Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! 73.l Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : >Dado, > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do >you complain when the car is not perfect? > >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? > >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person >and deserve such consideration. ;-) >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, >and thank you. > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular >bumper sticker in the US which said: > >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I >think you can figure it out. > >Garry, NI6T > > > -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone) DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Hi Charlie and gang, It is not that simple and I am a guilty party of early on dupes on 160 meters with K1N because of the following. Early on 160 meters the jamming was horrible so it was impossible to hear the confirmation. Early on K1N was responding so fast that they were beating my cw break in even though I have it just set so it does not drop out when sending my call to prevent weak dots (I have a lot of dots), and impossible to hear the front of my call so could not tell if they had it right. Early on sounded like they we using paddles going way too fast for conditions (and making sending mistakes) and/or had amp keying problems which made it sound like busted calls, and without clublog no way of knowing you were good in the log (not a busted call). I had discussions early on with the pilot station (first time in 38 years I had ever contacted a pilot station) about some of the above topics because I felt horrible that I was going to attempt another contact on 160 meters due to the above issues. Things have since improved and they are doing great. What I learned as a w1aw/9 op was that sending speed much above 26 to 28 wpm was not really much of a time saver, repeating a stations call twice often helped the other station know I had his call good, and sending the stations call twice also made the band go silent by others because they could hear exactly who I was responding because folks with longer calls or slower sending speeds would still be sending otherwise during my response to a station and they were clueless about my sending/response status. I again apologize for being a dupe in the K1N log (only on 160 meters), it was just due to "perfect storm conditions" mentioned above and the fact that my call is just so dang tough for folks to copy. Sorry and 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Charlie Cunningham < charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need > as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of > "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good > QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to > find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a > slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys > that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they > simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? > In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple > procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the > pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! > That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! > > 73.l > Charlie, K4OTV > > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com ] On > Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log > > > Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or > not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. > No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their > computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. > > Kevin K3OX > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Charlie Cunningham" > > To: "Eddy Swynar" >, > topband@contesting.com > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log > > Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, > 5BDXCC etc.. > > All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be > avoided if folks would do the following:\ > > 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing > etc. > > 2.0 Copy your report > > 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX > Station > Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) > by "Thanks" or TU > > 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report > > 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit > > Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if > you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience > and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats > tuning up on the DX QRG! > > It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a > good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! > > I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO > DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com ] On > Behalf Of Eddy > Swynar > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log > > How did we
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Thanks everyone for your advice on times. I had not been paying attn. at all this week due to work & home responsibilities. I tried late last evening and although they were an honest S9 here, the p/u was fierce. When they started calling for EU, I went to bed. Tried @ 4am, but they were not QRV. At 7am local, I was most fortunate to get them on 160-80 then 40 inside 10 minutes. Almost too easy (oops, did I say that?) I’ll pay for that I am sure….. ;-) hi Awesome operators and honestly awesome signals on all bands I’ve heard them on. Shame that QRM follows them around. Cheers, Mike VE9AA, dit dit Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From: Tom Haavisto [mailto:kamha...@gmail.com] Sent: February 6, 2015 7:55 PM To: Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? Hi Mike Good time to catch them is after EU sunrise - say around 3-4 A.M. your time. I worked them the other morning - one call :-) Tom - VE3CX On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote: OK, finally, Friday has arrived and although I have a new one on 14MHz from the car (on my way to work) , I don't yet have it on TOP. My house radio has been off since the SSB Sprint. Are they following any kind of schedule for 160m? What time would be a good time to get on from the East Coast of NA? Thanks all GL in the fray. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I have never understood why. I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
I agree. Many times when I was at KH6 at the bottom of the cycle, I would self spot on 10 or 12 since the band was supposedly dead and no one was listening. The boys in EU would be very happy and more often than not I'd be rewarded with a Q on a "dead band". Many times that one Q would be followed by a string of more EU Qs. In fact, at the bottom of the cycle I managed over 50 or 60 Qs with EU (a polar path) doing the self spot. Now remember, that was a "dead band". Now as for self spotting on 15 at 1300Z, that is a no-no as far as I am concerned. Bill K4XS/KH7XS In a message dated 2/7/2015 12:31:13 P.M. Coordinated Universal Time, mikew...@gmail.com writes: Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I have never understood why. I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
