Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
www.cebik.com 73,Gerry, K8GT Julius Fazekas wrote: = L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008 Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://k4tcg.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 # From: W2PM To: Julius Fazekas Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting Who is LB?? Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before hi untimely > death. I found him engaging and informative. He was well thought of in East > Tennessee. > > > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found his website > invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the language was repetitive, but > the antennas built based on the articles were quite effective. My 40m half > square immediately comes to mind. "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a > favorite of mine. > > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas and he enjoyed > PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations than health issues. He was a > great advocate of modelling. That, of course, is still contentious to some > schools of thought. > > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and such, I know > I've been guilty of that and experienced it from others. With some, we > managed to get over the hump and find common ground, with others it hasn't > happened yet. > > > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and others share > and post useful information. They have helped me more than hindered... > > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this weekend in CQ WW > DX! > > 73, > Julius > > > > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://k4tcg.org/ > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > To: Mike(W5UC) > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and > did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would explain > why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly sure he did not > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly better off > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to their own > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer detractors > than I do. I have a series of posts with him about the Wouff Houng > which I treasure. > > 73, Guy. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) wrote: >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. >>> >>> Dave WX7G >>> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: >>> >> I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I >> don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped him an >> e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by accusing me of >> being demanding. I found another source to reference in solving my >> problem and moved on. >> >> 73, >> Mike, W5UC >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1/2 wave spacing vs. 1/4 wave
- Original Message - From: "Paul Christensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Topband: 1/2 wave spacing vs. 1/4 wave >> Again. i am not talking forward gain at any angle of radiation, i am >> talking gain at a specific angle. > > Wolf, the launch angle field strength immediately above the horizon is > going > to be determined primarily by the near and medium-distance ground > conductivity. Notwithstanding gain, nulls, etc between the two arrays, I > would be surprised if the elevation profile between 0 and 10 degrees would > change much unless there's a change in ground conductivity in the > different > directions of the arrays. > > Paul, W9AC A 1/2 wave will be less ground dependent, have a lower elevation peak over real ground and in most cases be a better low angle radiator. Not very practical on 160 however unless you move into an abandoned BCB site with a big tower. Carl KM1H Carl KM1H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: slow speed contester
Brian Contesters want to work everyone. No sane contester is going to ask why anyone enters. Get in there and enjoy yourself! If it takes a few tries to copy a call because they're speedy, that's OK. Another thing contesters want is new contesters. Myself I try to remember to slow down the keyer when responding to slow CW, thinking maybe the other fellow hasn't yet mastered the higher speeds. Just like me when I started out. Nobody's born with it. Similarly, contesters want their information to be copied the first time. Repeats are expensive time-wise. Another good reason to slow down to near the speed of the caller. Choose your calls wisely and you'll have a ball. The main thing is to jump in! While you're thinking about code speed please check out the CW Ops organization, cwops.org. CW Ops has a "CW Academy" whose purpose is to mentor folks at any level who want to improve CW speed and accuracy. The next 3 weekends are filled with CW contesting. Enjoy! -- 73 Art K6XT~~ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm. Brian wrote: Hi Folks: I'm a slow CW op (less than 10 WPM). Would it be worth my time to participate, or will my slow speed slow down other stations and while I add to the QRM? 73 Brian, KD6NRP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:00 -0500 > From: olin...@bellsouth.net > To: w...@suddenlink.net > CC: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > Extract: >I found LB to be a little enigmatic...I'm fairly sure he did not have the >health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > though he never complained...73, Guy. Indeed, his health was lacking, and probably increasingly so. While indoors, I was unable to converse with him at any length because he needed to excuse himself for cigarette breaks. 73, Charles, W2SH ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
