Re: Topband: Nice QRPP QSO
On 2011-12-12, at 8:27 AM, N1BUG wrote: To me, 1.800 to 1.810 seems an ideal place for casual QRP and CW operation where DX outside North America is not the goal. Hi Paul, Yes, I agree totally... It can be very difficult to locate any ...free space on the band if all you want is a casual QSO: many is the time that I've had a leisurely rag chew interrupted below 1820-KHz with a terse, QSY DX HR directed my way---even after an already well-established QSO with another domestic station. Having had some modicum of experience as to the general operating habits on the band, I can appreciate such a sudden plaintive plea---but a newcomer to 1.8-MHz may not, he could well interpret such comments as being rude, and dismissive. That's why the bottom 10-KHz of Topband is, IMHO, the ideal safe haven for those whose interests might be different from the goals ambitions of what appears to be the vast majority of its up-band CW denizens, i.e. DX'ing... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna
Silver plated, stranded Teflon wire is readily available. I have #14 and 12 available. Email me with a length needed and I'll give you a price with postage. I dont have any T300A-2 left but do have plenty of T225B-2's. Or you can wait until next summer and save on the postage (-: My wife is a Newfie! Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Frank Davis fda...@nfld.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:42 AM Subject: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna I have been reading with interest the thread above . My confined space backyard and very irregular, minimalist radial field is driving me to want to try the FCP with my existing Inv L. A source for the T300A-2 and wire is clear to me but where would one order the teflon tubing for the wire and the tape to wrap the core.? 73 Frank VO1HP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4075 - Release Date: 12/11/11 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower
Hi Bob, If I recall (correctly).and you should double check The D40 is completely isolated from the mast, so it would be nearly invisible to your 160m RF...given all the other loading you have going on there. I don't know a thing about the Optibeam...is it also isolated or grounded? I am guessing grounded, as you now have a change. If that IS the case, you'll need more capacitance to counteract the loading you've added. As to the amount, I could only hazard a guess. If you've maxxed out your 1000pF air variable, you can add some random length of RG-214 or other coax in parallel and start hacking off a foot at a time, and then tweak with the cap as neccessary. It's cheap and saves climbing ! I forget at the moment how many pF RG-214 or other similar dielectric coax is, but maybe 10-15pF per foot springs to mind. Try adding 10 or 15' on and see what you can do with your cap. My brain is still numb from ARRL-10 CW this weekend...I keep hearing T E S T, V E 9 A A in my ears , hi ! DIT dit, MIke - Original Message - From: Bob Garrett To: 'Jim F.' ; 'top Band' Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hello Topbanders, It is getting cold in the Northeast and as I get older, I dislike the cold even more. In April of this year, I replaced my Cush craft D40 40 meter rotable dipole with an OptiBeam OB-4030 dipole for 30 and 40 meters right at the top of the mast. The overall length of the antenna is about ten feet longer and I am assuming that it has added some additional capacitance to my 100 foot shunt fed tower with a Cush craft X7, A3WS, 5 EL M2 6 meter yagi and the new OptiBeam dipole. My match on the tower went from 1.0 x 1. To 1.9 x 1 after I installed the new antenna. In terms of loss, this isn't a huge change but my amplifier doesn't like the change. Before I spend a lot of time running back and forth to the tower making random changes, any thoughts as to what I can do to improve the match. I'm currently using one series capacitor 1000PF for the matching network. I have attempted to adjust this capacitor but it looks like the 1.9 x 1 is the low point. Perhaps some thoughts - increase or decrease the spacing of the shunt wire? Move the connection up or down on the tower? Before I get to crazy, just wanted to look to the base of knowledge on this reflector for your input. 73 and tnx in advance. Bob K3UL ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 20:51:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower
If I recall (correctly).and you should double check The D40 is completely isolated from the mast, Any coax fed antenna is never isolated from the tower/mast unless the antenna switch/antenna relay is a double pole design and contained in an insulated (non-conductive) case. Even then, there is generally enough capacitive coupling between the tower and shield of the bundled coax that the shield leg of the antenna/driven element will top load the tower. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/12/2011 10:29 AM, Mike Coreen Smith wrote: Hi Bob, If I recall (correctly).and you should double check The D40 is completely isolated from the mast, so it would be nearly invisible to your 160m RF...given all the other loading you have going on there. I don't know a thing about the Optibeam...is it also isolated or grounded? I am guessing grounded, as you now have a change. If that IS the case, you'll need more capacitance to counteract the loading you've added. As to the amount, I could only hazard a guess. If you've maxxed out your 1000pF air variable, you can add some random length of RG-214 or other coax in parallel and start hacking off a foot at a time, and then tweak with the cap as neccessary. It's cheap and saves climbing ! I forget at the moment how many pF RG-214 or other similar dielectric coax is, but maybe 10-15pF per foot springs to mind. Try adding 10 or 15' on and see what you can do with your cap. My brain is still numb from ARRL-10 CW this weekend...I keep hearing T E S T, V E 9 A A in my ears , hi ! DIT dit, MIke - Original Message - From: Bob Garrett To: 'Jim F.' ; 'top Band' Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hello Topbanders, It is getting cold in the Northeast and as I get older, I dislike the cold even more. In April of this year, I replaced my Cush craft D40 40 meter rotable dipole with an OptiBeam OB-4030 dipole for 30 and 40 meters right at the top of the mast. The overall length of the antenna is about ten feet longer and I am assuming that it has added some additional capacitance to my 100 foot shunt fed tower with a Cush craft X7, A3WS, 5 EL M2 6 meter yagi and the new OptiBeam dipole. My match on the tower went from 1.0 x 1. To 1.9 x 1 after I installed the new antenna. In terms of loss, this isn't a huge change but my amplifier doesn't like the change. Before I spend a lot of time running back and forth to the tower making random changes, any thoughts as to what I can do to improve the match. I'm currently using one series capacitor 1000PF for the matching network. I have attempted to adjust this capacitor but it looks like the 1.9 x 1 is the low point. Perhaps some thoughts - increase or decrease the spacing of the shunt wire? Move the connection up or down on the tower? Before I get to crazy, just wanted to look to the base of knowledge on this reflector for your input. 73 and tnx in advance. Bob K3UL ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 20:51:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Nice QRPP QSO
