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Re: Topband: Small lot
HI Larry Nice to hear from you. Congratulations!. Yes Gary is doing a great job with the preamps, huge improvements . I am preparing some equipment's to PT0S DX expedition and George always comment about the work with Gary. George now has one preamp with 9 FET's in parallel. You will get over 200 by the end of the next season. I'm sure about. With a good preamp and the WF tuned like you have, you can hear a third layer of DX not possible before Regards JCarlos N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of lrp...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:21 PM To: N4IS Jose Carlos; NX4D Doug Waller; Topband@contesting.com Cc: KD9SV Gary Nichols Subject: Topband: Small lot Carlos: I read you’re comments the Top Band reflector. While I have never operated any digital modes I have enjoyed some great success on 160 with much thanks to the rotatable WF. Much of the credit goes to you, NX4D and KD9SV. Without yours, Doug’s and Gary’s help I would have given up on 160, not to leave out W8UVZ, K8GG and W0CD. Gary has sent me several prototype preamps, each one better than the last. Without Gary’s help I would not have pulled NH8S out of the noise last week and worked them on 160. Or for that matter RI1ANF a few weeks ago. Currently I have 154 worked with 139 confirmed on 160 from a lot of 80’ X 100’. TNX Larry W8VVG ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Small lot
Carlos: I read you’re comments the Top Band reflector. While I have never operated any digital modes I have enjoyed some great success on 160 with much thanks to the rotatable WF. Much of the credit goes to you, NX4D and KD9SV. Without yours, Doug’s and Gary’s help I would have given up on 160, not to leave out W8UVZ, K8GG and W0CD. Gary has sent me several prototype preamps, each one better than the last. Without Gary’s help I would not have pulled NH8S out of the noise last week and worked them on 160. Or for that matter RI1ANF a few weeks ago. Currently I have 154 worked with 139 confirmed on 160 from a lot of 80’ X 100’. TNX Larry W8VVG ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: NH8S QRV 160
I consider myself fortunate to have been able to work them on TB. I just returned home from a three day outing and I indeed have them in the bag for TB. I was only able to hear them Friday morning and had the most minimal reception at that time but I heard my call come back and their log shows it went through. Guess I need to go and check all the Rx connections to see if I can improve Rx, this one came by pure luck. All considered, timing is everything. Gary KA1J > Talked to Jerry WB9Z on 10 today and he said definitely on topband tonight. > > > Herb, KV4FZ > > > > On 9/9/2012 9:39 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > Thanks George > > > > Fortunately I worked N8S in April 2007 on 160 and 80 mts > > > > Hope to have my antenna ready next weekend to listen them > > > > 73, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > > > -Mensaje original- > > De: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de > > k...@voyager.net > > Enviado el: domingo, 09 de septiembre de 2012 00:59 > > Para: topband@contesting.com > > Asunto: Topband: NH8S QRV 160 > > > > > > > > GE All, > > > > Listening on 17 SSB this evening I hear that the BCSpecial is up and ready > > for use. Good luck to those needing Swains Island on 160. > > > > 73 George K8GG > > > > > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: digital on 160
will say right off, i hardly ever do ssb, and cw somewhat less. when jt65 got popular on hf, almost all USA tried to work it around 1810, and even ARRL suggested that. lots of grief down there so ops decreased. additionally, lots of DXCC entities can not go there. so operations began to go 1838 or so for the DX operations, eventually for CONUS. to. even up here we get ssb and cw qrm, so just where can we go and still have the DX possibilities. the operators don't make the freq rules. see you there as the wx cools. david/wd4kpd -- God's law is set in stone..everything else is negotiable. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: TB digital
>> Digital modes are the future. It will give those hams who have limited real estate and monetary resources to enjoy the topband. << Mike Digital modes are not new and there are several ways to enjoy top band, even do DX from a 1/3 acre with limited monetary resources. Doug NX4D is a good example, he just confirmed #277 on top band and 40 zones from a 1/3 lot with power lines 20 Ft. from his RX antenna, However it is not an easy way. Doug gave up all HF antennas to keep only one vertical that he was able to detune. He built an expensive dual flag rotatable array that only worked after Doug eliminated all common mode noise and got a good preamplifier. It I hard work to keep a station for 160m. W8VVG, Larry also enjoy his 160m station with a rotatable flag. WSJT was not designed to be used on HF, the sequence is very low, takes 1 min to send 73. It is boring. The reason people is using it is because it is easy. It is not about the value to enjoy a CW QSO on top band, and more about cost and dedication to improve the station to effective on top band. In my opinion , same I said years ago the digital segment should be above 1900 KHz, lots of space, small antennas and even better propagation. Regards N4IS Jose Carlos ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 22
