Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 131, Issue 4

[W9HAK]

Tonight here in Evansville, Indiana the bearing is 130 degrees on my 
Pixel loop. Frequency is 3.501.5 mhz.


Smith Bradford
W9HAK


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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (Steve Flood)
2. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (Charlie Cunningham)
3. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (donov...@starpower.net)
4. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (K4SAV)
5. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (Rick Stealey)
6. Re: Steady Carrier on 80 CW (Charlie Cunningham)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:07:55 -0600
From: "Steve Flood" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
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Can hear them here in KH6 land,   at least the 3500.9 and 3501.6.
Merv K9FD/KH6

3501.6 is SE of me.
3500.9 is definitely NW of me and strongest of the three.
Steve, KK7VU (DN36)




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:43:09 -0400
From: "Charlie Cunningham" 
To: "'Don Kirk'" ,
Cc: 'topband' 
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
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Well, most all the guys in New England see it peaking pretty much due south
- which suggests that the origin is off-shore in the Atlantic, rather than
on shore in the Carolinas. (Maybe from the "Bermuda Triangle"? :-))

How long have you had that Hi-Z 3-element  receive array, Paul?

Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Kirk
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 7:40 AM
To: p...@paulferguson.us
Cc: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

Paul and Gang,

Based on Pauls heading and a few other headings that intersect Pauls
heading, it looks like the signal is originating from the lower half of NC,
or the NE part of SC that touches NC.

Hard to describe, but an area like Fayetteville NC to the North, Wilmington
NC to the South East, and Myrtle Beach SC to the South (maybe as far South
as Georgetown or Charleston SC if I stretch things a bit).  Still need a
few more data points, but the above describes the general area unless it is
out in the ocean.

Lots of headings that don't intersect Pauls heading which I had to ignore.

Don


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Paul Ferguson  wrote:


It peaks at 172 degrees from Raleigh, NC on a Hi-Z 3-element array (6
directions).

We need some directions from Florida stations.

73,
Paul
K5ESW



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: donov...@starpower.net
To: topband 
Cc: p...@paulferguson.us, Don Kirk 
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
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A rough azimuth from W4ZV in NC would be helpful ,
and from Florida

- Original Message -

From: "Don Kirk" 
To: p...@paulferguson.us
Cc: "topband" 
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:39:56 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

Paul and Gang,

Based on Pauls heading and a few other headings that intersect Pauls
heading, it looks like the signal is originating from the lower half of NC,
or the NE part of SC that touches NC.

Hard to describe, but an area like Fayetteville NC to the North, Wilmington
NC to the South East, and Myrtle Beach SC to the South (maybe as far South
as Georgetown or Charleston SC if I stretch things a bit). Still need a
few more data points, but the above describes the general area unless it is
out in the ocean.

Lots of headings that don't intersect Pauls heading which I had to ignore.

Don


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Paul Ferguson  wrote:


It peaks at 172 degrees from Raleigh, NC on a Hi-Z 3-element array (6
directions).

We need some directions from Florida stations.

73,
Paul
K5ESW



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:52:45 -0500
From: K4SAV 
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
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I think I can do a little better on estimating the dir

Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[MU 4CX250B]

My beverages in Santa Fe peak in the SE direction, with fast QSB.
Jim W8ZR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:48 PM, VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Yes, tonight at 0230z I rx'd for 3500.85 carrier and it is there at s-5. I 
> did not rx last night for it.
> The peak is very noticeable, and the null of the back of the beam is equally 
> clear.
> I also notice a sudden qrg shift sporadically.
>
> Your bearing is at 340 and mine in Calgary at 250 puts the source very 
> broadly in Washington State??
> This is very strange.
> Now we have a west coast carrier interloper??
> 3501.6 is gone tonight.
>
>
> 3,500.845- 250 deg (SW)
> 3,501.6- Gone here tonight no signal
> 3,503.15- no carrier
>
> 73, de steve ve6wz
> --
> From: "Steve Flood" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 3:50 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
>
>>> but then at times the signal is briefly the same between the 160 and 300
>> degree pennant
>>
 This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.
>>
>> Observing the same character here.
>> With several daytime and nighttime readings, I can only best guess the
>> following from DN36.
>> 3500.845 is at 320 - 340 degrees
>> 3501.580 is at 100 - 120 degrees
>> 3503.150 is at 100 -120 degrees.
>>
>> Another thing, each will occasionally (and randomly) have a sudden 10Hz or
>> so shift for a few seconds.
>>
>> VE6WZ - - do you have the 3500.845 carrier???
>>
>>
>> Steve, KK7UV
>>
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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[VE6WZ_Steve]

Hi Steve,

Yes, tonight at 0230z I rx'd for 3500.85 carrier and it is there at s-5. I 
did not rx last night for it.
The peak is very noticeable, and the null of the back of the beam is equally 
clear.