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 08:27 -0500, N1BUG wrote: QRP may be fun for the QRP station but it's often a PITA for the station on the other end. I'm sure that's true in some cases, but QRP'ers take heart! There are some, myself included, who enjoy the challenge of trying to dig a very weak signal from the noise. I suppose that is why I gravitated toward EME, 160m DX, 6m DX, anywhere else I am likely have to really dig stuff out. It's also one reason I don't enjoy digital modes - it robs me of the challenge and fun of using my brain to decode something which is at the very limit of audibility. To each their own! Personally, I'd get more enjoyment out of watching paint dry. As for band plans, I think we've seen some very sensible comments in this thread about utilizing the band but being mindful of the enjoyment of others. Over the past several years, with low solar activity, the 1.810 to 1.835 segment was crammed to the brink with DX and people calling for DX. This was especially true around and just after sunset here in New England. This year, with solar activity on the rise and topband conditions well down from what we've seen of late, it seems far less busy. I will add that 1.810 to 1.820 is a favorite among DX stations in Southeast Asia trying to work North America, especially the east coast. These signals are almost always VERY weak and fleeting, making this activity is especially vulnerable to QRM. I admit I've had mixed feelings about where to put digital. Below 1.810 seems unfair as most of the world cannot operate there. Given the available options, I don't see any better option that the 1.835 t0 1.840 segment where most of it is now. To me, 1.800 to 1.810 seems an ideal place for casual QRP and CW operation where DX outside North America is not the goal. As I am weening myself from the much beloved pursuit of DX (not easy!), I went looking for and found a new interest: building of vintage/antique gear. Having been an avid topband DXer for many years, I plan to stay below 1.810 when on the air with my homebrew antique rigs. I hope to work a few of you down there eventually. I've not yet wound a set of 160 meter coils for my recently completed 1929 TNT transmitter, so I'm stuck on 80 meters at the moment. 73, Paul N1BUG ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK Hi Paul, I'm newly trying to get on 160 meters. I do operate QRP and sometimes QRPp. I am not really discouraged by comments I see on this or any other list. I have been running with QRP as my first choice since 1980. I *know* there are some hams who can hear me but they choose to NOT work a weak signal. At least they don't interfere. So I have no complaints about that. To each his own. When I bought that Ten Tec Argonaut 509 back then I soon made boots for it consisting of a 6146B and associated circuitry to maintain QSK operation. Sometimes QRP is just not appropriate. I don't have and I don't want legal limit amplifiers here. I have always been able to operate somewhere in the one or another of the ham bands with ~100 watts or much, much less. That included my participation in traffic nets. heresy I'm not much of a contester. Some of the things I encounter in contests really disgust me. That is not intended to change anybody's mind about how they operate in contests. /heresy I do operate in contests. The more casual the contest the longer I stay in. I am working toward improving my portable operation capability for several reasons and one of those is providing counties or grid squares that are difficult to get to stations that need them for - contests. I'm in Roscommon county in Michigan and it's only three miles to Missaukee County and four miles to a State Forest campground/park there. Aside from offering paper to other hams .. it's fun. In my preparations to get active on Top Band I have found lots of useful information from all of the threads on this list. I can't load an antenna here yet but I have been listening and I have the general idea about who operates where and the day/night/gray line thing about when. I an pretty sure I am going to like 160 when I finally get those wires up. When the band is crowded and/or I've had my fill of the current contest there are always the WARC bands grin. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Nice QRP QSO
On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:03 PM, ZR wrote: QRP can be fun and I guess I'll never understand the type of operator who needs a 3CX15000 and a world class antenna farm to boost his ego. Carl, QRP may be fun for the QRP station but it's often a PITA for the station on the other end. I'm not saying that most of us need a KW on CW, I sold my SB220 in 1974. But I hate trying to dig some station out of the mud to get 50% copy just so that he can get his jollies with miles per milliwatt. Yes, I've operated a little QRP and decided it wasn't fair to the stations on the other end. Obviously, YMMV. 73, Ken WA8JXM Ken: Sure, but the fact is, nobody forces anybody to dig out a QRP caller. A lot of QRP calls undoubtedly get ignored as too weak to bother with. One has to assume that, if the station on the other end responds and works hard to complete the QSO, he enjoys the challenge of weak signal work. In that situation, the satisfaction of closing the deal is (or should be) mutual. Mark -- WA9ETW ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower
