RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1)
We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



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From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for.
Apache is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app
through https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to
be secure as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you
guess when I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server
infinitely hangs.  I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is
not implemented...  Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread Denise Mangano
Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
started with that?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1)
I would imagine you do not need to switch to warp and the majority of the
list would say not to use warp.  I only use it due to the fact it is not
currently convenient for me to upgrade the perl on my HP-UX box to 5.05.

The only thing I had to do was to place the warp equivalent of JKMount in
the virtual host for the 443 port and I was off and running.  Do you place
the JKMount directive in each virtual host or do place them outside of all
virtual hosts so that the directive apply to all hosts?  I do know for JRUN
2.3.3, the placement of the mapping directive relative to the virtual hosts
makes a diference of operation.



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From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:36 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
started with that?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread Denise Mangano
The other JkMount statements that I have specified have al been placed
outside of the Virtual hosts directives, but I do not have one specified for
SSL.  Everything in the Tomcat documentation seems to discuss setting up SSL
on Tomcat acting as a standalone, which is not my situation.  I'm trying to
find something telling me how to formulate such a JkMount statement, but
can't seem to find anything.  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:43 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


I would imagine you do not need to switch to warp and the majority of the
list would say not to use warp.  I only use it due to the fact it is not
currently convenient for me to upgrade the perl on my HP-UX box to 5.05.

The only thing I had to do was to place the warp equivalent of JKMount in
the virtual host for the 443 port and I was off and running.  Do you place
the JKMount directive in each virtual host or do place them outside of all
virtual hosts so that the directive apply to all hosts?  I do know for JRUN
2.3.3, the placement of the mapping directive relative to the virtual hosts
makes a diference of operation.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:36 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
started with that?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1)
The JKmount statement formulation will be the same regardless of protocol
so I would try placing the one in which you are interested in the 443
virtual host

If you scroll down to the bottom of this doc they show it in a 443 host
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/config/jk.html

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From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


The other JkMount statements that I have specified have al been placed
outside of the Virtual hosts directives, but I do not have one specified for
SSL.  Everything in the Tomcat documentation seems to discuss setting up SSL
on Tomcat acting as a standalone, which is not my situation.  I'm trying to
find something telling me how to formulate such a JkMount statement, but
can't seem to find anything.  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:43 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


I would imagine you do not need to switch to warp and the majority of the
list would say not to use warp.  I only use it due to the fact it is not
currently convenient for me to upgrade the perl on my HP-UX box to 5.05.

The only thing I had to do was to place the warp equivalent of JKMount in
the virtual host for the 443 port and I was off and running.  Do you place
the JKMount directive in each virtual host or do place them outside of all
virtual hosts so that the directive apply to all hosts?  I do know for JRUN
2.3.3, the placement of the mapping directive relative to the virtual hosts
makes a diference of operation.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:36 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
started with that?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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Re: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread Ken Anderson
I'm assuming that you are using mod_ssl with Apache, and not running a 
separate SSL webserver like Stronghold, right???

I've not setup ApacheSSL/Tomcat before except with mod_webapp, but I 
have setup Apache/Tomcat with mod_jk as well (just not with ssl support).

Here's my 2 cents anyway:

The JkMount statements can go inside or outside a VirtualHost Block.

Outside - they will apply to all virtualhosts
Inside - they will apply to just that virtualhost
(mod_webapp and most other apache mods work this way)

So, if you have something like this:
JkMount /examples/*.jsp  ajp13

You should be able to place that inside your SSL VirtualHosts too.

VirtualHost xx.xx.xx.xx:443
SSL.
JkMount /examples/*.jsp  ajp13
/VirtualHost

Ken A.





Denise Mangano wrote:
The other JkMount statements that I have specified have al been placed
outside of the Virtual hosts directives, but I do not have one specified for
SSL.  Everything in the Tomcat documentation seems to discuss setting up SSL
on Tomcat acting as a standalone, which is not my situation.  I'm trying to
find something telling me how to formulate such a JkMount statement, but
can't seem to find anything.  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


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From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:43 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


I would imagine you do not need to switch to warp and the majority of the
list would say not to use warp.  I only use it due to the fact it is not
currently convenient for me to upgrade the perl on my HP-UX box to 5.05.

The only thing I had to do was to place the warp equivalent of JKMount in
the virtual host for the 443 port and I was off and running.  Do you place
the JKMount directive in each virtual host or do place them outside of all
virtual hosts so that the directive apply to all hosts?  I do know for JRUN
2.3.3, the placement of the mapping directive relative to the virtual hosts
makes a diference of operation.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:36 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
started with that?

Thanks.

Denise Mangano
Help Desk Analyst
Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



-Original Message-
From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread Milt Epstein
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Denise Mangano wrote:

 The other JkMount statements that I have specified have al been
 placed outside of the Virtual hosts directives, but I do not have
 one specified for SSL.