I also notice a sudden qrg shift sporadically.

Your bearing is at 340 and mine in Calgary at 250 puts the source very 
broadly in Washington State??

This is very strange.
Now we have a west coast carrier interloper??
3501.6 is gone tonight.


3,500.845- 250 deg (SW)
3,501.6- Gone here tonight no signal
3,503.15- no carrier

73, de steve ve6wz
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From: "Steve Flood" 
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 3:50 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW


but then at times the signal is briefly the same between the 160 and 300

degree pennant


This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.


Observing the same character here.
With several daytime and nighttime readings, I can only best guess the
following from DN36.
3500.845 is at 320 - 340 degrees
3501.580 is at 100 - 120 degrees
3503.150 is at 100 -120 degrees.

Another thing, each will occasionally (and randomly) have a sudden 10Hz or
so shift for a few seconds.

VE6WZ - - do you have the 3500.845 carrier???


Steve, KK7UV

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Topband: 160M and 75M TX antennas

[K4LCD]

Hi all!

Been a member of the list for years.

RX antennas are four elevated EWEs rotatable from a switch in my shack.

I am contemplating replacing Alpha Delta DXA slopers, hanging from the 
top tolt of my 50 foot Rohn 45 below my Tennadyne T8 HF Log Periodic.


I would welcome suggestions for an efficient TX antenna and welcome 
emails OFF LIST.


Regards and 73

--
Juan A. Granados /K4LCD - WF2XXQ

https://sites.google.com/site/k4lcdars/

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Topband: HF DF idea (was Steady Carrier on 80 CW)

[Ron Kolarik]

I was just thinking a bit about the current DF problem
with the 80m carrier. Since this seems to pop up from time
to time would there be any interest in setting up a network
of DF stations? The pieces are all there already, just needs
some "glue" to stick things together. The amateur lightning
detection network uses something similar to triangulate
lightning strikes in real time.

Okay, how about some really cheap SDR's (TV dongles)
all linked over the internet with directional antennas like
crossed loops. Simply plug in a frequency at the central
control point and get bearing information fed back for
locating a source. Internet controlled SDR's are out there,
the antennas are cheap to build and for local processing
a Raspberry Pi or Beagleboard, the new kid on the block is
the Parallella if you need the power. The local computing
can run headless and feed direct to a network connection
once setup, it would look like any other network address.

Any thoughts on this?

Ron
K0IDT

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Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[Charlie Cunningham]

A man after my own heart!! :-)

Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Schoenbohm
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 2:31 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

I had a similar problem with the flat loading capacitors plates burning 
a hole and failing on my Drake MN-2000 ATU and found some very nice low 
profile 200pf 10KV mica transmitting capacitors from Bulgaria on eBay 
for $6.00 each. There seems to be a good supply from the vendor as they 
are currently listed as:



  *


  *




 



  2 200 pF 10kV LOT OF 2 HIGH VOLTAGE CERAMIC DOORKNOB CAPACITORS KVI-3
  (???-3)



Shipping took only a week and the items fit inside the tuner easily. I 
used some tinned solder wick to make the connections to the switch as I 
did not have any tinned braid available.

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ.