AFAIK all Optibeam elements are always isolated from the boom. So there shouldn't be any additional toploading from them (elements), just the loading from the boom should be considered 73 Tom DL2OBO (T88DL) Carsten-Thomas Dauer ( Tom ) c/o Hotel Hellers Krug Altendorfer Str. 19 D-37603 Holzminden www.dl2obo.com Ham-Radio www.hotel-hellers-krug.de my hotel / rent-a-shack www.carstendauer.dephotografy -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Coreen Smith Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2011 16:30 An: topband@contesting.com Betreff: Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hi Bob, If I recall (correctly).and you should double check The D40 is completely isolated from the mast, so it would be nearly invisible to your 160m RF...given all the other loading you have going on there. I don't know a thing about the Optibeam...is it also isolated or grounded? I am guessing grounded, as you now have a change. If that IS the case, you'll need more capacitance to counteract the loading you've added. As to the amount, I could only hazard a guess. If you've maxxed out your 1000pF air variable, you can add some random length of RG-214 or other coax in parallel and start hacking off a foot at a time, and then tweak with the cap as neccessary. It's cheap and saves climbing ! I forget at the moment how many pF RG-214 or other similar dielectric coax is, but maybe 10-15pF per foot springs to mind. Try adding 10 or 15' on and see what you can do with your cap. My brain is still numb from ARRL-10 CW this weekend...I keep hearing T E S T, V E 9 A A in my ears , hi ! DIT dit, MIke - Original Message - From: Bob Garrett To: 'Jim F.' ; 'top Band' Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hello Topbanders, It is getting cold in the Northeast and as I get older, I dislike the cold even more. In April of this year, I replaced my Cush craft D40 40 meter rotable dipole with an OptiBeam OB-4030 dipole for 30 and 40 meters right at the top of the mast. The overall length of the antenna is about ten feet longer and I am assuming that it has added some additional capacitance to my 100 foot shunt fed tower with a Cush craft X7, A3WS, 5 EL M2 6 meter yagi and the new OptiBeam dipole. My match on the tower went from 1.0 x 1. To 1.9 x 1 after I installed the new antenna. In terms of loss, this isn't a huge change but my amplifier doesn't like the change. Before I spend a lot of time running back and forth to the tower making random changes, any thoughts as to what I can do to improve the match. I'm currently using one series capacitor 1000PF for the matching network. I have attempted to adjust this capacitor but it looks like the 1.9 x 1 is the low point. Perhaps some thoughts - increase or decrease the spacing of the shunt wire? Move the connection up or down on the tower? Before I get to crazy, just wanted to look to the base of knowledge on this reflector for your input. 73 and tnx in advance. Bob K3UL ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 20:51:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Nice QRP QSO
On 2011-12-12, at 10:10 AM, lmlangenfeld tds.net wrote: Sure, but the fact is, nobody forces anybody to dig out a QRP caller. A lot of QRP calls undoubtedly get ignored as too weak to bother with. Hi All, That sort of logic on the part of some Hams, though no doubt true, just completely escapes me... I liken it to deliberately stepping over a shiny new quarter that one sees lying on a sidewalk: money IS money, and the frugal person inside of me would never, ever allow me to do such a thing as to step over it...ditto a weak caller in a contest: a QRP participant is still worth points in a contest, so why on earth would one ignore him simply because he might be weak...? If anything, I personally go out of my way to work weak callers: it can be as much a challenge for me, as it is for him! That's why whenever someone signs their call with /QRP I'll strain to put him first in my log... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower
Yuri, I would have to put this antenna on a different tower as I depend on my beam to give me toploading for 160...unless, they have away of connecting the elements at the center to the boom via small coils or chokes. Without top loading my vertical on 160 becomes about 25% shorter and less efficientHerb On 12/12/2011 12:38 PM, DL2OBO wrote: AFAIK all Optibeam elements are always isolated from the boom. So there shouldn't be any additional toploading from them (elements), just the loading from the boom should be considered 73 Tom ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Nice QRP QSO
I go out of my way to work the weak signals simply 'cuz I am a QRP operator and I'm always assuming a weak signal is a QRP station - sometimes, he/she isn't but they still want that QSO just as we do! P.S. I don't sign /QRP - don't figure I need to and if THAT's what it takes to make a Q - fugeddaboutit! Hi Hi Jim R. K9JWV From: deswy...@xplornet.ca Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:43:40 -0500 To: lmlangenf...@tds.net CC: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Nice QRP QSO On 2011-12-12, at 10:10 AM, lmlangenfeld tds.net wrote: Sure, but the fact is, nobody forces anybody to dig out a QRP caller. A lot of QRP calls undoubtedly get ignored as too weak to bother with. Hi All, That sort of logic on the part of some Hams, though no doubt true, just completely escapes me... I liken it to deliberately stepping over a shiny new quarter that one sees lying on a sidewalk: money IS money, and the frugal person inside of me would never, ever allow me to do such a thing as to step over it...ditto a weak caller in a contest: a QRP participant is still worth points in a contest, so why on earth would one ignore him simply because he might be weak...? If anything, I personally go out of my way to work weak callers: it can be as much a challenge for me, as it is for him! That's why whenever someone signs their call with /QRP I'll strain to put him first in my log... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: QRP Question
Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower
The best way to handle the problem is to assume the new antenna made an impact on the match. The first step would be to measure the actual resistance and if it is not 50 ohms, reset the tap for 50 ohms. Then measure the J again and you can easily calculate the amount of C required to cancel the J. Anything else is just guessing. On 12/12/11 11:38 AM, DL2OBO wrote: AFAIK all Optibeam elements are always isolated from the boom. So there shouldn't be any additional toploading from them (elements), just the loading from the boom should be considered 73 Tom DL2OBO (T88DL) Carsten-Thomas Dauer ( Tom ) c/o Hotel Hellers Krug Altendorfer Str. 19 D-37603 Holzminden www.dl2obo.com Ham-Radio www.hotel-hellers-krug.de my hotel / rent-a-shack www.carstendauer.dephotografy -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Coreen Smith Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2011 16:30 An: topband@contesting.com Betreff: Re: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hi Bob, If I recall (correctly).and you should double check The D40 is completely isolated from the mast, so it would be nearly invisible to