Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[John Turner]

That's why...they're no longer being printed.  Anything you see on 
shelves or in stores is backstock.  Peer Information Services, which 
owned Wrox and several other publishing houses (like Friends of Ed) 
liquidated in March, 2003.

Apress and Wiley picked up most of the assetsthe books that will be 
supported will be reprinted using Apress and Wiley covers and get a new 
ISBN.  A perfect example of this is "Beginning Java Objects" by Jacquie 
Barker...it was a very popular Wrox book, it is now available as an 
Apress book with a different cover, different typesetting, different 
editorial team, etc.  The content is the same, and the copyright is 
still 2000.

Soif you see a Wrox book at full price, you can probably deal with 
the seller to get a discount if one isn't already offered.  The sad 
thing is, the authors will never see any of that money, so if you really 
want to support the authors and encourage similar titles, buy the Apress 
or Wiley version instead.

John

Darryl L. Pierce wrote:

John Turner wrote:

The book was never published.  The original publisher (Wrox) went out 
of business and liquidated assets.


Was this recently? Just this past weekend I picked up a Wrox press book 
(Java Data) and it was 50% off. All of their books at Borders were 50% off.



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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Darryl L. Pierce]

John Turner wrote:
The book was never published.  The original publisher (Wrox) went out of 
business and liquidated assets.
Was this recently? Just this past weekend I picked up a Wrox press book 
(Java Data) and it was 50% off. All of their books at Borders were 50% off.

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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Peter Lin]

If the book never gets out, I plan to write a 30-50
page paper based on the results of our benchmarks and
give it to the TC community. Hopefully it won't go
down the drain, since Remy and I spend over 2 months
doing a ton of benchmarks with all sorts of variations
and tuning options.

peter


--- Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Turner wrote:
> > The book was never published.  The original
> publisher (Wrox) went out of 
> > business and liquidated assets.
> > 
> > The rights to the performance handbook (and many
> other former Wrox 
> > titles including the security handbook) were
> picked up by Apress.  The 
> > rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I
> think Wiley is running 
> > wrox.com right now.
> > 
> > From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
> future of the 
> > performance book is undecided, though that could
> change at any moment. I 
> > for one think there is a need for such a book, but
> with Tomcat 5 coming 
> > out, it might need to be rewritten to address the
> new release.
> 
> As the coauthor of the said handbook (which is now
> indeed relatively out 
> of date), I am quite pissed at Wrox and APress (I
> still haven't been 
> paid a dime despite recurrent claims from APress for
> the past 4 months 
> that "they'll be coming back to me within a week").
> 
> So a big thank you to these folks for the nice
> support to OSS 
> contributors :-D (ok, I'm sarcastic)
> 
> -- 
> x
> Rémy Maucherat
> Senior Developer & Consultant
> JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL
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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Remy Maucherat]

John Turner wrote:
The book was never published.  The original publisher (Wrox) went out of 
business and liquidated assets.

The rights to the performance handbook (and many other former Wrox 
titles including the security handbook) were picked up by Apress.  The 
rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think Wiley is running 
wrox.com right now.

From the conversations I've had with Apress, the future of the 
performance book is undecided, though that could change at any moment. I 
for one think there is a need for such a book, but with Tomcat 5 coming 
out, it might need to be rewritten to address the new release.
As the coauthor of the said handbook (which is now indeed relatively out 
of date), I am quite pissed at Wrox and APress (I still haven't been 
paid a dime despite recurrent claims from APress for the past 4 months 
that "they'll be coming back to me within a week").

So a big thank you to these folks for the nice support to OSS 
contributors :-D (ok, I'm sarcastic)

--
x
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Senior Developer & Consultant
JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL
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RE: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Duncan Strang]

Jeez, the stuff you learn on this list...

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From: John Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook



Well, I guess we have to be more clear.  "Wrox" did not go out of 
business.  Peer Information Services did.  "Wrox" was just one of many 
names that Peer used to publish materials.

So, while there were lots of titles and lots of "great" Wrox books, that

is separate from whether the company called Peer Information Services 
was managed efficiently and wisely.

I'm no MBA, but if I were to call it, I would say it was a simple matter

of too big, too many, too fast.  They had offices in three countries 
(England, India, and US), lots of people, and lots of "hurry up and 
wait".  The overhead of managing all those titles had to be huge, and I 
can tell you from firsthand experience that every book probably had 30 
or 40 people involved (counting the authors) in getting it to press. 
For example, my contract was FedEx'd back and forth to India twice.  Not

a lot of money, but 3-6 authors per title and several hundred titles and

it starts to add up.  Even something as niche-oriented as the security 
handbook I worked on had 18 people and 5 authors for about 225 pages.