On 11/3/2013 2:16 PM, Charlie Young wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I have an MB-V and an MB-IV.
>   
> The MB-IV experienced a fixed capacitor failure.  There is a stacked
capacitor bank that was fabricated by Nye
> using insulating sheet separated by metal plates.  One of the insulator
sheets broke down.
>   
> I repaired it myself by unbolting the stack, cleaning up the affected
capacitor plates, and replacing the insulator with a piece of teflon sheet
that one of my friends happened to have.
>   
> So far so good on the repair, but I don't need to use the tuners much
these days.
>   
> 73 Charlie N8RR
>   
>   
>> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 13:33:10 -0400
>> From: he...@vitelcom.net
>> To: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A
>>
>> What is the model numberthere is not to much that can go wrong with
>> them.  You might check at the switches and coil for any bad contacts
>> which normally if not burned can be repaired with a pencil eraser or
>> some very light emery cloth.
>>
>>
>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/2013 11:07 AM, michael kincaid wrote:
>>> Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I
that
>>> works on these tuners?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> w7...@fast.net
>>>
>>> _
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Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[Herb Schoenbohm]

I had a similar problem with the flat loading capacitors plates burning 
a hole and failing on my Drake MN-2000 ATU and found some very nice low 
profile 200pf 10KV mica transmitting capacitors from Bulgaria on eBay 
for $6.00 each. There seems to be a good supply from the vendor as they 
are currently listed as:




 *

   
 *

   


 




 2 200 pF 10kV LOT OF 2 HIGH VOLTAGE CERAMIC DOORKNOB CAPACITORS KVI-3
 (???-3)



Shipping took only a week and the items fit inside the tuner easily. I 
used some tinned solder wick to make the connections to the switch as I 
did not have any tinned braid available.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ.






On 11/3/2013 2:16 PM, Charlie Young wrote:






I have an MB-V and an MB-IV.
  
The MB-IV experienced a fixed capacitor failure.  There is a stacked capacitor bank that was fabricated by Nye

using insulating sheet separated by metal plates.  One of the insulator sheets 
broke down.
  
I repaired it myself by unbolting the stack, cleaning up the affected capacitor plates, and replacing the insulator with a piece of teflon sheet that one of my friends happened to have.
  
So far so good on the repair, but I don't need to use the tuners much these days.
  
73 Charlie N8RR
  
  

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 13:33:10 -0400
From: he...@vitelcom.net
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

What is the model numberthere is not to much that can go wrong with
them.  You might check at the switches and coil for any bad contacts
which normally if not burned can be repaired with a pencil eraser or
some very light emery cloth.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ




On 11/3/2013 11:07 AM, michael kincaid wrote:

Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I that
works on these tuners?

Thanks,

Mike

w7...@fast.net

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Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[Nelson Moyer]

If the only problem is that the meter lights don't come on, you may need to
change the bulbs or the batteries. I got tired of changing batteries, so now
I use a 12 v power supply though an MFJ terminal strip for all my low
voltage needs.

Nelson, KU0A

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Schoenbohm
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 11:33 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

What is the model numberthere is not to much that can go wrong with 
them.  You might check at the switches and coil for any bad contacts 
which normally if not burned can be repaired with a pencil eraser or 
some very light emery cloth.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ




On 11/3/2013 11:07 AM, michael kincaid wrote:
> Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I that
> works on these tuners?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> w7...@fast.net
>
> _
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Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[Charlie Young]

I have an MB-V and an MB-IV.   
 
The MB-IV experienced a fixed capacitor failure.  There is a stacked capacitor 
bank that was fabricated by Nye  
using insulating sheet separated by metal plates.  One of the insulator sheets 
broke down. 
 
I repaired it myself by unbolting the stack, cleaning up the affected capacitor 
plates, and replacing the insulator with a piece of teflon sheet that one of my 
friends happened to have. 
 
So far so good on the repair, but I don't need to use the tuners much these 
days. 
 
73 Charlie N8RR 
 
 
> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 13:33:10 -0400
> From: he...@vitelcom.net
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A
> 
> What is the model numberthere is not to much that can go wrong with 
> them.  You might check at the switches and coil for any bad contacts 
> which normally if not burned can be repaired with a pencil eraser or 
> some very light emery cloth.
> 
> 
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2013 11:07 AM, michael kincaid wrote:
> > Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I that
> > works on these tuners?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > w7...@fast.net
> >
> > _
> > Topband Reflector
> 
> _
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Re: Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[Herb Schoenbohm]

What is the model numberthere is not to much that can go wrong with 
them.  You might check at the switches and coil for any bad contacts 
which normally if not burned can be repaired with a pencil eraser or 
some very light emery cloth.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ




On 11/3/2013 11:07 AM, michael kincaid wrote:

Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I that
works on these tuners?

Thanks,

Mike

w7...@fast.net

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Topband: Nye Viking MB-V-A

[michael kincaid]

Got my Inverted L fixed now the tuner has a problem. Anyone around I that
works on these tuners?