your 160m RF...given all the other loading you have going on there. I don't know a thing about the Optibeam...is it also isolated or grounded? I am guessing grounded, as you now have a change. If that IS the case, you'll need more capacitance to counteract the loading you've added. As to the amount, I could only hazard a guess. If you've maxxed out your 1000pF air variable, you can add some random length of RG-214 or other coax in parallel and start hacking off a foot at a time, and then tweak with the cap as neccessary. It's cheap and saves climbing ! I forget at the moment how many pF RG-214 or other similar dielectric coax is, but maybe 10-15pF per foot springs to mind. Try adding 10 or 15' on and see what you can do with your cap. My brain is still numb from ARRL-10 CW this weekend...I keep hearing T E S T, V E 9 A A in my ears , hi ! DIT dit, MIke - Original Message - From: Bob Garrett To: 'Jim F.' ; 'top Band' Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: Topband: Changes To My Shunt Fed Tower Hello Topbanders, It is getting cold in the Northeast and as I get older, I dislike the cold even more. In April of this year, I replaced my Cush craft D40 40 meter rotable dipole with an OptiBeam OB-4030 dipole for 30 and 40 meters right at the top of the mast. The overall length of the antenna is about ten feet longer and I am assuming that it has added some additional capacitance to my 100 foot shunt fed tower with a Cush craft X7, A3WS, 5 EL M2 6 meter yagi and the new OptiBeam dipole. My match on the tower went from 1.0 x 1. To 1.9 x 1 after I installed the new antenna. In terms of loss, this isn't a huge change but my amplifier doesn't like the change. Before I spend a lot of time running back and forth to the tower making random changes, any thoughts as to what I can do to improve the match. I'm currently using one series capacitor 1000PF for the matching network. I have attempted to adjust this capacitor but it looks like the 1.9 x 1 is the low point. Perhaps some thoughts - increase or decrease the spacing of the shunt wire? Move the connection up or down on the tower? Before I get to crazy, just wanted to look to the base of knowledge on this reflector for your input. 73 and tnx in advance. Bob K3UL ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 20:51:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:58 AM, W0UCE wrote: So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. I think it is a plea to accept their weak signal and work them. Or an explanation as to why they are so weak. For some, it may be a brag. Ken WA8JXM ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember right now.. 73 Ronald LA3ANA Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCE w0...@nc.rr.com: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from country to country. Sending /qrp just takes up more time and adds more difficulty when signals are very very weak. I also agree that those making contacts with QRP stations should be getting the bonuses for doing most of the work not the other way around. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:07 AM, Ronald Raasch wrote: To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember right now.. 73 Ronald LA3ANA Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCEw0...@nc.rr.com: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
On 12/12/2011 16 58, W0UCE wrote: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack Jack, I've had folks ask me to identify them as /QRP when QSLing them. I tell them that I have to way to tell if they were QRP or not. Only they hold the key to that. Dave Heil K8MN - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4676 - Release Date: 12/12/11 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Hello Jack! I think it makes sense to use /QRP! As someone has written here before, there are some (good!) operators out here, who always come back to people sending /QRP first when they hear this extension. This helps a lot! I made some QRP QSOs with ZL on 40m during contest, in EU pile-up...and made it through. Why? The stations on the other side got my /QRP and transmitted QRX QRX QRX nw /QRP /QRP kn kn. Making QSOs (specially DX) with QRP is a challenge for the QRPers, but the greatest honour is at the station on the other side, picking out the QRPer thousands of miles away. And a /QRP is defining your output exactly: 5W or less in CW. 4 charcters! This is much faster to transport then doing it after the report (my pwr) But it's an old discussion. Some of the latest DX-peditions made QSOs with me using /QRP after my call in the confirmation, but had decided not lo log this extension. They left it away in their log. The Q's showed up in the DJ5RE log. I was pretty unhappy at first, but I found my piece concerning that problem in knowing what I used during the QSO. But I am happy about every QSO that has printed /QRP or /QRPP on it, when I used it. Crossing the atlantic with 100mW is still very exciting for me, and having it confirmed on a card is a great thing. My 2 cents... 73s (and often 72s) from Bavaria! Tom, DJ5RE - Original Message - From: W0UCE w0...@nc.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Topband: QRP Question Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Many are just looking for an edge to be heard in a pileup and I have heard it work. I don't listen for QRP or Mobile or whatever. I just want a callsign. Many times QRP stations are just as loud as the rest, same with mobiles. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:23 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert Reynolds starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my opinion, those operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, their equipment or their antenna! Something has them thinking small about themselves and that couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of themselves or their equipment. But - can't help 'em From: w0...@nc.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: Topband: QRP Question Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Jack, The great thing about chasing DX on TB is that soon one chooses to eschew superfluous or confusing transmission of CW characters because they hinder. I am glad you brought this issue up and I believe the reason in some cases with QRPers could be that the flea power insecurity syndrome abounds and needs to be mollified. Most experienced seasoned QRPers would never use the /QRP appendage but rather would personally cherish the contact they made with 5 watts or less. No need to explain away anything. There is also perhaps a feeling that a weak signal must be explained away so the QRP'er is held blameless for not having what it takes to be adequate, or I am impotent because I choose not to be potent. In the past days of amateur radio S1 or S2 was categorized as weak. (On160 with DX who cares in you can work them?) However, using the term weak is considered today to lack political correctness and unkind. Today the term hams use to describe a weak signal is You are light with me. Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of Roger in place of over or go ahead. To which I always remark...my name is Herb, not Roger... Roger? The whole thing is now turned upside down and some insist we no longer refer to each others as top-banders but instead we are instead 'low-banders'. 73, Herb KV4FZ On 12/12/2011 12:58 PM, W0UCE wrote: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
