Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Very true Frank. 73 Price W0RI On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 6:28 PM, donov...@starpower.net donov...@starpower.net wrote: Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too and there's no chance he'll make that mistake again. Its time to move on... 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
So let me interpret. KK6ZM contacted you and by doing so all is well. I don't agree. It would take much more than a contact to make it well again. So is that all that took place? Or are you hiding the details. Or are you at fault? Doug If it helps - I don't know the guy, but we leave him in peace already? Or do we need to drum him out of the hobby just to make a point? I am sure he is not the first - nor the last, and probably not the worst offender. He made a mistake. Its over now. No point in going on and on about it. Lets leave it at that, and be done with it. Thanks Tom - VE3CX _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
On Tue,2/3/2015 4:14 PM, Glenn Wyant wrote: easy with 100 watts ( got him b4 the amp warmed up ) It should be -- you're a LOT closer than W6. :) Bragging rights go to N6ZFO -- he worked them from 150 miles N of San Francisco with 150W. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N and JA
It was interesting to me this morning to listen to the K1N operation attempt to put into their log some JA contacts. For approximately one hour before their sunup the K1N operator was making calls for JA only. The first time he tried, he did not pick up any JA. But, I heard some JA calling. The 2nd time he tried, about 10 minutes later, there was a horde of JA callers on and around the QSX freq of 1818. The propagation to my QTH was very good; much superior to the conditions just one week ago in the CQ 160 CW. K1N did manage to put a few JA in his log. The operator did a good job. For the most part, NA stations stood by and allowed the process to go forward. However, one station in particular, even after being asked by K1N to standby as he was working JA only, persisted in calling. This is a request to KK6ZM to please listen to the instructions of the expedition operator. Your behavior most likely precluded a number of JA stations from being logged by K1N. This is NOT good. 73, and I hope everyone has good luck in making the grade with K1N on Topband. Milt, N5IA - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9049 - Release Date: 02/03/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
Eddie, you beat me to it! :-) Just one person out of line on 160. I know that's one person too many, but compare that to the breathtakingly insane level of deliberate QRMing of K1N on the other bands! www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,101266.0.html 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca wrote: Good on you for having the temerity to reveal his call-sign to the entire group, and on Tree for having the courage to allow it to happen. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Test message ignore
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog Andrew Ikin _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Preamplifiers
Andy, The Clifton Labs Norton and the RPA-1 are both Push-pull designs and thus have high +80dBm second order intercepts. This is essential to avoid BCB mixing products affecting TB. Single ended amplifiers like the W7IUV may need some pre BCB filtering. 73 Andrew Ikin G8LUG _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Inverted L question
Art, from what I’ve read, I understand that the non-vertical part of the Inverted L does not have to be completely horizontal - it can slope with little detriment to it’s radiation pattern. I have two - one for 80 and one for 160. Both of ‘em slope away from the top support. Jim / W6JHB On Tuesday, Feb 3, 2015, at Tuesday, 1:55 PM, Art Snapper a...@nk8x.net wrote: I have been looking at locations on my property to install an Inverted L for 160. How important is it for the top part to be led away at a right angle? I was considering running it vertically 80ft, then about 25 feet at a 45 degree up angle and 25 feet at a 45 degree down angle, over the top of the supporting tree. de Art NK8X _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
One of the best things to happen to me is my K3 and my logging program, the pair are among the worst as well. The K3 remembers the settings I was at when I switch bands, I count on this, my logging program is the Loki in this. If I click on a spot I see in my logging program look at the spectrum and leave, it's most expeditious to re-click on the spot for the DX I'd originally been at. Problem is the split feature does not follow this unless I use the K3 to go back to that first QSO. If I do it the quick way, I have to remember to set split on the K3, otherwise I'm calling on the DX Tx frequency. I don't know how many times I've done this, far too many to neutralize by an apology. I really do make it a point to watch the split settings when I use my other software with the K3 but sometimes I slip and that isn't right. I appreciate it when someone calls me on it and brings it to my attention with a KA1J UP. What I can't understand are the others who don't listen to the obvious persist on calling on frequency when there's many Cops jawing away, alerting the offender. During the EP6T