Without going into specifics, I can also say that Peer's royalty 
schedule was pretty poor in comparison to other publishers, so in that 
light they should have had more money to work with than one of the other

companies, but apparently that didn't make a difference.

John

Matt Fury wrote:

> How could Wrox go out of business? That doesn't sound
> right. They have 1001 titles and write great books!
> 
> Are you sure?
> 
> 
> --- John Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>The book was never published.  The original
>>publisher (Wrox) went out of
>>business and liquidated assets.
>>
>>The rights to the performance handbook (and many
>>other former Wrox
>>titles including the security handbook) were picked
>>up by Apress.  The 
>>rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think
>>Wiley is running 
>>wrox.com right now.
>>
>> From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
>>future of the
>>performance book is undecided, though that could
>>change at any moment. 
>>I for one think there is a need for such a book, but
>>with Tomcat 5 
>>coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address
>>the new release.
>>
>>John
>>
>>Flat Juas wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
>>>Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
>>>print. There are no used copies in ebay neither.
>>
>>Where
>>
>>>can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if
>>
>>it's a
>>
>>>used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
>>>recommend me other books about tomcat performance
>>
>>or
>>
>>>guide me to online resources about this subject ?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>
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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[John Turner]

Also, while the Wrox side of the business seemed to be thriving, there 
were several other publishing "arms" that may not have been doing much 
more than soaking up profits with little return.  As I said, "Wrox" was 
just one of many publishing names used by Peer.

John

John Turner wrote:
Well, I guess we have to be more clear.  "Wrox" did not go out of 
business.  Peer Information Services did.  "Wrox" was just one of many 
names that Peer used to publish materials.

So, while there were lots of titles and lots of "great" Wrox books, that 
is separate from whether the company called Peer Information Services 
was managed efficiently and wisely.

I'm no MBA, but if I were to call it, I would say it was a simple matter 
of too big, too many, too fast.  They had offices in three countries 
(England, India, and US), lots of people, and lots of "hurry up and 
wait".  The overhead of managing all those titles had to be huge, and I 
can tell you from firsthand experience that every book probably had 30 
or 40 people involved (counting the authors) in getting it to press. For 
example, my contract was FedEx'd back and forth to India twice.  Not a 
lot of money, but 3-6 authors per title and several hundred titles and 
it starts to add up.  Even something as niche-oriented as the security 
handbook I worked on had 18 people and 5 authors for about 225 pages.

Without going into specifics, I can also say that Peer's royalty 
schedule was pretty poor in comparison to other publishers, so in that 
light they should have had more money to work with than one of the other 
companies, but apparently that didn't make a difference.

John

Matt Fury wrote:

How could Wrox go out of business? That doesn't sound
right. They have 1001 titles and write great books!
Are you sure?

--- John Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The book was never published.  The original
publisher (Wrox) went out of business and liquidated assets.
The rights to the performance handbook (and many
other former Wrox titles including the security handbook) were picked
up by Apress.  The rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think
Wiley is running wrox.com right now.
From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
future of the performance book is undecided, though that could
change at any moment. I for one think there is a need for such a 
book, but
with Tomcat 5 coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address
the new release.

John

Flat Juas wrote:


Hi!

I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
print. There are no used copies in ebay neither.


Where

can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if


it's a

used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
recommend me other books about tomcat performance


or

guide me to online resources about this subject ?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[John Turner]

Well, I guess we have to be more clear.  "Wrox" did not go out of 
business.  Peer Information Services did.  "Wrox" was just one of many 
names that Peer used to publish materials.

So, while there were lots of titles and lots of "great" Wrox books, that 
is separate from whether the company called Peer Information Services 
was managed efficiently and wisely.

I'm no MBA, but if I were to call it, I would say it was a simple matter 
of too big, too many, too fast.  They had offices in three countries 
(England, India, and US), lots of people, and lots of "hurry up and 
wait".  The overhead of managing all those titles had to be huge, and I 
can tell you from firsthand experience that every book probably had 30 
or 40 people involved (counting the authors) in getting it to press. 
For example, my contract was FedEx'd back and forth to India twice.  Not 
a lot of money, but 3-6 authors per title and several hundred titles and 
it starts to add up.  Even something as niche-oriented as the security 
handbook I worked on had 18 people and 5 authors for about 225 pages.