to me running QRP in 160m contests is the great equalizer. my NC183 is now the equal of the FT12000 MKVII MODXXX with 35 roofing filters. my ARC5 with VR150 regulated voltage sounds no different than the K3 etcetcetc. all the electronic logging in the world doesn't do better than a simple lead pencil if all you can make is 12 contacts in a CQWW contest. mike w7dra LifeLock® Official Site Identity Theft Can Happen to Anyone So Get Protection with LifeLock. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee64674ef80e9e5b00st05vuc ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: QRP'ers
Why do all these people give a rip if someone gets satisfaction working somebody a long distance with low power I have a friend who enjoys working QRP But he is on the east coast and I am envious I can't. I takes skill and timing getting a QRP signal over the top of those who think they need Multi kilowatts to work DX. on 160 mtrs. IMPO .. .. PS I used to erk some phone operators when novices had 50 Kc on the top end of the novice segment of 15 Mtrs when I was a Novice running abt 15 wts, my WN8 call seemed to be a passport to get a contact with DX using CW with stations on phone when they called CQ. I think some operators to the north and east of us gripped to the FCC and got that section taken away from the Novices. ED K8OT ex WN8IOT ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna
Stick with the T300A-2 and twenty bifilar turns if you want the inductive residual of the isolation transformer to mirror the capacitive residual of the folded counterpoise for the simple installation with roughly 130 feet plus or minus, after the pruning. Working on getting the Wireman to stock the tubing to go with the double polyimide wire. 73, Guy. On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:36 AM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: Silver plated, stranded Teflon wire is readily available. I have #14 and 12 available. Email me with a length needed and I'll give you a price with postage. I dont have any T300A-2 left but do have plenty of T225B-2's. Or you can wait until next summer and save on the postage (-: My wife is a Newfie! Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Frank Davis fda...@nfld.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:42 AM Subject: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna I have been reading with interest the thread above . My confined space backyard and very irregular, minimalist radial field is driving me to want to try the FCP with my existing Inv L. A source for the T300A-2 and wire is clear to me but where would one order the teflon tubing for the wire and the tape to wrap the core.? 73 Frank VO1HP ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4075 - Release Date: 12/11/11 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
Gary, I'm currently using Thomas Betts compression connectors on both flooded and normal RG6. The tools I'm using were purchased at Lowe's for ~$20 each. One is a stripper, specific to RG-6. The compression tool is designed for the TB connectors and RG-6 cable. Strip the cable so that 1/4 inch of center is exposed, and 1/4 inch of outer insulation behind that is removed. Fold back the outer shield metal so that it lays flat on the cable jacket, away from the exposed dielectric and center conductor. I've been leaving the foil shield intact on the dielectric. Push the connector onto the prepared cable so that the center conductor is flush with the outer shell of the connector (or protruding a short distance beyond) and the dielectric is lined up with the end of the smaller diameter hole inside the connector. Basically, when you screw on the female connector, you want the dielectric to just butt up to the dielectric of the female connector. It does take some force to push the connector on. The tools do not do this for you. Only when all the pieces are lined up should the compression ring be engaged with the compression tool. Compress until the rubber O-ring is no longer visible. Hope that helps. -Jeff W0ODS Cedar Rapids, IA From: Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com To: TOPBAND@CONTESTING.COM Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors I figure someone here knows the answer, I want to put better connectors on my flooded RG-6/U coax going to my Hi-Z triangular assembly. I bought a used tool like this off fleabay http://tinyurl.com/7vr5kvn and 100 connectors (It's a long life...) You put the coax in the stripper and two blades cut the jacket, removing just the right amount of vinyl and simultaneously cutting down to the center wire at the right place. Then you put the connector with the coax in it ready to be compressed and you squeeze and it locks the connector. Nice, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the snap-n-seal connector mounted on the coax. I've tried slipping the coax in but the inner sleeve on the connector won't go under the braid or vinyl, trying to tap it into place is futile. Any suggestions how to get the coax in the connector properly? I'd like to get this finished before the snow hits. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
On 12/12/2011 19:00, Gary Smith wrote: Nice, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the snap-n-seal connector mounted on the coax. I've tried slipping the coax in but the inner sleeve on the connector won't go under the braid or vinyl, trying to tap it into place is futile. I just put some SNS connectors on flooded double shielded RG6 with the same tool. Strip the coax with the tool. Then fold the coax braid (but not the foil tape) back over the outside of the jacket before pushing the connector onto the coax. Then use the tool to seat the connector. de Phil NA4M -- -. .- - -- -. .- - -- -. .- - -- Phil Duff Georgetown, Texas http://priceless.apduff.com http://stockphoto.apduff.com ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