I was listening to the number of people ignoring the DX instructions. He's call EU and every stateside call area was calling him as were SA/AF, you name it, he calls USA and EU is clamoring his Rx frequencies with their calls; it's a global stupidity. One person I was talking with suggested it has to do with people using skimmers and CW reading software can't follow the code well enough to hear what is going on. That may be a possibility, I just think it's people being a bully and hoping to force the DX to pick them instead. The biggest gripe I have with what people do to try and steal a Q is when the DX operator hears someone, maybe me and asks for KA? and every other prefix in the alphabet gets right on frequency trying to steal that KA? Q. I've emailed a few of these people, even called one on the phone I was so angry. The DX might not have been going back to me but they weren't going back to a different prefix. I did though get K1N on 160 last night, no problem thankfully. Had them on CW from KP2A/KP1 back in 82, nice to have the 160 Q. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
If the KK6ZM story is fact, then he did what I would have done based on the operator at K1N's actions. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- This is not a defense of KK6ZM -- I don't even know the guy -- but I can assure you, he was very much aware of what he was doing. Patrick was in the Low Band Chat Room for the duration of this morning's opening. He heard and understood the K1N request for JA only. He also heard ~20 JAs calling. After a few K1N calls for JA, they went back to an out-of-turn caller, K4xxx. After that, KK6ZM waited until he was sure K1N was not hearing the JAs before he threw in his call. He took a lot of cluster heat, but some of the Low Band Chat guys encouraged him to keep trying. (They also heard the JA callers who K1N was apparently not hearing.) As I said, I know very little about KK6ZM, but I DO know this... When I still lived in CA, on 160, he out-heard me 10:1. This morning he was hearing K1N and the JAs very well. He was not being a deliberate bozo. It was not until K1N rewarded the K4 for out-of-turn calling that he tried his luck. Say what you want to about KK6ZM. In my opinion, K1N shot himself in the foot when he didn't follow his own in instructions. Now for my little vent... Nah, it ain't worth it! :o) Jim, WS6X --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Perhaps the REAL problem began with the guys in the chat room urging him on when common sense would have dictated that he refrain from transmitting until K1N cleared the field for NA callers. I had my gut full of chat rooms when a topband friend was flamed morning after morning on the ON_by a few topband gurus. Perhaps this same crew urged KK6ZM on to call when he did when he otherwise might have waited. Too bad he was pilloried on the reflectorhe was only one of several who were guilty of a multitude of offenses last night and this morning. Bill VE3CSK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
GM/GE all, I recall VP6DX at Ducie Island was using two ways to fight dQRM; slightly moving TXQRG up/dwn which brought difficulties to the jammers to follow; QSX up 4 and then dwn 5 for example. Those who did not copy could hardly call at the right QRG. I spent a lot of time listening and I found this system proved to work very well on 160. What say Milt? 73 Len SM7BIC -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] För Doug Renwick Skickat: den 3 februari 2015 17:02 Till: 'Milt -- N5IA'; topband@contesting.com Ämne: Re: Topband: K1N and JA This type of behaviour is nothing new. On any band when K1N sends an listening area request there are many stations ignoring it. Yes single out the perpetrators but don't restrict it to a single station. The list of stations calling out of turn would fill pages and pages. Look at some of my spots where I have displayed the call signs that I monitored ignoring K1N's instructions. Some email me and say sorry I didn't hear. Well if you can't hear then don't call. This problem will not be fixed easily if ever. Doug -Original Message- It was interesting to me this morning to listen to the K1N operation attempt to put into their log some JA contacts. For approximately one hour before their sunup the K1N operator was making calls for JA only. The first time he tried, he did not pick up any JA. But, I heard some JA calling. The 2nd time he tried, about 10 minutes later, there was a horde of JA callers on and around the QSX freq of 1818. The propagation to my QTH was very good; much superior to the conditions just one week ago in the CQ 160 CW. K1N did manage to put a few JA in his log. The operator did a good job. For the most part, NA stations stood by and allowed the process to go forward. However, one station in particular, even after being asked by K1N to standby as he was working JA only, persisted in calling. This is a request to KK6ZM to please listen to the instructions of the expedition operator. Your behavior most likely precluded a number of JA stations from being logged by K1N. This is NOT good. 73, and I hope everyone has good luck in making the grade with K1N on Topband. Milt, N5IA - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9049 - Release Date: 02/03/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Preamplifiers