JOHN-- We are fortunate that you are only allowed an opinion, not a directie. Also-- Most posters give their call when yelling. Bill--W4BSG -Original Message- From: John Nemo Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:19 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 22 Digimodes on top band.NO THANK YOU. From: "topband-requ...@contesting.com" To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 23:38 Subject: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 22 Send Topband mailing list submissions to topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Jim Brown) 2. Re: Old Radios (Eddy Swynar) 3. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Mike Armstrong) 4. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Greg Chartrand) 5. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Tom W8JI) 6. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Bernie McClenny, W3UR) 7. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Herb Schoenbohm) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:19:29 -0700 From: Jim Brown To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 Message-ID: <50562641.9040...@audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 9/16/2012 11:53 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: Another part is they just may not recognize CW, or what the CW station is doing. You would be surprised how many old timers and experienced CW ops are using digital modes. I think that even in this no-code world, almost ANY ham would at least RECOGNIZE CW, even if they couldn't copy it, but I'd bet that very few CW or SSB ops who don't work digital modes would recognize any of them as being signals, let alone recognize the mode. 73, Jim K9YC -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:03:49 -0400 From: Eddy Swynar To: "ZR" Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Old Radios Message-ID: <3f3b67b9-0788-4daf-b924-e306f49f9...@xplornet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii On 2012-09-16, at 3:49 PM, ZR wrote: I'll try to get a 210 on 160 for ARRL and see how many states I can work. If not the modified 1928 Radiola 60 superhet is all ready to at least listen. It took 2 1/2 years to work DXCC on 80 with PP 211's which were very stable but Ive taken that apart and now building a 160-20 rig starting off with a 27 and ending in a 860. Hi Carl, It'd be just great to hear you on Topband with that 210 rig... As for garnering W.A.S. during the QSO Party, I should forewarn you: historically I don't think ANYONE has EVER netted 60 (or more) QSOs during the entire two-weekends of the event! The west coast is only now beginning to make its presence known in the past few years in the person of Steve (VE7SL---forgive me if I have your callsign incorrect, Steve). Most activity is from the north-eastern USA, although there IS a VERY strong contingent that joins the group from the mid-west. No matter, it's a laid-back, leisurely, fun exercise, & it'd be nice if you could join the fray, Carl. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:07:02 -0700 From: Mike Armstrong To: Tom W8JI Cc: "" ,"" Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 Message-ID: <29b9f29c-e9c1-47d8-bcb0-627cf97c9...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Tom, "on point" ... I am, almost exclusively, a CW and Digi op in that order. I will say, anecdotally, that I have not experienced any interference caused by one or the other to the other on 160. I admit that I am not THE most active op on 160, but I am there a fair amount of time. Since most 160 band plans, like the DX window, seem to have gone by the wayside, it would be incumbent upon us as those who love the band, to come up with one that includes the newer modes. The reason? Better utilization by those who have WAY LESS than optimal stations for 160. Particularly those who are antenna and power limited. With the advent of modes like JT65, this has been a godsend for the apartment dweller or those who live in a yard-nazi environment that makes it virtually impossible to put up anything larger than a mobile whip. Ask those folks about JT65 and they practically bow to the software writer as being the savior of their operating. Having said that, I think there is room for all who want to try to operate 160 (not really that many people out of the whole ham population, truth be told). Digi mod
Re: Topband: American Samoa on TB?