Gary, I use the IT-1000 here. If your connectors have a removable back side (with O-ring seal) place it on the the cable first. Then hand twist the connector onto the stripped coax (gloves help.) You should be able to hand-seat it to where the center conductor is flush with the connector shell, and you'll see the dielectric when looking into the connector. Then use the IT-1000 to perform the final crimp by placing the connector into the end of the tool and squeezing the handle. Be sure to order some extra blades for your IT-1000; they definately don't last forever. If you have the newer connectors with the non-removable back seal (like the red SS series) just push the entire connector on until seated as above, then crimp. It takes a bit more force to put the newer one-piece Snap-nSeal connectors onto the coax. The newer connectors just barely fit into the crimping compression slot on my 15-year old IT-1000, but they do fit. 73, Kirk K4RO ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
i think i was M/W7DRA/P, ah yes, in Canterbury..if i remember... mike w7dra, back when i had money to travel On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:21:01 -0700 W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com writes: Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from country to country. Sending /qrp just takes up more time and adds more difficulty when signals are very very weak. I also agree that those making contacts with QRP stations should be getting the bonuses for doing most of the work not the other way around. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:07 AM, Ronald Raasch wrote: To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember right now.. 73 Ronald LA3ANA Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCEw0...@nc.rr.com: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK LifeLock® Official Site Identity Theft Can Happen to Anyone So Get Protection with LifeLock. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee659ba72c769ebd7fst03vuc ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
On 12/12/2011 1:11 PM, Tim Duffy K3LR wrote:
Hi Gary!
This is the tool I use for installation of F connectors on flooded RG-6 with
great results over the years.
http://www.dxengineering.com/Parts.asp?ID=1062PLID=247SecID=129DeptID={7C
0A8FE1-F72C-4346-916E-8AA93CD2A66B}PartNo=DXE%2DSNS%2DCT1
73,
Tim K3LR
Gents, look on e-bay. I bought a tool that looks exactly like that,
along with 100 connectors for $25.00 shipped.
73,
Mike, W5UC
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Re: Topband: in defense of the QRP Question
when calling CQ, ending with QRP can be informative, like when i am in a DX location like Nebraska, and ending with /NE after a CQ mike w7dra come to think of it when i was W7DRA/3D2 i never had to say what island i was on LifeLock® Official Site Identity Theft Can Happen to Anyone So Get Protection with LifeLock. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee65b88e07969eca1ast05vuc ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Let me play the devils advocate and put a spin on why you might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ. 1) If I work you and you sign /qrp, then I will send you a QSL card that says K9JWV/qrp (or whatever your call might be), but if you don't say you are qrp, then you will get a card that says K9JWV and no mention that I am confirming you worked me while you were running qrp. 2) You also might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ if you are trying to attract other qrp operators. If I hear someone sign /qrp when they call CQ, I often fire up my QRP rig since I suspect they will be able to hear me just as well as I am hearing them. Don (wd8dsb) ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Well, Don - when I submit QSL cards to ARRL for an award such as my WAS QRP certificate the QSL cards don't say K9JWV/QRP on it - that's an attestation I have to send along when I apply for the certificate.here's another reason NOT to sign /QRP --- I work some fella, sign /QRP and he submits our QSO to LoTW as K9JWV/QRP and I submit mine to LoTW as a K9JWV QSO and LoTW won't recognize that QSOit'll be on of those zombies... I do understand your comment about signing /QRP if searching other QRP operators, especially if you're at or near one of the QRP watering holes... To: topband@contesting.com From: wd8...@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:57:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question Let me play the devils advocate and put a spin on why you might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ. 1) If I work you and you sign /qrp, then I will send you a QSL card that says K9JWV/qrp (or whatever your call might be), but if you don't say you are qrp, then you will get a card that says K9JWV and no mention that I am confirming you worked me while you were running qrp. 2) You also might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ if you are trying to attract other qrp operators. If I hear someone sign /qrp when they call CQ, I often fire up my QRP rig since I suspect they will be able to hear me just as well as I am hearing them. Don (wd8dsb) ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 11:58 -0500, W0UCE wrote: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK Hi Jack, I rarely attach /QRP to my call. The exceptions might be in a QRP contest (sprint) where other hams are searching for QRP stations. I send my call and see what happens next the same as everybody else. I started working QRP with a brand new ham license in 1980 and I still haven't exceeded 100 watts. All of my transmitters *CAN* produce more than 5 watts up to 100 watts for some of them. All of them can dial down under one watt, too, and are most often under 30 watts. Sometimes QRPp is just not appropriate. On the other hand, if I need to scream at full legal power I would prefer to go play my music for a while. Or find a ham band with better propagation. If other QRP ops want to hang that /QRP on their call well that is their choice and has no effect on me at all. If they're calling CQ and I hear them I'm up for a chat. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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From: Mike(W5UC) w...@suddenlink.net
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On 12/12/2011 1:11 PM, Tim Duffy K3LR wrote:
Hi Gary!
This is the tool I use for installation of F connectors on flooded RG-6
with
great results over the years.
http://www.dxengineering.com/Parts.asp?ID=1062PLID=247SecID=129DeptID={7C
0A8FE1-F72C-4346-916E-8AA93CD2A66B}PartNo=DXE%2DSNS%2DCT1
73,
Tim K3LR
Gents, look on e-bay. I bought a tool that looks exactly like that,
along with 100 connectors for $25.00 shipped.