andy, for many years i used the Palomar preamp. it worked well in the presence of a 50kw AM station on 1550khz. though it may be of older design and there are better pre-amps available it may be available at reasonable cost. good luck. larry n7dd -Original Message- From: Andrew Ikin andrew.i...@btopenworld.com To: Andy YO3JR andyru...@gmail.com; topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Preamplifiers Andy, The Clifton Labs Norton and the RPA-1 are both Push-pull designs and thus have high +80dBm second order intercepts. This is essential to avoid BCB mixing products affecting TB. Single ended amplifiers like the W7IUV may need some pre BCB filtering. 73 Andrew Ikin G8LUG _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Preamplifiers
On 2015-02-03, at 1:19 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Hi, Eddy I used one of the old Ameco vacuum tube preamp/pre-selectors, that I borrowed from my friend, bill, K4CIA, for my KAZ terminated receiving loops several years ago. It was great! - had plenty of gain and because it was vacuum tube, it wasn't susceptible to damage from transmit RF picked up in the loop. I no longer have the KAZ loop, but I'm going to build another one. Bill had a second newer JFET version o fthe Ameco, that I bought from him. I expect I'll have to take more care with protecting the JFET device. T he old vacuum tube Ameco pream work great onn 160, 80, 40 and 30m, where I used it. F course I didn't need it with the 5-band quad for the higher bands - mostly on loop on 160, where the antenna gain was low, but it was a very quiet antenna, and I heard things on 160 that I couldn't hear before. I ran the Ameco into the receive antenna input on my FT-1000MP. Worked great! 73, Charlie, K4OTV\ Hi Charlie, Yes, they do, indeed, work great for me, too... I have both the AMECO nuvistor version here that I place before my old back-up Drake R-4---and which I got for a mere five bucks at a Hamfest!---as well as the solidstate version that I had before my K9AY loops Beverage antenna. As I mentioned before, if overly strong signals happen to overload either one, I merely reduce the gain on them. Why any Ham who sees these wonderful old devices practically being GIVEN away at 'fests doesn't pick them up, is beyond me---I guess the more proper thing to do anymore is to whip out the ol' VISA card, to buy a more modern designer pre-amp! ~73!~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
On Tue,2/3/2015 10:02 AM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: This is a request to KK6ZM to please listen to the instructions of the expedition operator. Your behaviour most likely precluded a number of JA stations from being logged by K1N. He's not the only one. I worked them last night -- not very loud, copy was tough but good enough. Just before I worked him, someone was tuning almost on top of me with dits. Right after I worked him, a local big gun, multi-multi-honor roll, started blind calling him nearly non-stop zero beat with where I had worked him, while K1N was working other stations. A real bully. Not good. I couldn't hear him is not an excuse. If you can't copy him, don't call! 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
On 2015-02-03, at 11:41 AM, Lennart m wrote: GM/GE all, I recall VP6DX at Ducie Island was using two ways to fight dQRM; slightly moving TXQRG up/dwn which brought difficulties to the jammers to follow; QSX up 4 and then dwn 5 for example. Those who did not copy could hardly call at the right QRG. I spent a lot of time listening and I found this system proved to work very well on 160. What say Milt? 73 Len SM7BIC Hi Len, I think that what I would do here, personally, if I was an integral part of a DX-pedition, is to actually exchange 599's with the repeat offender (at least it might finally shut him up, right?), and then never confirm the contact, post-expedition... But not being a subscriber to Lotw, I don't know if such a thing is even possible these days...in the pre-electronic days, when hard-copy QSL cards dictated everything, it would have been an easy thing to black ball a repeat offender in that manner---but to-day...? I don't know. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N and JA
Eddy, Mike, Doug, and Len, I have been contacted by KK6ZM and all is well. There is no need for further comments. RE your question , Len, that is correct. Only the DX operator can make the decisions which are necessary to mitigate what ever circumstance. It is up to the rest of us to honor whatever the request might be. 73 de Milt, N5IA From: Eddy Swynar Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 5:20 AM To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N and JA On 2015-02-03, at 7:10 AM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: This is a request to KK6ZM to please listen to the instructions of the expedition operator. Your behaviour most likely precluded a number of JA stations from being logged by K1N. This is NOT good. Milt, N5IA - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4281/9050 - Release Date: 02/03/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