As the previous poster suggested, this is most likely your problem.
As with other directives, JkMount's are specific to the context in
which you place them in your httpd.conf.  If you want some to work
under https, you need to place them in the section of your httpd.conf
(probably a Virtual Host section) that applies to the https instance.

 Everything in the Tomcat documentation seems
 to discuss setting up SSL on Tomcat acting as a standalone, which is
 not my situation.

Right.  So none of that stuff is applicable to you.  If you are using
Tomcat standalone, then you need to set up SSL with Tomcat; if you are
using Tomcat behind Apache (or some other web server), you set up SSL
with Apache (or whatever web server you're using) and use that.

I'm trying to find something telling me how to
 formulate such a JkMount statement, but can't seem to find anything.
 Any suggestions?

See above.  You can control which webapps (and perhaps the components
thereof) are accessible via http and/or https by where you place the
relevant JkMount directives.  (Otherwise there is nothing different
between the JkMount directives you use in the http and https sections
of your httpd.conf.)


 -Original Message-
 From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:43 PM
 To: 'Tomcat Users List'
 Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


 I would imagine you do not need to switch to warp and the majority of the
 list would say not to use warp.  I only use it due to the fact it is not
 currently convenient for me to upgrade the perl on my HP-UX box to 5.05.

 The only thing I had to do was to place the warp equivalent of JKMount in
 the virtual host for the 443 port and I was off and running.  Do you place
 the JKMount directive in each virtual host or do place them outside of all
 virtual hosts so that the directive apply to all hosts?  I do know for JRUN
 2.3.3, the placement of the mapping directive relative to the virtual hosts
 makes a diference of operation.



 -Original Message-
 From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:36 PM
 To: 'Tomcat Users List'
 Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


 Can you fill me in a little on what you had to do, if anything, to get your
 webapps to come up with the https:// protocol.  Am I going to have to use
 the warp connector instead?  If so, could someone fill me in on how to get
 started with that?

 Thanks.

 Denise Mangano
 Help Desk Analyst
 Complus Data Innovations, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: PELOQUIN,JEFFREY (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:29 PM
 To: 'Tomcat Users List'
 Subject: RE: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


 We have a number of Apache/Tomcat webapps that run through SSL with the
 certificate only on the apache side.  However we are using the warp
 connector and if you are using mod_jk you may have a different behavior.



 -Original Message-
 From: Denise Mangano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:02 PM
 To: 'Tomcat Users List'
 Subject: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat


 Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
 good

 I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for. Apache
 is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app through
 https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to be secure
 as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you guess when
 I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server infinitely hangs.
 I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is not implemented...
 Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

 Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
 work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
 page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
 loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
 non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
 secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
 Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
 on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

 Thanks!

 Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
 on Friday's?? ; )

 Denise Mangano

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Re: SSL setup Apache - Tomcat

2002-12-20 Thread Chris McCabe
You should be able to get Tomcat and Apache to work together with SSL by 
using the JK connector.  In our experience, the JK connector is the only 
one that works.  The webapp connector truncates pages, and the JK2 
connector just does not work with https connections for some reason.

Keep in mind that when using Tomcat, you have one of the following 
situations:

Internet - Tomcat - Servlet
or
Internet - Apache - Tomcat - Servlet

You only need SSL between the Internet and whatever is talking to it, so 
if you are using Apache, it is the only piece that needs to talk SSL 
unless your Apache - Tomcat connection also goes over the internet 
(unlikely).  So don't worry about SSL within Tomcat.

You should be able to put your JkMount and LoadModule statements at the 
top level of your httpd.conf file and have it work for both http and 
https connections.  It seems to work that way for us anyway.

Chris

Denise Mangano wrote:

Ok, I  have been reading through the archives of this list and this is not
good

I have one registered domain for which I purchased a certificate for.
Apache is set up to use this certificate, and I can access my Apache app
through https://.  Now I added some JSP to my site, and I need this JSP to
be secure as well.  I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and as you
guess when I try to access https://mydomain.com/mywebapps the server
infinitely hangs.  I just finished reading how SSL from Apache to Tomcat is
not implemented...  Is this true?  Is the scenario I want not possible?

Can I set up my certificate separately in the Tomcat config files? Will this
work?  The Apache app processes a server side transaction and on the last
page the connection to my backend system is ended as the last page is
loaded.  This last page has a link that when clicked, only sends 2
non-critical variables to my JSP.  But as I mentioned I need this JSP to be
secure.  ... so even if the SSL connection is broken, then renewed on the
Tomcat side, that would be sufficient (both are under same domain name, and
on same physical box)... Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Btw...where is everyone today? Does the whole world besides me get off early
on Friday's?? ; )

Denise Mangano

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