73,
Mike, W5UC
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when calling CQ, ending with QRP can be informative, like when i am in a
DX location like Nebraska, and ending with /NE after a CQ
mike w7dra
come to think of it when i was W7DRA/3D2 i never had to say what island i
was on
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From: Don Kirk wd8...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question
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Let me play the devils advocate and put a spin on why you might want to sign
/qrp when calling CQ.
1) If I work you and you sign /qrp, then I will send you a QSL card that
says K9JWV/qrp (or whatever your call might be), but if you don't say you
are qrp, then you will get a card that says K9JWV and no mention that I am
confirming you worked me while you were running qrp.
2) You also might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ if you are trying to
attract other qrp operators. If I hear someone sign /qrp when they call CQ,
I often fire up my QRP rig since I suspect they will be able to hear me just
as well as I am hearing them.
Don (wd8dsb)
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:59:14 +0100
From: Martin Kratoska mar...@centrum.cz
Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question
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For sure, among worst violations of good operating practice is the (now
very common and massive) use of /QRP, ie. OK1RR/QRP. There is no other
reason than to attract more attention than others (using regular call
sign). ITU RR recognizes only /P, /M, /MM and /AM, national authorities
sometimes allowing a numbered ID indicating a region, ie. SM5ABC/4. All
other call signs must be issued in accordance with the regular licensing
mechanism (like OL1A/JP, Pope's visit in OK, there was a special call
OL1A/JP, issued with the slash and the JP appendix). Some other IDs are
issued in groups for limited time, like /J for Jamboree stations, /L for
school stations etc.
More
http://www.ok1rr.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.57
A trend to attract more attention than others is really one of the worst
possible examples of bad behaviour and should be not tolerated (BTW
nothing against possible penalization of /QRP users). I find /QRP very
annoying in contests and pile-ups, it impedes a fast, hig rate operating.
QRP is not your_call/QRP!
73
Martin, OK1RR
Dne 12.12.2011 17:58, W0UCE napsal(a):
Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note
the question is not intended to
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
You may have the wrong connector. The color band indicates the type of coax that they are designed for. In general, double shield connectors will not work on quad shield coax. 73, Roger On 12/12/2011 2:00 PM, Gary Smith wrote: Nice, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the snap-n-seal connector mounted on the coax. I've tried slipping the coax in but the inner sleeve on the connector won't go under the braid or vinyl, trying to tap it into place is futile. Any suggestions how to get the coax in the connector properly? I'd like to get this finished before the snow hits. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of Roger in place of over or go ahead. To which I always remark...my name is Herb, not Roger... Roger? Heh heh. Good one, Herb. Adhering to ITU phonetics one should say Romeo but I've never heard that. 73, Carl WS7L ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Worse than /QRP
Regardless if the a signal is QRP or just plain weak in a contest is someone who insists on sending everything over and over versus just what you ask for. How many of us have heard... Your Call DE Their Call (Sometimes Their Call/QRP) then QSL - UR (Exchange) - HW BK versus just what you ask for. And why do they insist on sending all this at 12 WPM? When rates are high I'm going to work every call I can get in the log as soon as I know what it then work my way through to the weakest. What I want to put out about signing /QRP in a contest First, I ALREADY know you are weak and I'm going to have to work hard to get you in the log. I WANT to work weak QRPers because there is a good chance I can make that contact and others will not. This makes for vertical separation in the contest score listings :) But this is also true for wretched signal 100w stations who done something amazing to get up an antenna AT ALL in their situation. QRPers have no mojo advantage over someone who gets up a working 160 antenna in a 75'x75' HOA lot. Nod goes to the HOA guy here. Second, some QRPers obviously have very good antennas and are 579WAY out in the clear. They send their call and exchange exactly once like they're QRO, and we have each other's call in each other's log in ten seconds. It's really not the power, it's the antennas, and the operators. Third, and most important, if I am struggling to get your call out of the noise, /QRP down in the muddle confuses the h**l out of me and may be THE ONE reason why I'm not copying your call. Fourth, and most irritating, I long ago lost count of the number of times that /QRP was the **ONLY** thing I was sure of when I finally gave up and said SRI TRY LATER. At least the postage stamp lot guys running 100w to a super-fold antenna are not tempted to send /HOA /QRP = Terrible, Terrible practice. QRPers, I'm begging you, please tell your QRP friends 73, Guy On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Bill Cromwell wrcromw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 11:58 -0500, W0UCE wrote: Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK Hi Jack, I rarely attach /QRP to my call. The exceptions might be in a QRP contest (sprint) where other hams are searching for QRP stations. I send my call and see what happens next the same as everybody else. I started working QRP with a brand new ham license in 1980 and I still haven't exceeded 100 watts. All of my transmitters *CAN* produce more than 5 watts up to 100 watts for some of them. All of them can dial down under one watt, too, and are most often under 30 watts. Sometimes QRPp is just not appropriate. On the other hand, if I need to scream at full legal power I would prefer to go play my music for a while. Or find a ham band with better propagation. If other QRP ops want to hang that /QRP on their call well that is their choice and has no effect on me at all. If they're calling CQ and I hear them I'm up for a chat. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