Thanks,

Mike

w7...@fast.net

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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Tom W8JI]

Well, if it is a ham, he must have a pretty decent antenna - being heard
rather well all round NA and SA!


A mediocre antenna and 50 watts will go all around the world in darkness on 
80 meters, especially if this is a costal station. This signal level appears 
to be nothing out of the ordinary ~100 watt dipole signal here, compared to 
other signals. 


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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Mike Waters]

If it's a ham, his rig could be screwed up. Although unlikely, the same
problem that causes the constant emission could cause it to switch modes or
transmit a carrier on two frequencies simultaneously. What else could have
caused the two simultaneous close-spaced carriers from a ham station? A
two-tone intermod test?

He also would have a very well-built amplifier, because those signal
reports sound like he's running far more than just 100 watts. Maybe
children were playing with grandpa's ham equipment. Or grandpa has
Alzheimer's.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com


On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:27 AM, W2PM  wrote:

> I thought I read here in earlier posts it went from CW dead carrier to
> rTty for a while tho?
>
> On Nov 3, 2013, at 2:46 AM, "Tom W8JI"  wrote:
>
> > One possibility is a Ham who works CW and has accidentally left his rig
> locked on. The abrupt disappearance around sunset was interesting. Someone
> flip a switch off for a while? I'm suspecting this is a Ham mistake.
>
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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Bill Cromwell]

On 11/03/2013 08:49 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:

Hi, Bill

Well, if it is a ham, he must have a pretty decent antenna - being heard
rather well all round NA and SA!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV



Oh yes!

Better than mine. Nobody gets any bragging rights for having a better 
antenna than mine. Mine used be be bigger and higher. Now I'm older and 
with a small lot. My throwing arm ain't what it once was and my feet do 
NOT belong higher than the ground!


73,

Bill  KU8H
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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[K4SAV]

The carrier on 3501.6 was off this morning (I  don't know for how 
long).  It just came back at 1355 UTC.  No RTTY at the beginning.  
That's twice with no RTTY at the beginning and once with RTTY.


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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Charlie Cunningham]

Hi, Bill

Well, if it is a ham, he must have a pretty decent antenna - being heard
rather well all round NA and SA!

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Bill Cromwell [mailto:wrcromw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 8:46 AM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

On 11/03/2013 08:29 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
> Well, if it's a ham, he/she must have pretty rugged finals in that rig!!!
>
> Charlie, K4OTV
>
>

Hi Charlie,

The dittler was on air two or three days (IIRC). He turned it off...it 
didn't flame out. Some hams tune for maximum smoke and some are much 
more conservative.

73,

Bill  KU8H

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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Bill Cromwell]

On 11/03/2013 08:29 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:

Well, if it's a ham, he/she must have pretty rugged finals in that rig!!!

Charlie, K4OTV




Hi Charlie,

The dittler was on air two or three days (IIRC). He turned it off...it 
didn't flame out. Some hams tune for maximum smoke and some are much 
more conservative.


73,

Bill  KU8H
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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Charlie Cunningham]

Thanks for confirming, JC. Well, that suggests that the source is onshore
somewhere here in the states - perhaps northern Florida or south Georgia?

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of JC N4IS
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 8:38 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

I just checked 3501.6 and I have no copy or trace during daytime. I'm
confirming the 350 degree direction from Ft Lauderdale 

JC
73's N4IS

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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[JC N4IS]

I just checked 3501.6 and I have no copy or trace during daytime. I'm
confirming the 350 degree direction from Ft Lauderdale 

JC
73's N4IS

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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Charlie Cunningham]

Well, if it's a ham, he/she must have pretty rugged finals in that rig!!!

Charlie, K4OTV

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Cromwell
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 8:18 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

I'm in north central Michigan at Houghton Lake - EN74oh. I have no 
directional antennas and only modestly helpful data. The band seems 
quiet this morning and I have a barely audible signal (1300Z). Daylight. 
Last night (0300-0400Z) it was bringing my S-meter up over S5 (whatever 
that means) and the R-599 is really oversensitive. I would normally have 
some attenuation cranked in on 80 meters. Just one more point of confusion.