Gents: A man much wiser than I once told me, "The difference between theory and practice in theory is less than the difference between theory and practice in practice." Caveat Amateur. 73 de Gene Smar AD3F - Original Message - From: To: "Julius Fazekas" ; "W2PM" ; "Mike(W5UC)" ; "Guy Olinger K2AV" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting IMHO word of caution: LB Cebik was a great modeler, has done lot of work modeling various antennas, configurations etc but have not built most of his models in real life with real wires and tubing. Granted, modeling programs are getting better and better, are a great tool especially for comparing some designs, but still do not 100% capture real life variables and one has to be cautious in trusting the modeling results as a gospel. Recent posts about ground, radials, counterpoise are one of the areas of possible discrepancies. Just like with the loading coils "controversy", the "ground thing" is a bit muddied up. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
IMHO word of caution: LB Cebik was a great modeler, has done lot of work modeling various antennas, configurations etc but have not built most of his models in real life with real wires and tubing. Granted, modeling programs are getting better and better, are a great tool especially for comparing some designs, but still do not 100% capture real life variables and one has to be cautious in trusting the modeling results as a gospel. Recent posts about ground, radials, counterpoise are one of the areas of possible discrepancies. Just like with the loading coils "controversy", the "ground thing" is a bit muddied up. Yuri, K3BU.us www.MVmanor.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Blaine Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting To: Julius Fazekas , W2PM Cc: "Mike(W5UC)" , Guy Olinger K2AV , topband@contesting.com > Cebik was one of the antenna greats. Co author of the ARRL > antenna handbook for some time. And a lot of his work is > preserved with > free access (you need to create a login though) on the cebik.com > web site. > > If you are serious about antennas, this is a great site. > > 73, Jeff ACØC > www.ac0c.com > > -Original Message- > From: Julius Fazekas > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:45 AM > To: W2PM > Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008 > > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://k4tcg.org/ > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > From: W2PM > To: Julius Fazekas > Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV > ; "topband@contesting.com" > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > Who is LB?? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: > > > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before > hi untimely death. I found him engaging and informative. He was > well > > thought of in East Tennessee. > > > > > > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found > his website invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the > language > > was repetitive, but the antennas built based on the articles > were quite effective. My 40m half square immediately comes to > mind. > > "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a favorite of mine. > > > > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas > and he enjoyed PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations > than > > health issues. He was a great advocate of modelling. That, of > course, is still contentious to some schools of thought. > > > > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and > such, I know I've been guilty of that and experienced it from > > others. With some, we managed to get over the hump and find > common ground, with others it hasn't happened yet. > > > > > > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and > others share and post useful information. They have helped me > more > > than hindered... > > > > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this > weekend in CQ WW DX! > > > > 73, > > Julius > > > > > > > > Julius Fazekas > > N2WN > > > > > > Tennessee Contest Group > > http://k4tcg.org/ > > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > > > > Tennessee QSO Party > > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > > > > > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > > To: Mike(W5UC) > > Cc: topband@contesting.com > > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > > > > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional > licenses and > > did commercial modeling for some number of customers, > including a lot > > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 > antennas. He > > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would > explain> why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly > sure he did not > > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly > better off > > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to > their own > > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer > detractors> than I do. I have a series of posts with him about > the Wouff Houng > > which I treasure. > > > > 73, Guy. > > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) > wrote: > >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: > >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. > >>> > >>> Dave WX7G > >>> On Nov 22, 201
Re: Topband: Groujd to Beverage or Beverage to ground
I mount the boxes just below the antennas which all terminates at a tree at both ends. Then short flexible leads with a drip loop to the SS screw terminals. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Topband: Groujd to Beverage or Beverage to ground > > > Ok.. the window line is run in as straight of a line as I gan manage.. wow > what a bunch > > of brush in the back 40! Now for the big question... > > > > Is it better to mount the transformer near the ground stake and take the > window line > > to the ground OR > > > > Is it better to leave the windowline and transformer at the 7 ft level and > take the ground > > connection down to the post. > > > > I think this might be intuitive but lets see what all of the experts say.. > > > > Thanks IN advance for any and all help > > > > Jim WA3MEJ > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11 > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1/2 wave spacing vs. 1/4 wave