I don't know of ONE award (I'm speaking of ARRL awards now) that requires the QSL to have /qrp on it, Carl...can you state one instance of that being a requirement??? I have QRP WAS and WAC and none of my QSL cards have a /qrp identifier anywhere on the card..I hope to have QRP WAS on 160 meters completed this winter and none of the QSLs sent to me list me as K9JWV/QRP...in fact, from an LoTW perspective, having a station I worked list me as K9JWV/QRP probably puts that record into the zombie status. Regards, Jim R. K9JWV From: z...@jeremy.mv.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; w0...@nc.rr.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:31:37 -0500 Since there are QRP awards the QSL's have to include/QRP to be accepted. There are more illegal QRO ops than the few who cheat with /QRP so quit with the silly bickering. How would you like it if the shoe was on the other foot? Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_...@msn.com To: w0...@nc.rr.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert Reynolds starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my opinion, those operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, their equipment or their antenna! Something has them thinking small about themselves and that couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of themselves or their equipment. But - can't help 'em From: w0...@nc.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: Topband: QRP Question Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4076 - Release Date: 12/12/11 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: QRP thread
Guys - I think the QRP thread has gotten away from the intent of this list and I am starting to get some complaints. I have taken a break from moderating (as most of you can tell). Perhaps if we all pull together and try to stay true to the intent of this list AND be careful about only sending direct replies when appropriate - I can extend my vacation. Thanks. Tree N6TR ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
On 12/12/2011 3:34 PM, ZR wrote: You can rest assured that anything from DXE is marked up well beyond what it can be had for elsewhere. I got the stripper which handles all RG-59 and 6 cables, a Klein compressor and Thomas and Betts connectors all off Ebay. There is so much competition the prices are rock bottom and usually with free shipping. The DXE site is used to get a good laugh at what some people actually pay for things. The various Beverage and other receiving stuff are good examples. However hams that are too lazy, proud or stupid to build a simple matching transformer, etc, get what they deserve. An hour or two on the Internet/Google has most of the info and Topband can answer what is missing. Carl KM1H AMEN to that Carl, except that I always thought that the pride came from using what I have learned as a HAM to be able to say that I built it myself, and it works great. 73, Mike, W5UC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
The normal (blue) connector has a sleeve dia of .290 The normal quad shield (purple) connector has a sleeve dia of .315 The universal (red) connector has a sleeve dia of .293 I don't have any quad shield cable handy or I'd try it with a red connector. I assume it works OK but I don't know how you can stuff it into a sleeve .022 smaller in diameter. 73, Roger On 12/12/2011 4:06 PM, Phil Duff wrote: On 12/12/2011 20:45, Roger D Johnson wrote: There are different color banded F SNS connectors for different RG6 shield configurations. But now there is a new style Ultimate SNS F connector with a red collar. These are spec'ed to work with: 60% braid, tri-shield and quad shield. -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: RG-6/U Snap n Seal connectors
I noticed that the last time I was at the big box stores that they are only carrying one type of connector that they say is good for both types of cables. I don't use Quad shield cable so I don't know they work on quad either. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 3:34 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: The normal (blue) connector has a sleeve dia of .290 The normal quad shield (purple) connector has a sleeve dia of .315 The universal (red) connector has a sleeve dia of .293 I don't have any quad shield cable handy or I'd try it with a red connector. I assume it works OK but I don't know how you can stuff it into a sleeve .022 smaller in diameter. 73, Roger On 12/12/2011 4:06 PM, Phil Duff wrote: On 12/12/2011 20:45, Roger D Johnson wrote: There are different color banded F SNS connectors for different RG6 shield configurations. But now there is a new style Ultimate SNS F connector with a red collar. These are spec'ed to work with: 60% braid, tri-shield and quad shield. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: RG6 connectors
Hi Jim: Using the right connector for the cable you have is critical. Some connectors will appear OK to work initially - then within a few months time the center conductor will pull back - or the shield connection will fail. With the correct cable/connector combination and with the right tools - F connectors can be installed in less than 60 seconds - and last a long time. 73! Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of wa3...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:55 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 108, Issue 37 Gary, I had this problem once when I used the wrong connections.. the ones I had were for RG-59 instead of RG-6 Check carefully they look alike if unsure get new ones Jim ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: QRP Question
Thank you very much Martin, I couldn´t have put i better myself. And as an advice, if some QRP station wants to work me don´t even try once with /qrp mickey mouse stuff, there will be no QSO. /Jim SM2EKM --- On 2011-12-12 20:59, Martin Kratoska wrote: For sure, among worst violations of good operating practice is the (now very common and massive) use of /QRP, ie. OK1RR/QRP. There is no other reason than to attract more attention than others (using regular call sign). ITU RR recognizes only /P, /M, /MM and /AM, national authorities sometimes allowing a numbered ID indicating a region, ie. SM5ABC/4. All other call signs must be issued in accordance with the regular licensing mechanism (like OL1A/JP, Pope's visit in OK, there was a special call OL1A/JP, issued with the slash and the JP appendix). Some other IDs are issued in groups for limited time, like /J for Jamboree stations, /L for school stations etc. More http://www.ok1rr.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.57 A trend to attract more attention than others is really one of the worst possible examples of bad behaviour and should be not tolerated (BTW nothing against possible penalization of /QRP users). I find /QRP very annoying in contests and pile-ups, it impedes a fast, hig rate operating. QRP is not your_call/QRP! 73 Martin, OK1RR Dne 12.12.2011 17:58, W0UCE napsal(a): Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - Why? So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