Bob, W7YAQ, celebrated his 70th birthday as 5W0YA in 2010. He did a great job on the low bands with 100W and verticals. Brian K1LI ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: OT: 60M/TB digital
Im not sure if there is a group discussing digital to voice/cw spacing on 60m. Granted you can't do that at all, considering the current plan, but maybe having 2 channels for digital would be better Mike KC7NOA > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:57 -0400 > From: li...@subich.com > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: TB digital > > > On 9/17/2012 8:53 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > > > > I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. > > No, the problem is that Americans still believe in the fiction of > "priority for international QSOs". This means that New England will > be working their local Europeans while Caribbean to Alaska, W7, VE6/7 > or even W5/8/9/0 to EU and Africa will be precluded by the W1/W2/VE1 > stations working the same few EU stations night after night and contest > after contest. > > Activity on any mode will concentrate where the DX is. Look at RTTY > on 40 meters - there is very little US/Region 2 activity left in the > traditional 7080 KHz range - it has all moved into the "international > area" around 7035-7040. The solution on both 160 and 40 meters is to > move SSB *UP* and create a reasonable, 10-15 KHz (certainly more > than 2 or 3 KHz) wide digital enclave between the CW and SSB centers > of activity. > > US band plans have been historically W1/W2 centered - witness the > original 160 DX window at 1825-1830 then 1830-1835 and ARRL's flat > out opposition to separate allocations for CW/SSB on 160 in the early > 1980's and push for unregulated automated digital systems in the late > 1980's (I too, have correspondence with the Commission on *both* > matters). Unless the attitude to spectrum planning becomes what > works best for all users and organizations like ARRL put their clout > behind making bandplans work of all user instead pf just the favored > few we will be having this debate for another 30 years. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 9/17/2012 8:53 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > > Tom, > > > > I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. The > > region 1 160 band starts at 1.810Mhz so the IARU Region2 pansis useless for > > DX digital communications. All regions should align modes. > > > > If ALL l regions decide on 1830 to1840 for digital modes we should follow > > the recommendation. > > > > Digital modes are the future. It will give those hams who have limited real > > estate and monetary resources to enjoy the topband. > > > > Mike N2MS > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Tom W8JI > > To: Topband@contesting.com > > Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:33:03 - (UTC) > > Subject: Re: Topband: TB digital > > > > I'm not surprised some of us don't know the band or history of use, or have > > not read IARU bandplans. What I wish we could do, is be a little nicer to > > each other as we learn things from each other. > > > > > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: TB digital
I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. The region 1 160 band starts at 1.810Mhz so the IARU Region2 pansis useless for DX digital communications. All regions should align modes. If ALL l regions decide on 1830 to1840 for digital modes we should follow the recommendation. Digital modes are the future. It will give those hams who have limited real estate and monetary resources to enjoy the topband. When the time comes, if the IARU is interested, we should have a logical, reasonable, factual debate about potential technical and operating problems and how to best minimize those problems for the future. In the meantime, the bandplan is what the bandplan is. The bandplan is intended to make up for the disinterested ARRL and the lack of FCC segmentation rules. It is supposed to be an example of how we can self-regulate. If people don't want to follow the bandplan *in normal operation*, we should just say we won't follow it. Then we can do what we want to do as individual groups, and stop all this bandplan nonsense. We cannot very well expect some modes stay in specific areas in *normal operations* while other modes do something entirely different in *normal operation* just because they want to. I'm all for what the consensus of everyone wants, and not what some specific interest group wants. If the IARU is meaningless, then everyone should be able to operate where they like any time they like for any reason. 73 Tom ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 22