-Original Message- It was interesting to me this morning to listen to the K1N operation attempt to put into their log some JA contacts. SNIP For the most part, NA stations stood by and allowed the process to go forward. However, one station in particular, even after being asked by K1N to standby as he was working JA only, persisted in calling. This is a request to KK6ZM to please listen to the instructions of the expedition operator. Your behavior most likely precluded a number of JA stations from being logged by K1N. This is NOT good. 73, and I hope everyone has good luck in making the grade with K1N on Topband. Milt, N5IA This is not a defense of KK6ZM -- I don't even know the guy -- but I can assure you, he was very much aware of what he was doing. Patrick was in the Low Band Chat Room for the duration of this morning's opening. He heard and understood the K1N request for JA only. He also heard ~20 JAs calling. After a few K1N calls for JA, they went back to an out-of-turn caller, K4xxx. After that, KK6ZM waited until he was sure K1N was not hearing the JAs before he threw in his call. He took a lot of cluster heat, but some of the Low Band Chat guys encouraged him to keep trying. (They also heard the JA callers who K1N was apparently not hearing.) As I said, I know very little about KK6ZM, but I DO know this... When I still lived in CA, on 160, he out-heard me 10:1. This morning he was hearing K1N and the JAs very well. He was not being a deliberate bozo. It was not until K1N rewarded the K4 for out-of-turn calling that he tried his luck. Say what you want to about KK6ZM. In my opinion, K1N shot himself in the foot when he didn't follow his own in instructions. Now for my little vent... Nah, it ain't worth it! :o) Jim, WS6X _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
On 2015-02-03, at 2:11 PM, Jim - WS6X wrote: Say what you want to about KK6ZM. In my opinion, K1N shot himself in the foot when he didn't follow his own in instructions. Jim, WS6X Hi Jim, That has to be CARDINAL SIN #1 if you're a DX-peditioner, as it's YOU who calls the shots, and sets the sequence of events that might unfold, based upon YOUR actions directives... It only encourages behaviour as was earlier noted. Chaos lawlessness is the price to be paid by all for such a lack of due diligence... Maybe they should have a list of Pre-Historic DX-Pedition Operations in QST, besides one reserved for stations that want to get into the log sheets...! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Inverted L question
The most important part of an inverted L is the counterpoise, be it raised radials, buried or on-ground radials or an FCP. Be sure you can do a counterpoise well. Otherwise the counterpoise can be a huge RF loss, easily negating anything done well with the L wire itself. Next the vertical part of the wire is most important. 80 feet up will do very well, and will carry the large majority of total RF current density. The horizontal will fill in the hole in the doughnut pattern of a vertical, but more useful, you can use its length to help tune the antenna. Adding or taking away from the far end of the horizontal can be a very useful tuning device. The shape, slope, straightness of the horizontal are fairly immaterial. Dropping down at 45 degrees will produce a lower feed Z and a narrower bandwidth than the same pulled away parallel to the ground. The pattern of an L always has a mild to moderate weakness in the otherwise omnidirectional pattern, in the direction that the horizontal pulls away from the bend in the L. In the Southeast US, you want the horizontal wire of an L to pull away toward the SE, so the weak quadrant is not to the SW, W, NW, N or NE. 73, Guy K2AV On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Art Snapper a...@nk8x.net wrote: I have been looking at locations on my property to install an Inverted L for 160. How important is it for the top part to be led away at a right angle? I was considering running it vertically 80ft, then about 25 feet at a 45 degree up angle and 25 feet at a 45 degree down angle, over the top of the supporting tree. de Art NK8X _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
hi frank, as a matter of courtesy i sent KK6ZM a personal email suggesting that his behavior was totally wrong when calling K1N and that an apology on the topband reflector would be in order. his reply was something like stick it where the sun don't shine . he stated that he was only using a 53 foot long wire and could not possibly cause any damage to the operation. this ham is clueless and possibly his well known father who i consider to be a world class operator can explain proper operating practices. 73, larry n7dd -Original Message- From: donovanf donov...@starpower.net To: topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 9:23 pm Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too and there's no chance he'll make that mistake again. Its time to move on... 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Hi guys, We've beat up KK6ZM enough for his honest mistake, we all make mistakes. By now I'm sure Patrick has heard from his well known father and his uncles too and there's no chance he'll make that mistake again. Its time to move on... 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Inverted L question
I have been looking at locations on my property to install an Inverted L for 160. How important is it for the top part to be led away at a right angle? I was considering running it vertically 80ft, then about 25 feet at a 45 degree up angle and 25 feet at a 45 degree down angle, over the top of the supporting tree. de Art NK8X _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