This reminds of a guy we called "the dittler" on one of the shorter 
bands. He had moved something up against the dit side of his paddles and 
set his transmitter in action. Two or three days later the locals DFed 
him down to his front door and the embarrassed guy turned it off.

73,

Bill  KU8H
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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[W2PM]

I thought I read here in earlier posts it went from CW dead carrier to rTty for 
a while tho?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2013, at 2:46 AM, "Tom W8JI"  wrote:

>> This is looking like somewhere near the Florida/Georgia border, 
>> Jacksonville, Fl to Brunswick, Ga area.
> 
> The wave angle here at 0700Z is pretty high, so that makes it either a high 
> angle radiator with multiple hops or fairly close (but far beyond 
> groundwave). This makes it difficult to be exact on heading, but a reading 
> just now still runs in a line from my house crossing somewhat north of 
> Brunswick, GA to maybe as high as Blackbeard Island. (My mapping ability is 
> limited, so I am just eyeballing this.) I'm reading about 2 degrees more 
> north of what I was earlier, now centered on about 128 degrees, again with 
> tolerance of several degrees because of wave angle and constant changing of 
> the path. This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.
> 
> I will see how it is around noon. I'm pretty sure it will be readable in 
> daylight.
> 
> One possibility is a Ham who works CW and has accidentally left his rig 
> locked on. The abrupt disappearance around sunset was interesting. Someone 
> flip a switch off for a while? I'm suspecting this is a Ham mistake. 
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Re: Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Bill Cromwell]

I'm in north central Michigan at Houghton Lake - EN74oh. I have no 
directional antennas and only modestly helpful data. The band seems 
quiet this morning and I have a barely audible signal (1300Z). Daylight. 
Last night (0300-0400Z) it was bringing my S-meter up over S5 (whatever 
that means) and the R-599 is really oversensitive. I would normally have 
some attenuation cranked in on 80 meters. Just one more point of confusion.


This reminds of a guy we called "the dittler" on one of the shorter 
bands. He had moved something up against the dit side of his paddles and 
set his transmitter in action. Two or three days later the locals DFed 
him down to his front door and the embarrassed guy turned it off.


73,

Bill  KU8H
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Topband: FW: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Bolmar Aguilar]

 
From: bolmaragui...@hotmail.com
To: kk...@bresnan.net
Subject: RE: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 06:25:34 -0500




Good morning, the carrier on 3501.5, also very strong here in Northen Colombia, 
now the local tine 06.23 or 11:23 Gmt, just in our Sun Rise, 73s
 
> From: kk...@bresnan.net
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 03:50:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW
> 
> >but then at times the signal is briefly the same between the 160 and 300
> degree pennant 
> 
> >>This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.
> 
> Observing the same character here.
> With several daytime and nighttime readings, I can only best guess the
> following from DN36.
> 3500.845 is at 320 - 340 degrees
> 3501.580 is at 100 - 120 degrees
> 3503.150 is at 100 -120 degrees.
> 
> Another thing, each will occasionally (and randomly) have a sudden 10Hz or
> so shift for a few seconds.
> 
> VE6WZ - - do you have the 3500.845 carrier???
> 
> 
> Steve, KK7UV
> 
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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Steve Flood]

>but then at times the signal is briefly the same between the 160 and 300
degree pennant 

>>This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.

Observing the same character here.
With several daytime and nighttime readings, I can only best guess the
following from DN36.
3500.845 is at 320 - 340 degrees
3501.580 is at 100 - 120 degrees
3503.150 is at 100 -120 degrees.

Another thing, each will occasionally (and randomly) have a sudden 10Hz or
so shift for a few seconds.

VE6WZ - - do you have the 3500.845 carrier???


Steve, KK7UV

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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Ray Benny]

I have a Hi-Z RX 4sq system with 0 degrees at due north. At 0205Z today
(2Nov) the signal was about S7 NE and S6 SE. With QSB the SE signal would
almost equal the NE direction, but never louder. I have been listening on
and off since then, its now 0820Z, signals are weaker but the NE directions
is slightly louder.

I do not know how to interpret the signal direction, but my guess would be
slightly north of east from here???

My QTH is 15 miles north of Prescott, AZ, 34 44.390 N by 112 29.049 W.