That would be a function of a number of things unrelated to array topology. It could reflect difference in electrical tower height or how the array is phased. A properly designed vertical array will always have maximum vertical angle gain near zero degrees elevation. Theoretically the maximum gain is at zero but in the real world ground conductivity affects gain near zero degrees. When I say 'properly designed' it is not any reflection on any Ham's design. Vertical arrays can take a lot of work and design effort when built for professional use which is almost always broadcast. Another aspect of such an array is that they only work correctly at one frequency. A half wave spaced broadside array is probably the best for amateur use because the matching is very simple, just two 90 degree lines fed in parallel. As the frequency changes the pattern remains essentially the same except for some added side lobes but the match at the feed point changes. A tuner solves this problem and IMHO the feed lines should be open wire. In line arrays interact in a much more complex manner in part because of the closer element spacing. On 11/23/11 1:21 PM, Dr. Wolf Ostwald wrote: > hi reflectees ! > I guess i was not specific enough. I was stating that my 2 el broadside > array`s signal with 1/2 spacing must have lower angle of radiation than > my 3 el 1/4 wave spacing in line array. The farther the shot, the more > signal i get and produce with the 2el versus the 3 el in-line array. > East coast is neck to neck, westcoast up to 3 db in favour of the 2 el > half-wave spaced array in broadside config. > Again. i am not talking forward gain at any angle of radiation, i am > talking gain at a specific angle. > 73 de wolf df2py > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: feeding phased verticals at half wave spacing
Thanks to everyone for all the helpful information. i was certain that it could be done, and I thank you all for the detailed information. The 80m verticals are already there, I am using the two verticals independently, so all I need to do is buy a roll of coax, make the delay line, and think about making it switchable. (I am sharing the radial systems with a couple 160m inverted Ls that are fed using the Christman method.) Again thanks to all for your kindness. Dale N3BNA From: Don Kirk [mailto:wd8...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:47 PM To: dale.l...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: Topband: feeding phased verticals at half wave spacing Hello Dale, The ARRL Antenna Book that I have (19th edition) has the plots you are looking for, and they are in agreement with what I obtain using EZNEC for two vertical radiators spaced 1/2 wavelength apart. (if you have the ARRL Antenna Book look in the section that covers multi-element arrays). Nevertheless I went ahead and ran some models for you, and attached is a .pdf document that has the plots I created that should answer your question. When looking at my plots just imagine that one of the vertical elements is on the left hand side of the page with the second element on the right hand side of the page, and the angle that I mention is in regards to how the right hand element is being fed relative to the left hand element. Hope this helps. 73's Don Kirk (wd8dsb) -Original Message- From: Dale Long To: Topband Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00 pm Subject: Topband: feeding phased verticals at half wave spacing Gentlemen: I have been told repeatedly that phased verticals should be spaced 1/4 wavelength apart. Ok, I am willing to accept that. My question is if you have verticals that are 1/2 wave apart, would it not give some pattern, whatever that should be? If you were looking for an endfire pattern how should you feed such verticals? If you have specific questions, you may contact me directly at dale.l...@prodigy.net Thanks and 73, Dale N3BNA ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1/2 wave spacing vs. 1/4 wave
> Again. i am not talking forward gain at any angle of radiation, i am > talking gain at a specific angle. Wolf, the launch angle field strength immediately above the horizon is going to be determined primarily by the near and medium-distance ground conductivity. Notwithstanding gain, nulls, etc between the two arrays, I would be surprised if the elevation profile between 0 and 10 degrees would change much unless there's a change in ground conductivity in the different directions of the arrays. Paul, W9AC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: 1/2 wave spacing vs. 1/4 wave
hi reflectees ! I guess i was not specific enough. I was stating that my 2 el broadside array`s signal with 1/2 spacing must have lower angle of radiation than my 3 el 1/4 wave spacing in line array. The farther the shot, the more signal i get and produce with the 2el versus the 3 el in-line array. East coast is neck to neck, westcoast up to 3 db in favour of the 2 el half-wave spaced array in broadside config. Again. i am not talking forward gain at any angle of radiation, i am talking gain at a specific angle. 73 de wolf df2py ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Groujd to Beverage or Beverage to ground
Ok.. the window line is run in as straight of a line as I gan manage.. wow what a bunch of brush in the back 40! Now for the big question... Is it better to mount the transformer near the ground stake and take the window line to the ground OR Is it better to leave the windowline and transformer at the 7 ft level and take the ground connection down to the post. I think this might be intuitive but lets see what all of the experts say.. Thanks IN advance for any and all help Jim WA3MEJ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: slow speed contester
Brian, Look higher up in the bands (more true on the higher HF bands) - generally the speeds are lower there. 73, Jeff ACØC www.ac0c.com -Original Message- From: Craig Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:27 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: slow speed contester Brian There are also opportunities the next three weeks to hone cw skills: CQ WW this weekend ARRL 160 2-4 December. ARRL 10 meter 9-11 December The best way to learn is through application of your skills. Good luck and have fun! Craig K1QX Hi Folks: I'm a slow CW op (less than 10 WPM). Would it be worth my time to participate, or will my slow speed slow down other stations and while I add to the QRM? 73 Brian, KD6NRP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
