Re [ 4 ] : Charset encoding issue

2003-09-08 Thread Daniel H A Lima
Anton Tagunov wrote:

Hello, Lima!

Hi, Anton.

lccb I've found a message (at
lccb http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2001/Mar/msg00547.html) :
lccb Tomcat follows the HTML standard,
Hmm.., to me it looks like a browser issue, not Tomcat.
Hence its a bit OT here, but still we have started the
discussion :-)
(again, as I have suggested before, Lima, you may want
to spy your browser-tomcat traffic to make sure what bytes
are transferred exactly, then you'll be sure who is mangling
the data: Tomcat or browser, my feeling is that this is browser)
How can i spy the traffic between Tomcat and the browsers ?

lccb  which explicitly declares that MIME type
lccb application/x-www-form-urlencoded is suitable ONLY for transferring ASCII
practice seems to be different
lccb (but will of course work for ISO 8859-1 as well).
look, it's already funny: according to the standard
 application/x-www-form-urlencoded is suitable ONLY for transferring ASCII

but according to this message the existing software

 will of course work for ISO 8859-1
 
did you enjoy this of course? ;-)
lccb  See
lccb http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4.1
lccb It says:

lccb The content type application/x-www-form-urlencoded is inefficient
lccb for sending large quantities of binary data or text containing non-ASCII
lccb characters. The content type multipart/form-data should be used for
lccb submitting forms that contain files, non-ASCII data, and binary data.
Yup,  but in practice I  beleive that we have succeded many times
to send cyrillics this way. The browser was running on Windows
however. All the browsers (huh, do I remember it correctly?)
were using windows-1251 and koi8-r when the page was encoded with
the respective encoding).
?

lccb SO   : Red Hat Linux 9
I assume, both browser and Tomcat, right?
   Galeon, Mozilla and Tomcat running in Linux.

lccb Browsers : Galeon e Mozilla
lccb Reg. Settings: English
lccb Keyboard Set.: English (internacional)
lccb Locale   : Not modified. The JVM is using [us,EN], i think. But thats 
lccb   ok because i prefer to test my application without change
lccb locale to [pt,BR] (we never know when 2 webapp will run using differents
lccb locale settings)
what language are you typing in? what kind of characters get mungled?
 

   Characters from brazilian portuguese. Like 'á', 'ç', 'ã', ...

lccb ((3)) I don't know why page contentType + form enctype multipart is
lccb the only working combination but its ok for me. I just would like to
lccb understand it :-|
So do we :-)
 

   Thanks !



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Re: Re [ 4 ] : Charset encoding issue

2003-09-08 Thread Anton Tagunov
Hello Daniel!

Great to know you name at last, have not seen it
in your other posts! :-))

Sorry to have been addressig you by your surname!

DHAL  How can i spy the traffic between Tomcat and the browsers ?

Just the question I've been waiting for =)
There's view on it in my http://tagunov.tripod.com
page, somewhere down there. Tell if can't find it there.

Anton


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Re[4]: Charset encoding issue

2003-09-07 Thread Anton Tagunov
Hello, Lima!

lccb I've found a message (at
lccb http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2001/Mar/msg00547.html) :

lccb Tomcat follows the HTML standard,
Hmm.., to me it looks like a browser issue, not Tomcat.
Hence its a bit OT here, but still we have started the
discussion :-)

(again, as I have suggested before, Lima, you may want
to spy your browser-tomcat traffic to make sure what bytes
are transferred exactly, then you'll be sure who is mangling
the data: Tomcat or browser, my feeling is that this is browser)

lccb  which explicitly declares that MIME type
lccb application/x-www-form-urlencoded is suitable ONLY for transferring ASCII
practice seems to be different
lccb (but will of course work for ISO 8859-1 as well).
look, it's already funny: according to the standard

  application/x-www-form-urlencoded is suitable ONLY for transferring ASCII

but according to this message the existing software

  will of course work for ISO 8859-1
  
did you enjoy this of course? ;-)
lccb  See
lccb http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4.1
lccb It says:

lccb The content type application/x-www-form-urlencoded is inefficient
lccb for sending large quantities of binary data or text containing non-ASCII
lccb characters. The content type multipart/form-data should be used for
lccb submitting forms that contain files, non-ASCII data, and binary data.

Yup,  but in practice I  beleive that we have succeded many times
to send cyrillics this way. The browser was running on Windows
however. All the browsers (huh, do I remember it correctly?)
were using windows-1251 and koi8-r when the page was encoded with
the respective encoding).

lccb SO   : Red Hat Linux 9
I assume, both browser and Tomcat, right?
lccb Browsers : Galeon e Mozilla
lccb Reg. Settings: English
lccb Keyboard Set.: English (internacional)
lccb Locale   : Not modified. The JVM is using [us,EN], i think. But thats 
lccb   ok because i prefer to test my application without change
lccb locale to [pt,BR] (we never know when 2 webapp will run using differents
lccb locale settings)
what language are you typing in? what kind of characters get mungled?

lccb ((3)) I don't know why page contentType + form enctype multipart is
lccb the only working combination but its ok for me. I just would like to
lccb understand it :-|
So do we :-)


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