No one would be harmed. In the spot notes something like " cq dx band open to AS" would be just fine. It's only prohibited in contests. 73, Juha OH6XX 7.2.2015 14.31 kirjoitti "Mike Waters" : > Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what > harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I > have never understood why. > > I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I > know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard > other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then > some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. > > Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this > AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. > > Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
Thanks. And it goes without saying that self-spotting during a contest is a no-no, too. :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Cqtestk4xs--- via Topband < topband@contesting.com> wrote: > I agree. ... Now as for self spotting on 15 at 1300Z, that is a no-no as > far as I am > concerned. > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
Mike, You did "self spot" just by calling CQ, more than 15 times. It's automatic. http://www.reversebeacon.net/dxsd1/dxsd1.php?f=0&c=W0btu&t=dx 73...Stan, K5GO Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Mike Waters wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what > harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I > have never understood why. > > I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I > know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard > other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then > some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. > > Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this > AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. > > Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
Hello Mike, Just a comment - the Reverse Beacon Network reported many W0BTU spots this morning from the Skimmer receivers. Anyone watching the RBN knew you were calling CQ. I also heard you FB this AM while turning the "big knob" here! 73, Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Waters Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:31 AM To: topband Subject: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong? Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I have never understood why. I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
I don't have a problem at all with self spotting, regardless of band, time or mode. However, if you do self spot, you owe it to the community to stick around for 15 mins or so, on or near that frequency (if you can hold it) for people to come work you. Not all of us can get to our radios at the drop of the dime, and then we may need to wait for our tubes to warm up, etc. If you self spot, and then QSY or QRT before anyone gets a chance to get to you, you have just inconvenienced anyone who may have gone out of their way to get to their radio to work you. The *Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur *by ON4UN et al. as adopted by the IARU section III.6.5 lists self Spotting as a No No. Personally I think it may be time to update the ethics. Now that our clusters have largely migrated to the internet, there is plenty of bandwidth for information from self spotters. Our cluster/logging software can filter out information that is unwanted, such as DX and DE calls that are the same. Now, self spotting in a contest (if prohibited by the rules of the contest) earns you a disqualification. I don't think anyone will argue with that. Greg N2GZ On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Tim Duffy wrote: > Hello Mike, > > Just a comment - the Reverse Beacon Network reported many W0BTU spots this > morning from the Skimmer receivers. Anyone watching the RBN knew you were > calling CQ. > > I also heard you FB this AM while turning the "big knob" here! > > 73, > Tim K3LR > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Waters > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:31 AM > To: topband > Subject: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong? > > Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what > harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I > have never understood why. > > I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I > know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard > other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then > some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. > > Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this > AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. > > Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
I mostly rely on reversebeacon skimmers to "spot me". I know for sure whenever I issue a CQ, and I'm not specifically in a contest unassisted, I am also watching reversebeacon. If I call CQ on 160M and get spotted by 2 EU skimmers, then conditions are OK. If I call CQ and get spotted by 10 EU skimmers on 160M, then I know things are really good. But you're right, many people do not watch skimmer reversebeacon spots, and I sometimes stir up even more action by self-spotting. Earlier this year I was having a blast with 40M being open in my late afternoon to JA/VK/ZL/AS and would self-spot with the direction I was looking for (because otherwise I get called by hordes of weak EU's loading up their QRP rig into their bedsprings). EP6T and K1N have been interesting curses. They were new ones for me, but they really do "suck the life" out of casual CQ'ing for DX. Many times I have been CQ'ing 10 kc below them on 160/80/40, and had, um, less than complimentary responses from the DX cops. I heard SU9VB CQ'ing on 20M SSB, and the DX cops were actually telling his callers "he's not K1N, go away". OTOH going to 15M and CQ'ing 10kc below K1N when the band is open to JA (and conditions have been just gangbusters to JA on 15M), has been a reliable way to stir up JA activity. Tim N3QE On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Mike Waters wrote: > Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what > harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I > have never understood why. > > I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I > know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard > other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then > some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. > > Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this > AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. > > Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : >Dado, > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do >you complain when the car is not perfect? > >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? > >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person >and deserve such consideration. ;-) >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, >and thank you. > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular >bumper sticker in the US which said: > >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I >think you can figure it out. > >Garry, NI6T > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the "Marshall Plan for DX"? