Re: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter

2014-03-14 Thread Carl
All the TV splitters Ive taken apart are pure autotransformers with poor 
isolation. A VNA will show them deterioating and doing very little at 160M.


It is simple enough to wind transformers for a splitter using 1/2 type 43 
toroids. See this link that gives an excellent discussion and also shows the 
cheap way of doing it and the better way. Guess what is used in consumer 
grade CATV versions.

http://www.minicircuits.com/app/AN10-006.pdf

Both versions have been in handbooks for decades and I first started using 
them with Beverages in the mid 80's. Ive also used them as combiners and 
connecting various combinations of 2 Beverages with some very beneficial 
performance at times. Port to port isolation was very important to me.


There are also several other on line versions, good and bad, if you do a 
Goggle for how to make a 2 way 50 ohm splitter


Carl
KM1H



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From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com

To: garyk...@wi.rr.com; 'Topband Mailing List' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter



One word of caution, Gary, if the CATV splitter is a transformer type,
rather than resistive it may of have enough low-frequency response for 160
m!  Check around with RS and your local electronics stores for 50 ohm 
2-way
splitters. Those are generally resistive and have frequency response from 
DC

up to a GHz or so.  Some of the TV stuff is transformer coupled.

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
K9GS

Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 PM
To: Topband Mailing List
Subject: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter

Can anyone point me to a design for a splitter for sharing a Beverage
antenna between two receivers?  This is for Field Day so these are not
optimized Beverages by any means.

Just want to allow the 80/40M stations to share antennas.  Nothing fancy.

My thoughts are to just use a CATV 2-Way splitter at the output of the
Beverage matching transformer and run separate feed-lines to each radio.
I'm pretty sure these things work down to 1 MHz but have not measured 
them.

I can use the pre-amp in the radio (K3) to compensate for the loss.

Thoughts?

--


73,

Gary K9GS

Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest
Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org



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Re: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter

2014-03-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Yeah, that's why I cautioned Gary about using CATV splitters at 160m.  Seems
that he has enough reserve gain with his Beverage and K3, that he could
certainly tolerate the loss of a 50 ohm resistive splitter. The design of
those is simple and he surely should be able to tolerate the 3.5 dB or so of
splitter loss.

73,
Charlie, K4OTV

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:41 AM
To: Charlie Cunningham; garyk...@wi.rr.com; 'Topband Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter

All the TV splitters Ive taken apart are pure autotransformers with poor 
isolation. A VNA will show them deterioating and doing very little at 160M.

It is simple enough to wind transformers for a splitter using 1/2 type 43 
toroids. See this link that gives an excellent discussion and also shows the

cheap way of doing it and the better way. Guess what is used in consumer 
grade CATV versions.
http://www.minicircuits.com/app/AN10-006.pdf

Both versions have been in handbooks for decades and I first started using 
them with Beverages in the mid 80's. Ive also used them as combiners and 
connecting various combinations of 2 Beverages with some very beneficial 
performance at times. Port to port isolation was very important to me.

There are also several other on line versions, good and bad, if you do a 
Goggle for how to make a 2 way 50 ohm splitter

Carl
KM1H



- Original Message - 
From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com
To: garyk...@wi.rr.com; 'Topband Mailing List' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter


 One word of caution, Gary, if the CATV splitter is a transformer type,
 rather than resistive it may of have enough low-frequency response for 160
 m!  Check around with RS and your local electronics stores for 50 ohm 
 2-way
 splitters. Those are generally resistive and have frequency response from 
 DC
 up to a GHz or so.  Some of the TV stuff is transformer coupled.

 73,
 Charlie, K4OTV

 -Original Message-
 From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
 K9GS
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 PM
 To: Topband Mailing List
 Subject: Topband: Passive Receive Antenna Splitter

 Can anyone point me to a design for a splitter for sharing a Beverage
 antenna between two receivers?  This is for Field Day so these are not
 optimized Beverages by any means.

 Just want to allow the 80/40M stations to share antennas.  Nothing fancy.

 My thoughts are to just use a CATV 2-Way splitter at the output of the
 Beverage matching transformer and run separate feed-lines to each radio.
 I'm pretty sure these things work down to 1 MHz but have not measured 
 them.
 I can use the pre-amp in the radio (K3) to compensate for the loss.

 Thoughts?

 -- 


 73,

 Gary K9GS

 Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest
 Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
 CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org

 

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