Digimodes on top band.NO THANK YOU. From: "topband-requ...@contesting.com" To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 23:38 Subject: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 22 Send Topband mailing list submissions to topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Jim Brown) 2. Re: Old Radios (Eddy Swynar) 3. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Mike Armstrong) 4. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Greg Chartrand) 5. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 (Tom W8JI) 6. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Bernie McClenny, W3UR) 7. Re: American Samoa on TB? (Herb Schoenbohm) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:19:29 -0700 From: Jim Brown To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 Message-ID: <50562641.9040...@audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 9/16/2012 11:53 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: > Another part is they just may not recognize CW, or what the CW station > is doing. You would be surprised how many old timers and experienced CW ops are using digital modes. I think that even in this no-code world, almost ANY ham would at least RECOGNIZE CW, even if they couldn't copy it, but I'd bet that very few CW or SSB ops who don't work digital modes would recognize any of them as being signals, let alone recognize the mode. 73, Jim K9YC -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:03:49 -0400 From: Eddy Swynar To: "ZR" Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Old Radios Message-ID: <3f3b67b9-0788-4daf-b924-e306f49f9...@xplornet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2012-09-16, at 3:49 PM, ZR wrote: > > I'll try to get a 210 on 160 for ARRL and see how many states I can work. If > not the modified 1928 Radiola 60 superhet is all ready to at least listen. > > It took 2 1/2 years to work DXCC on 80 with PP 211's which were very stable > but Ive taken that apart and now building a 160-20 rig starting off with a 27 > and ending in a 860. > > Hi Carl, It'd be just great to hear you on Topband with that 210 rig... As for garnering W.A.S. during the QSO Party, I should forewarn you: historically I don't think ANYONE has EVER netted 60 (or more) QSOs during the entire two-weekends of the event! The west coast is only now beginning to make its presence known in the past few years in the person of Steve (VE7SL---forgive me if I have your callsign incorrect, Steve). Most activity is from the north-eastern USA, although there IS a VERY strong contingent that joins the group from the mid-west. No matter, it's a laid-back, leisurely, fun exercise, & it'd be nice if you could join the fray, Carl. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:07:02 -0700 From: Mike Armstrong To: Tom W8JI Cc: "" , "" Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 117, Issue 20 Message-ID: <29b9f29c-e9c1-47d8-bcb0-627cf97c9...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, "on point" ... I am, almost exclusively, a CW and Digi op in that order. I will say, anecdotally, that I have not experienced any interference caused by one or the other to the other on 160. I admit that I am not THE most active op on 160, but I am there a fair amount of time. Since most 160 band plans, like the DX window, seem to have gone by the wayside, it would be incumbent upon us as those who love the band, to come up with one that includes the newer modes. The reason? Better utilization by those who have WAY LESS than optimal stations for 160. Particularly those who are antenna and power limited. With the advent of modes like JT65, this has been a godsend for the apartment dweller or those who live in a yard-nazi environment that makes it virtually impossible to put up anything larger than a mobile whip. Ask those folks about JT65 and they practically bow to the software writer as being the savior of their operating. Having said that, I think there is room for all who want to try to operate 160 (not really that many people out of the whole ham population, truth be told). Digi modes make it possible for those who have that intense desire but lack the room for antennas that are anything like what we would call decent. WE just need to come up with a plan and get some of the 160 heavy hitters to endorse it, right? We cannot hold back digital progress,
Re: Topband: TB digital
On 9/17/2012 8:53 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > > I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. No, the problem is that Americans still believe in the fiction of "priority for international QSOs". This means that New England will be working their local Europeans while Caribbean to Alaska, W7, VE6/7 or even W5/8/9/0 to EU and Africa will be precluded by the W1/W2/VE1 stations working the same few EU stations night after night and contest after contest. Activity on any mode will concentrate where the DX is. Look at RTTY on 40 meters - there is very little US/Region 2 activity left in the traditional 7080 KHz range - it has all moved into the "international area" around 7035-7040. The solution on both 160 and 40 meters is to move SSB *UP* and create a reasonable, 10-15 KHz (certainly more than 2 or 3 KHz) wide digital