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a "kickstarter" for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Doug Renwick wrote: > The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group > should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is > right. > > Doug > > > -Original Message- > > Garry, > In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don > Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of > the > ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. > This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much > one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain > expedition. > You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more > equal then the others. > I think this is completely wrong. > In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those > who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your > theory, > have paid for their free lunch? > I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally > expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. > > Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : > >Dado, > > > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your > >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? > > > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do > >you complain when the car is not perfect? > > > >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you > >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? > > > >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your > >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person > >and deserve such consideration. ;-) > >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, > >and thank you. > > > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular > >bumper sticker in the US which said: > > > >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I > >think you can figure it out. > > > >Garry, NI6T > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Agree, Tim. No need for bragging by contributors. The flip side is there should be no complaining by those who don't (or even those who do!). - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:44 AM To: Doug Renwick Cc: Victor Goncharsky; Garry Shapiro; topBand List Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the "Marshall Plan for DX"? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a "kickstarter" for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
Contest it’s a no no and we all know that and it usually in the rules. But I am not a power station or a highly wanted call unless you want to work me because I am 5 miles from downtown Hell Michigan. Guess how that works :-). There were times in the past that I called CQ got nothing and spotted myself with a note looking to WAS and I got some replies that way. So what is the difference of spotting ones self to jump start activity or trying to schedule a sked to work a state or country. Now the reverse beacon thing is something that I am going to have to learn about. Anyway it’s a hobby and if its not a contest I think its ok to spot yourself as its about fun. ~73 Don KD8NNU 2014 3905CC Top Gun :-) -.- -.. ---.. -. -. ..- -Original Message- From: Greg Zenger Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:08 AM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong? I don't have a problem at all with self spotting, regardless of band, time or mode. However, if you do self spot, you owe it to the community to stick around for 15 mins or so, on or near that frequency (if you can hold it) for people to come work you. Not all of us can get to our radios at the drop of the dime, and then we may need to wait for our tubes to warm up, etc. If you self spot, and then QSY or QRT before anyone gets a chance to get to you, you have just inconvenienced anyone who may have gone out of their way to get to their radio to work you. The *Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur *by ON4UN et al. as adopted by the IARU section III.6.5 lists self Spotting as a No No. Personally I think it may be time to update the ethics. Now that our clusters have largely migrated to the internet, there is plenty of bandwidth for information from self spotters. Our cluster/logging software can filter out information that is unwanted, such as DX and DE calls that are the same. Now, self spotting in a contest (if prohibited by the rules of the contest) earns you a disqualification. I don't think anyone will argue with that. Greg N2GZ On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Tim Duffy wrote: Hello Mike, Just a comment - the Reverse Beacon Network reported many W0BTU spots this morning from the Skimmer receivers. Anyone watching the RBN knew you were calling CQ. I also heard you FB this AM while turning the "big knob" here! 73, Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Waters Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:31 AM To: topband Subject: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong? Pardon my ignorance, but if there is little or no activity on 160, what harm does spotting one's own "CQ DX" do? I know it's frowned upon, but I have never understood why. I called CQ DX for awhile this morning before dawn, and no one answered. I know that propagation was decent, because I worked a VK2, K1N, and heard other DX. Perhaps if I would have spotted myself on the DX cluster, then some DX station would have taken notice and answered me. Not everyone tunes the bands looking for CQs all the time (like I did this AM after K1N's sunrise). But lots of people monitor the cluster. Just who would I have harmed (any why) if I would have self-spotted myself? 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
The last time I saw numbers several years ago the US had something like 530,000 licensed hams which I think was more than all other countries together (or close to it). No way to know what percentage are DXers and possibly concerned with working a particular DXpedition. However, it might be more relevant if the percentages of financing were percentages of DXers that contributed. It may be still skewed of course. The percentage of QSOs doesn't really account for propagation or distance to between the DXpedition site and DXer QTH. I have been on the radio at times where working the next county (let alone another country) was an amazing feat on HF but I have also been on at times where you could work just about any place in the world at the same time. When I have operated from XV openings to the East Coast of the US have not been very often and are usually of short duration. Openings to South America even fewer and more challenging. Openings to Europe are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor Goncharsky' ; ga...