Cebik was one of the antenna greats. Co author of the ARRL antenna handbook for some time. And a lot of his work is preserved with free access (you need to create a login though) on the cebik.com web site. If you are serious about antennas, this is a great site. 73, Jeff ACØC www.ac0c.com -Original Message- From: Julius Fazekas Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:45 AM To: W2PM Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008 Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://k4tcg.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 # From: W2PM To: Julius Fazekas Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting Who is LB?? Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before hi untimely > death. I found him engaging and informative. He was well > thought of in East Tennessee. > > > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found his website > invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the language > was repetitive, but the antennas built based on the articles were quite > effective. My 40m half square immediately comes to mind. > "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a favorite of mine. > > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas and he enjoyed > PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations than > health issues. He was a great advocate of modelling. That, of course, is > still contentious to some schools of thought. > > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and such, I know > I've been guilty of that and experienced it from > others. With some, we managed to get over the hump and find common ground, > with others it hasn't happened yet. > > > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and others share > and post useful information. They have helped me more > than hindered... > > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this weekend in CQ WW > DX! > > 73, > Julius > > > > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://k4tcg.org/ > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > To: Mike(W5UC) > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and > did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would explain > why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly sure he did not > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly better off > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to their own > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer detractors > than I do. I have a series of posts with him about the Wouff Houng > which I treasure. > > 73, Guy. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) wrote: >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. >>> >>> Dave WX7G >>> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: >>> >> I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I >> don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped him an >> e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by accusing me of >> being demanding. I found another source to reference in solving my >> problem and moved on. >> >> 73, >> Mike, W5UC >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008 Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://k4tcg.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 # From: W2PM To: Julius Fazekas Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting Who is LB?? Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before hi untimely > death. I found him engaging and informative. He was well thought of in East > Tennessee. > > > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found his website > invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the language was repetitive, but > the antennas built based on the articles were quite effective. My 40m half > square immediately comes to mind. "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a > favorite of mine. > > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas and he enjoyed > PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations than health issues. He was a > great advocate of modelling. That, of course, is still contentious to some > schools of thought. > > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and such, I know > I've been guilty of that and experienced it from others. With some, we > managed to get over the hump and find common ground, with others it hasn't > happened yet. > > > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and others share > and post useful information. They have helped me more than hindered... > > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this weekend in CQ WW > DX! > > 73, > Julius > > > > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://k4tcg.org/ > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > To: Mike(W5UC) > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and > did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would explain > why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly sure he did not > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly better off > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to their own > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer detractors > than I do. I have a series of posts with him about the Wouff Houng > which I treasure. > > 73, Guy. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) wrote: >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. >>> >>> Dave WX7G >>> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: >>> >> I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I >> don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped him an >> e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by accusing me of >> being demanding. I found another source to reference in solving my >> problem and moved on. >> >> 73, >> Mike, W5UC >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: slow speed contester
Brian There are also opportunities the next three weeks to hone cw skills: CQ WW this weekend ARRL 160 2-4 December. ARRL 10 meter 9-11 December The best way to learn is through application of your skills. Good luck and have fun! Craig K1QX Hi Folks: I'm a slow CW op (less than 10 WPM). Would it be worth my time to participate, or will my slow speed slow down other stations and while I add to the QRM? 73 Brian, KD6NRP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: The 16th Stew Perry TopBand DX Challenge