Without going into specifics, I can also say that Peer's royalty 
schedule was pretty poor in comparison to other publishers, so in that 
light they should have had more money to work with than one of the other 
companies, but apparently that didn't make a difference.

John

Matt Fury wrote:

How could Wrox go out of business? That doesn't sound
right. They have 1001 titles and write great books!
Are you sure?

--- John Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The book was never published.  The original
publisher (Wrox) went out of 
business and liquidated assets.

The rights to the performance handbook (and many
other former Wrox 
titles including the security handbook) were picked
up by Apress.  The 
rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think
Wiley is running 
wrox.com right now.

From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
future of the 
performance book is undecided, though that could
change at any moment. 
I for one think there is a need for such a book, but
with Tomcat 5 
coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address
the new release.

John

Flat Juas wrote:


Hi!

I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
print. There are no used copies in ebay neither.
Where

can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if
it's a

used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
recommend me other books about tomcat performance
or

guide me to online resources about this subject ?

Thanks in advance

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RE: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Shapira, Yoav]

Howdy,
Just google for "wrox out of business" -- both the normal and sponsored
search results tell the tale...

Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics


>-Original Message-
>From: Matt Fury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:44 AM
>To: Tomcat Users List
>Subject: Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook
>
>How could Wrox go out of business? That doesn't sound
>right. They have 1001 titles and write great books!
>
>Are you sure?
>
>
>--- John Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The book was never published.  The original
>> publisher (Wrox) went out of
>> business and liquidated assets.
>>
>> The rights to the performance handbook (and many
>> other former Wrox
>> titles including the security handbook) were picked
>> up by Apress.  The
>> rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think
>> Wiley is running
>> wrox.com right now.
>>
>>  From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
>> future of the
>> performance book is undecided, though that could
>> change at any moment.
>> I for one think there is a need for such a book, but
>> with Tomcat 5
>> coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address
>> the new release.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Flat Juas wrote:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> >
>> >  I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
>> > Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
>> > print. There are no used copies in ebay neither.
>> Where
>> > can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if
>> it's a
>> > used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
>> > recommend me other books about tomcat performance
>> or
>> > guide me to online resources about this subject ?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance
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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Matt Fury]

How could Wrox go out of business? That doesn't sound
right. They have 1001 titles and write great books!

Are you sure?


--- John Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The book was never published.  The original
> publisher (Wrox) went out of 
> business and liquidated assets.
> 
> The rights to the performance handbook (and many
> other former Wrox 
> titles including the security handbook) were picked
> up by Apress.  The 
> rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think
> Wiley is running 
> wrox.com right now.
> 
>  From the conversations I've had with Apress, the
> future of the 
> performance book is undecided, though that could
> change at any moment. 
> I for one think there is a need for such a book, but
> with Tomcat 5 
> coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address
> the new release.
> 
> John
> 
> Flat Juas wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > 
> >  I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
> > Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
> > print. There are no used copies in ebay neither.
> Where
> > can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if
> it's a
> > used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
> > recommend me other books about tomcat performance
> or
> > guide me to online resources about this subject ?
> > 
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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[John Turner]

The book was never published.  The original publisher (Wrox) went out of 
business and liquidated assets.

The rights to the performance handbook (and many other former Wrox 
titles including the security handbook) were picked up by Apress.  The 
rights to the rest were picked up by Wiley.  I think Wiley is running 
wrox.com right now.

From the conversations I've had with Apress, the future of the 
performance book is undecided, though that could change at any moment. 
I for one think there is a need for such a book, but with Tomcat 5 
coming out, it might need to be rewritten to address the new release.

John

Flat Juas wrote:

Hi!

 I'm looking for the "Apache Tomcat Performance
Handbook", but in every shop I check it's out of
print. There are no used copies in ebay neither. Where
can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if it's a
used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
recommend me other books about tomcat performance or
guide me to online resources about this subject ?
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Re: Apache Tomcat Performance Handbook

[Christopher Williams]

The book was never published and Wrox have gone bust, I believe.

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> can I get a copy of this book (I don't mind if it's a
> used one) or buy a pdf version of it ? Can you
> recommend me other books about tomcat performance or
> guide me to online resources about this subject ?
> 
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