enclave between the CW and SSB centers of activity. US band plans have been historically W1/W2 centered - witness the original 160 DX window at 1825-1830 then 1830-1835 and ARRL's flat out opposition to separate allocations for CW/SSB on 160 in the early 1980's and push for unregulated automated digital systems in the late 1980's (I too, have correspondence with the Commission on *both* matters). Unless the attitude to spectrum planning becomes what works best for all users and organizations like ARRL put their clout behind making bandplans work of all user instead pf just the favored few we will be having this debate for another 30 years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/17/2012 8:53 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Tom, I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. The region 1 160 band starts at 1.810Mhz so the IARU Region2 pansis useless for DX digital communications. All regions should align modes. If ALL l regions decide on 1830 to1840 for digital modes we should follow the recommendation. Digital modes are the future. It will give those hams who have limited real estate and monetary resources to enjoy the topband. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:33:03 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: TB digital I'm not surprised some of us don't know the band or history of use, or have not read IARU bandplans. What I wish we could do, is be a little nicer to each other as we learn things from each other. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: TB digital
Tom, I problem is the IARU region 1, 2 and 3 band plans do not line up. The region 1 160 band starts at 1.810Mhz so the IARU Region2 pansis useless for DX digital communications. All regions should align modes. If ALL l regions decide on 1830 to1840 for digital modes we should follow the recommendation. Digital modes are the future. It will give those hams who have limited real estate and monetary resources to enjoy the topband. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:33:03 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: TB digital I'm not surprised some of us don't know the band or history of use, or have not read IARU bandplans. What I wish we could do, is be a little nicer to each other as we learn things from each other. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Old Radios
- Original Message - From: "Eddy Swynar" To: "Tom W8JI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Old Radios On 2012-09-16, at 12:47 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: Specifically, every year The Antique Wireless Association (NY, USA) sponsors the "Bruce Kelley 1929 QSO Party" for two weekends in late autumn: this year marks the first time that 160-meters will be added to the existing 80- and 40-meter bands of activity. Details may be seen at http://www.antiquewireless.org/pdf/AWA_2012-2013_Event_Schedule.pdf The gist of the event is simply this: members dust off any available 1929 (and earlier) active devices---also known as "tubes"(!)---and incorporate them into homebrewed, self-excited transmitters, with a maximum limit of 10-watts input (double that, optional, after midnight). I have a TPTG pair of 45 tubes, but I don't think 160 meters is a good idea during the ARRL contest. I hope someone made the AWA aware of the conflict. :-) Hi Tom, Rest assured that both I, as well as Paul (N1BUG), reminded the gang of that fact!!! I think they're all resolved to the reality of the one weekend conflicting with the ARRL event, & so will restrict themselves (ourselves!) to specifically the 80- and 40-meter bands at that time... Heck, it's tough enough by times during the ARRL 160 fray to be able to copy kilowatt stations through the wall of QRM with even the tightest of IF filters, never-mind attempting to QSO a 10-watt chirpy / yoopy signal whose self-excited & unbuffered frequency is only as steady as the wind that might be tossing about its antenna! Hi Hi Well, Tom, if you have pair of 45s in a TPTG set-up, why not take a break during the non-contest weekend on the band & join us...? Or at least tune around & soak-in some of the on-the-air ambiance, & imagine that that's how things most likely sounded during the Roaring Twenties. It's really quite infectious, AND a whole lotta fun...seriously! Do you have coils made to cover Topband...? If not, there's plenty of time to get that done, well in advance of the event. I hope to use a somewhat more "modern" rig here, i.e. a master-oscillator-power-amplifier consisting of a Hartley 227 oscillator, driving a paralleled pair of 227s (but it needs a bit of work here still to "tame" the frequency). For a receiver I want to employ the services this year of my homebrewed 1929-style 12-tube superheterodyne (224s, 227s., & 245s galore!). ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ I'll try to get a 210 on 160 for ARRL and see how many states I can work. If not the modified 1928 Radiola 60 superhet is all ready to at least listen. It took 2 1/2 years to work DXCC on 80 with PP 211's which were very stable but Ive taken that apart and now building a 160-20 rig starting off with a 27 and ending in a 860. Carl KM1H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Beverage coax feed near other coax
