $15.00 minimum donation.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Dahnke, Eric


imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is putting together. what's
the harm.


-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


Go away and don't come back!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Money for Projects


Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.

I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits  projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses , which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and the
like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

Take a look at a the link I created below

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower our $15.00 minimum donation.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Jay Gardner

Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for rewarding developers for
their hard work. I just don't want some organization skimming off the top
when you can just as easily contact a developer or organization directly and
donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about the service before
passing judgment.

--Jay Gardner

-Original Message-
From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is putting together. what's
the harm.


-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


Go away and don't come back!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Money for Projects


Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.

I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits  projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses , which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and the
like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

Take a look at a the link I created below

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower our $15.00 minimum donation.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Jay Gardner

O.K., my bad! I went and looked and this looks like a reputable site. I hope
the money does indeed go to the right places.

--Jay Gardner

-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects

Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for rewarding developers for
their hard work. I just don't want some organization skimming off the top
when you can just as easily contact a developer or organization directly and
donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about the service before
passing judgment.

--Jay Gardner

-Original Message-
From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is putting together. what's
the harm.


-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


Go away and don't come back!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Money for Projects


Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.

I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits  projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses , which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and the
like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

Take a look at a the link I created below

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower our $15.00 minimum donation.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Ganey, Todd

They don't seem to mention how much they take off the top as in: Affero
takes a bit off the top for our expenses
but their web site does say 100% of the donation amount is sent to the
designated non-profit

So which is it?

Todd

-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:20 AM
To: Tomcat Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


O.K., my bad! I went and looked and this looks like a reputable site. I hope
the money does indeed go to the right places.

--Jay Gardner

-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects

Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for rewarding developers for
their hard work. I just don't want some organization skimming off the top
when you can just as easily contact a developer or organization directly and
donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about the service before
passing judgment.

--Jay Gardner

-Original Message-
From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is putting together. what's
the harm.


-Original Message-
From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Money for Projects


Go away and don't come back!!

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Money for Projects


Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.

I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits  projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses , which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and the
like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

Take a look at a the link I created below

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower our $15.00 minimum donation.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed


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RE: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Timothy Fisher

Do you know how much they skim off the top for their
service fee?

--- Jay Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 O.K., my bad! I went and looked and this looks like
 a reputable site. I hope
 the money does indeed go to the right places.
 
 --Jay Gardner
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:15 PM
 To: Tomcat Users List
 Subject: RE: Money for Projects
 
 Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for
 rewarding developers for
 their hard work. I just don't want some organization
 skimming off the top
 when you can just as easily contact a developer or
 organization directly and
 donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about
 the service before
 passing judgment.
 
 --Jay Gardner
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
 To: 'Tomcat Users List'
 Subject: RE: Money for Projects
 
 
 imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is
 putting together. what's
 the harm.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
 To: Tomcat Users List
 Subject: RE: Money for Projects
 
 
 Go away and don't come back!!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: Money for Projects
 
 
 Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.
 
 I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots
 way for people to
 donate money to various non-profits  projects such
 as Apache, Hurd,
 EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation
 might be in response
 to some helpful feedback given by that developer in
 response to a
 question; it might be because their name and URL
 were in some software
 they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our
 expenses , which we
 think is reasonable given the costs involved in
 credit card auth and the
 like. The software used to deliver the service is
 open source.
 
 Take a look at a the link I created below
 
 People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of
 which goes to the
 Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.
 
 We're very interested in any comments and feedback
 on the
 site/service. You can check it out at
 http://www.affero.com.
 BTW, we have been told that we should lower our
 $15.00 minimum donation.
 What do you think?
 
 Thanks
 
 Reed
 


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Re: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Christopher Reed

100% of the designated amount goes to the beneficiary, and we add a
separate 10% service fee which we hope will someday cover our expenses.
If it's too much...then the market will drive it down. If it's too
little, then we won't be around long or we'll raise it;) If someone can
do a better job at delivering the service, they can click the (0) in
any screen of our service, download a tarball of our source, set up a
bunch of machines and compete.-Reed


 On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
Timothy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you know how much they skim off the top for their
 service fee?
 
 --- Jay Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  O.K., my bad! I went and looked and this looks like
  a reputable site. I hope
  the money does indeed go to the right places.
  
  --Jay Gardner
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:15 PM
  To: Tomcat Users List
  Subject: RE: Money for Projects
  
  Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction! I am all for
  rewarding developers for
  their hard work. I just don't want some organization
  skimming off the top
  when you can just as easily contact a developer or
  organization directly and
  donate that way. I guess I need to go find out about
  the service before
  passing judgment.
  
  --Jay Gardner
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Dahnke, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:09 PM
  To: 'Tomcat Users List'
  Subject: RE: Money for Projects
  
  
  imo there's nothing wrong with what this person is
  putting together. what's
  the harm.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jay Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:57 PM
  To: Tomcat Users List
  Subject: RE: Money for Projects
  
  
  Go away and don't come back!!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Christopher Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:00 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: OT: Money for Projects
  
  
  Apologies in advance if this feels spammy.
  
  I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots
  way for people to
  donate money to various non-profits  projects such
  as Apache, Hurd,
  EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation
  might be in response
  to some helpful feedback given by that developer in
  response to a
  question; it might be because their name and URL
  were in some software
  they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our
  expenses , which we
  think is reasonable given the costs involved in
  credit card auth and the
  like. The software used to deliver the service is
  open source.
  
  Take a look at a the link I created below
  
  People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of
  which goes to the
  Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.
  
  We're very interested in any comments and feedback
  on the
  site/service. You can check it out at
  http://www.affero.com.
  BTW, we have been told that we should lower our
  $15.00 minimum donation.
  What do you think?
  
  Thanks
  
  Reed
  
 
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Re: Money for Projects

2002-04-17 Thread Christopher Reed

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:37:30 -0700
Ganey, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They don't seem to mention how much they take off the top as in:
 Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses
 but their web site does say 100% of the donation amount is sent to
 the designated non-profit

So I am super clear. The projects get 100% of the donation. Currently
10% of the donation is charged to donor. 

 
 So which is it?
 
 


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