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: "Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Tim those are kind thoughts. But let me ask 'how much do you contribute in $". As those who watch our governments see it is easy for them to give away other people's money. EU economic woes are self inflicted! How many times does EU need to be bailed out? Forever? I am not American but I appreciate a lot, not all, of the sacrifices they have made. Doug -Original Message- I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the "Marshall Plan for DX"? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a "kickstarter" for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Doug Renwick wrote: > The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group > should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is > right. > > Doug > > > -Original Message- > > Garry, > In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don > Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of > the > ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. > This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much > one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain > expedition. > You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more > equal then the others. > I think this is completely wrong. > In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those > who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your > theory, > have paid for their free lunch? > I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally > expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. > > Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : > >Dado, > > > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your > >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? > > > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do > >you complain when the car is not perfect? > > > >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you > >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? > > > >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your > >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person > >and deserve such consideration. ;-) > >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, > >and thank you. > > > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular > >bumper sticker in the US which said: > > > >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I > >think you can figure it out. > > > >Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
The only thing that was temporarily "lost" was the information on Clublog. That was done intentionally by the team to fix an issue with 10 MHz RTTY QSO's not being sent correctly to Clublog. The team cleared out Clublog, and then re-uploaded all of the QSO's to Clublog with the correct band/mode. There was never any danger of losing the actual log, which is being stored in multiple different formats and media on the island. The overreaction here on Topband was unbelievable. Very sad for a bunch of folks I used to think had some intelligence. 73, Steve, N2IC On 02/07/2015 12:51 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: By the way, Kevin it's one thing, if, as happened with K1N, that QSOs appeared in the log and then disappeared! - THAT's DATA-LOSS! But an awful lot of guys were waiting anxiously to see if they had a "good" QSO that never appeared in the online logs! That's another matter entirely, that depends on the operator. That's the one I had intended to address! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Larry: The number of US hams isn't the issue, it's the number of DXers working each DXpedition. And the better number to look at is uniques. My Dayton presentation is here: www.ncdxf.org/misc/N1DG-DXpeditioncosts-Dayton2012.ppt My NCDXF article is here on pages 5 through 7 : http://www.ncdxf.org/newsletters/2012-AUTUMN.pdf Since I did the research, NCDXF has received updated information from its grantees that has not changed the results presented. Don N1DG At 09:11 AM 2/7/2015, Larry wrote: The last time I saw numbers several years ago the US had something like 530,000 licensed hams which I think was more than all other countries together (or close to it). No way to know what percentage are DXers and possibly concerned with working a particular DXpedition. However, it might be more relevant if the percentages of financing were percentages of DXers that contributed. It may be still skewed of course. The percentage of QSOs doesn't really account for propagation or distance to between the DXpedition site and DXer QTH. I have been on the radio at times where working the next county (let alone another country) was an amazing feat on HF but I have also been on at times where you could work just about any place in the world at the same time. When I have operated from XV openings to the East Coast of the US have not been very often and are usually of short duration. Openings to South America even fewer and more challenging. Openings to Europe are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor Goncharsky' ; ga...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. ðÑÔÎÉÃÁ, 06 ÆÅ×ÒÁÌÑ 2015, 18:27 -08:00 ÏÔ Garry Shapiro : >Dado, > >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? > >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do >you complain when the car is not perfect? > >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? > >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person >and deserve such consideration. ;-) >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, >and thank you. > >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular >bumper sticker in the US which said: > >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free." That is American slang, but I >think you can figure it out. > >Garry, NI6T > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, C92DG, /VP8O, /KH4, / KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V /A7 Webmaster: VP8O, K4M, BS7H, 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI 2006 inductee into the CQ Magazine DX Hall of Fame Member: NCDXF, CWops, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC AIM SKYPE: aurumtel Please consider the environment before printing this email _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Charlie, that's my point. The people who keep calling in the pile are AWARE that they may not have a QSO, that's why they keep calling. With all the intentional QRM on K1N, it's possible they were never even aware that K1N returned to them! And that can lead to "accidental" dupes not the fault of K1N or the calling station. But the original subject (see subject line in header) was people thinking they had to re-work them because they were not or at least no longer in the Clublog ummm... errr... log. Personally, I took it on faith that if the pilots said the log on the island was fine and never in jeopardy and it was just a Clublog issue, I need not worry and I certainly didn't rework them. Some didn't feel as confident and decided upon "safety contacts". But from what I saw here, no one questioned whether their contact was good in the first place, just whether it was still in the K1N log. BTW, with all due respect, the "simple procedures" you mentioned below are fine for casual DXing, but in DXpedition pileups, its: (K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): 5NN (K1N): TU You would make mucho people (including possibly the op on the Dxpedition) very unhappy if everyone went: (K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): K1N DE K3OX TU 5NN BK (K1N): K3OX QSL TU DE K1N UP (K3OX): TU Dit Dit It's a trade off between absolute certainty and speed, getting more calls in the log. Maybe an unacceptable trade-off to you, but I suspect not to the majority of ops in Contest/DXpedition scenarios. Best, Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: kol...@rcn.com, topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:06:46 AM Subject: RE: Topband: K1N On Line Log And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! 73.l Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0 COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0 Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0 LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"! Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