I am putting up my first Beverage. In Low Band DXing, ON4UN talks about feed line proximity to elevated radials, towers, and power lines. What about proximity to feedlines to other antennas . Specifically, I bring my other antenna coax feedlines into my basement shack through about 50 feet of buried 3 inch I.D. conduit. Currently I have feedlines through there to a 160m inverted L and a feedline to an antenna switch with antennas for 80m, 40m, 30m, and 20 meters. I plan to run more feedlines through there in the future, for more HF and later, VHF and UHF antennas. My Beverage feedline will be RG6. Would running this and eventually other Beverage feedlines through this conduit with the other feedlines create any problems. Thank you, Charlie W2GN cstack14...@yahoo.com ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: TB digital
I'm not surprised some of us don't know the band or history of use, or have not read IARU bandplans. What I wish we could do, is be a little nicer to each other as we learn things from each other. When we originally had the band in the 1950's and 60's and it was opening from LORAN use, 1825-30 was just above the USA east coast segment. USA stations could TX only on 1800-1825 on the east coast, and 1975-2000 on the west coast. 1825-30 became the DX Window because it was just out of the band, and most European DX could transmit there. As LORAN was turned off the USA was allowed more 25 kHz segments, each with a different power rating that varied with day and night. 25-30 remained the DX window. Sometime after the band was mostly restored for everyone, the DX window was moved higher. The IARU and everyone else for years has defined the area above 1830 to 1850 as the "DX" area of the band. See this link: http://www.iaru-r2.org/documents/explorer/files/Plan%20de%20bandas%20%7C%20Band-plan/R2%20LF-MF-HF%20Bandplan%202010.pdf 1800-1810 is listed as digital modes, and has been for years. 1830 to 1840 is now, and has been for years, listed as priority for Intercontinental CW operation. 1840-1850 is listed as priority for Intercontinental SSB operation, and has been for many years. What puzzles me is with an IARU bandplan, why digital modes decided to carve out a spot in the middle of the Region II IARU DX CW and SSB area for local common digital work, and why strong proponents of frequency use have not done their homework and read IARU plans. Now I'm not saying we should not change the IARU plan, if everyone as a majority wants to change it or ignore it, I'm fine with that. The fact remains we need some sort of plan everyone agrees with and everyone can follow in normal daily activity, because the ARRL never really cared if the FCC regulated the band or not. Now the ARRL is going to disagree with what I just said, but I was there for years and at one time (I still may) I had a letter from FCC Chairman Prose Walker (W4BW) stating if the ARRL simply asked for 160 to be restored with CW and SSB segments, it would be done. The ARRL was interested in two meters at that time, and had been burned by incentive licensing, and stated they were afraid to "take anything away" from anyone else. I know this all for a fact because W1BB, W2EQS Charlie, and a few more were exchanging letters with Prose and others, and at that time there was overwhelming written support for full band restoration SSB and CW segments. The ARRL in recent years told me Prose only said that to appease people, but knowing Prose more than casually (I worked on some personal amplifier stuff directly with him) he was neither a sissy afraid to say something to someone, nor was he a liar who would say something untrue. So without an FCC rule, the only thing we have is the IARU to keep some reasonable order on the band. The real question we have is should the IARU plan be changed again, and should digital mode operators continue to violate the bandplan on a regular basis until the plan changes, or should we just let every group decide what chunk of band they want and carve it out by takeover? My opinion is we need some sort of governing committee who we all actually listen to, like it or not, or we will have more problems than we need to have. 73 Tom ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Digital mode discussion
I knew when it showed up - the digital mode thread was going to stir things up. I think it is safe to say there are different opinions on this subject and I don't believe this discussion is going to change many opinions (since we have had this discusssion before). Hopefully - we can let this issue die down now without the moderator having to force the issue. Thanks. Tree ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