The correct procedure is that the faster operator should slow down to accomodate the slower operator. 73, Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: kd6...@earthlink.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Topband: The 16th Stew Perry TopBand DX Challenge Hi Folks: I'm a slow CW op (less than 10 WPM). Would it be worth my time to participate, or will my slow speed slow down other stations and while I add to the QRM? 73 Brian, KD6NRP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
Who is LB?? Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote: > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before hi untimely > death. I found him engaging and informative. He was well thought of in East > Tennessee. > > > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found his website > invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the language was repetitive, but > the antennas built based on the articles were quite effective. My 40m half > square immediately comes to mind. "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a > favorite of mine. > > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas and he enjoyed > PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations than health issues. He was a > great advocate of modelling. That, of course, is still contentious to some > schools of thought. > > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and such, I know > I've been guilty of that and experienced it from others. With some, we > managed to get over the hump and find common ground, with others it hasn't > happened yet. > > > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and others share > and post useful information. They have helped me more than hindered... > > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this weekend in CQ WW > DX! > > 73, > Julius > > > > Julius Fazekas > N2WN > > > Tennessee Contest Group > http://k4tcg.org/ > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en > > > Tennessee QSO Party > http://www.tnqp.org/ > > > Elecraft K2 #4455 > Elecraft K3/100 #366 > Elecraft K3/100 # > > > > From: Guy Olinger K2AV > To: Mike(W5UC) > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting > > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? > > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and > did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would explain > why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly sure he did not > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly better off > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to their own > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer detractors > than I do. I have a series of posts with him about the Wouff Houng > which I treasure. > > 73, Guy. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) wrote: >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. >>> >>> Dave WX7G >>> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: >>> >> I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I >> don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped him an >> e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by accusing me of >> being demanding. I found another source to reference in solving my >> problem and moved on. >> >> 73, >> Mike, W5UC >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before hi untimely death. I found him engaging and informative. He was well thought of in East Tennessee. I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found his website invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the language was repetitive, but the antennas built based on the articles were quite effective. My 40m half square immediately comes to mind. "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a favorite of mine. He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas and he enjoyed PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations than health issues. He was a great advocate of modelling. That, of course, is still contentious to some schools of thought. As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and such, I know I've been guilty of that and experienced it from others. With some, we managed to get over the hump and find common ground, with others it hasn't happened yet. I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and others share and post useful information. They have helped me more than hindered... Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this weekend in CQ WW DX! 73, Julius Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://k4tcg.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 # From: Guy Olinger K2AV To: Mike(W5UC) Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what? His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional licenses and did commercial modeling for some number of customers, including a lot of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12 antennas. He did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would explain why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly sure he did not have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires, though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly better off for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to their own assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer detractors than I do. I have a series of posts with him about the Wouff Houng which I treasure. 73, Guy. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC) wrote: > On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: >> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer. >> >> Dave WX7G >> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote: >> > I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published something((I > don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous, and I dropped him an > e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by accusing me of > being demanding. I found another source to reference in solving my > problem and moved on. > > 73, > Mike, W5UC > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