Ray,
N6VR
Chino Valley, AZ


On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Tom W8JI  wrote:

> This is looking like somewhere near the Florida/Georgia border,
>> Jacksonville, Fl to Brunswick, Ga area.
>>
>>
> The wave angle here at 0700Z is pretty high, so that makes it either a
> high angle radiator with multiple hops or fairly close (but far beyond
> groundwave). This makes it difficult to be exact on heading, but a reading
> just now still runs in a line from my house crossing somewhat north of
> Brunswick, GA to maybe as high as Blackbeard Island. (My mapping ability is
> limited, so I am just eyeballing this.) I'm reading about 2 degrees more
> north of what I was earlier, now centered on about 128 degrees, again with
> tolerance of several degrees because of wave angle and constant changing of
> the path. This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.
>
> I will see how it is around noon. I'm pretty sure it will be readable in
> daylight.
>
> One possibility is a Ham who works CW and has accidentally left his rig
> locked on. The abrupt disappearance around sunset was interesting. Someone
> flip a switch off for a while? I'm suspecting this is a Ham mistake.
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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Don Kirk]

To follow up on Toms comments about high angle, I have noticed that at my
home QTH where I have have 3 pennants (one pointing 40 deg, one pointing
160 degrees, and one pointing 300 deg), that normally the signal is much
stronger on the pennant pointing 160 degrees (like 15 db stronger than the
300 degree pennant), but then at times the signal is briefly the same
between the 160 and 300 degree pennant (and even the 40 degree pennant)
which normally indicates signal arriving from very very very high angle
(very confounding data).  I will now shut up and see what the guys closer
in determine (especially during  middle of day readings).


On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Ray Benny  wrote:

> I have a Hi-Z RX 4sq system with 0 degrees at due north. At 0205Z today
> (2Nov) the signal was about S7 NE and S6 SE. With QSB the SE signal would
> almost equal the NE direction, but never louder. I have been listening on
> and off since then, its now 0820Z, signals are weaker but the NE directions
> is slightly louder.
>
> I do not know how to interpret the signal direction, but my guess would be
> slightly north of east from here???
>
> My QTH is 15 miles north of Prescott, AZ, 34 44.390 N by 112 29.049 W.
>
> Ray,
> N6VR
> Chino Valley, AZ
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Tom W8JI  wrote:
>
> > This is looking like somewhere near the Florida/Georgia border,
> >> Jacksonville, Fl to Brunswick, Ga area.
> >>
> >>
> > The wave angle here at 0700Z is pretty high, so that makes it either a
> > high angle radiator with multiple hops or fairly close (but far beyond
> > groundwave). This makes it difficult to be exact on heading, but a
> reading
> > just now still runs in a line from my house crossing somewhat north of
> > Brunswick, GA to maybe as high as Blackbeard Island. (My mapping ability
> is
> > limited, so I am just eyeballing this.) I'm reading about 2 degrees more
> > north of what I was earlier, now centered on about 128 degrees, again
> with
> > tolerance of several degrees because of wave angle and constant changing
> of
> > the path. This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves
> around.
> >
> > I will see how it is around noon. I'm pretty sure it will be readable in
> > daylight.
> >
> > One possibility is a Ham who works CW and has accidentally left his rig
> > locked on. The abrupt disappearance around sunset was interesting.
> Someone
> > flip a switch off for a while? I'm suspecting this is a Ham mistake.
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Re: Topband: Steady Carrier on 80 CW

[Tom W8JI]

This is looking like somewhere near the Florida/Georgia border, 
Jacksonville, Fl to Brunswick, Ga area.




The wave angle here at 0700Z is pretty high, so that makes it either a high 
angle radiator with multiple hops or fairly close (but far beyond 
groundwave). This makes it difficult to be exact on heading, but a reading 
just now still runs in a line from my house crossing somewhat north of 
Brunswick, GA to maybe as high as Blackbeard Island. (My mapping ability is 
limited, so I am just eyeballing this.) I'm reading about 2 degrees more 
north of what I was earlier, now centered on about 128 degrees, again with 
tolerance of several degrees because of wave angle and constant changing of 
the path. This is difficult to read accurately because heading moves around.


I will see how it is around noon. I'm pretty sure it will be readable in 
daylight.


One possibility is a Ham who works CW and has accidentally left his rig 
locked on. The abrupt disappearance around sunset was interesting. Someone 
flip a switch off for a while? I'm suspecting this is a Ham mistake. 


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