I am surprised no one has replied. Maybe they are all in shock with disbelief. No, the very sad thing is that someone would publically post such a condescending remark about his fellow amateurs, calling them all stupid. Doug -Original Message- The overreaction here on Topband was unbelievable. Very sad for a bunch of folks I used to think had some intelligence. 73, Steve, N2IC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Tensioning of RG58 coax for 2-way Beverage
Many thanks to all those who replied to my query regarding the tensioning of RG58 coax for a 2-way Beverage. I managed to find some suitably sized Kellums grips over on this side of the pond, so that's the way that I'll be going. 73s Tracey G5VU _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
I don't think it's wrong, it says you're QRV & here's where to find me. Sounds good to me. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong?
I agree, Gary. Over the years I've seem a number of DX stations do that - especially on quiet bands or if they have more modest stations, or are in really far-away places. It's never bothered me and I've always just viewed as an invitation and an announcement that they are QRV. Of course, alerting the "packlet-rats", is likely to get a lot of action! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 5:38 PM To: Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Is self-spotting ALWAYS wrong? I don't think it's wrong, it says you're QRV & here's where to find me. Sounds good to me. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. See below: THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting hams worldwide. HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's been in development for several years; its first major test will be the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you can help! Doug "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: W9WBL V2L paddle
Well, I was fortunate to stumble in to a W9WBL V2L paddle, serial # 84. Still in great condition and going to "put it through its paces" over the coming week. Anyone ever owned one? If you have, contact me off line as I have a couple of questions - if you have a copy of the 3 page instruction paperwork that came with it, I'd like a copy - scanned and e-mailed is fine. Thank you, in advance, for any info you can proffer. 72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
They were very loud at 0100Z here today (last night). They were on 1817.5, QSX up. GL to all... 73, Stew K3ND _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I haven't bothered with it, Doug. I see it mostly as an "exercise in futility". The "cops" never ID, and the MOST TROUBLESOME QRM is from "packet-rats" seeing the spots and then tuning up interminably on to he DX QRG - of course they never ID either - and they are too lazy and inconsiderate to move off the DX QRG to tune up!! :( 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:05 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. See below: THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting hams worldwide. HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's been in development for several years; its first major test will be the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you can help! Doug "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I am waiting for the reverse DQRM project; the one that will deal guys who are deliberately QRM'ing MY signal when I am trying to call the DX station ! They know that is my frequency to use and they call him anyway. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPad air > On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Charlie Cunningham > wrote: > > I haven't bothered with it, Doug. I see it mostly as an "exercise in > futility". The "cops" never ID, and the MOST TROUBLESOME QRM is from > "packet-rats" seeing the spots and then tuning up interminably on to he DX > QRG - of course they never ID either - and they are too lazy and > inconsiderate to move off the DX QRG to tune up!! :( > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug > Renwick > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:05 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of > deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops > or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the > guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional > antenna. > See below: > > > THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM > (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions > all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the > joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX > Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. > The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has > been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The > objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal > means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this > problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting > hams worldwide. > HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of > triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be > pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at > www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a > reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a > close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting > devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's > been in development for several years; its first major test will be the > 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. > WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. > All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database > and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you > can help! > > Doug > > "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could > believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
It would be nice to set something like this up that works, but it would take more than just how loud someone is. Strength alone is pretty much useless. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Strength is useless unless he is a local. We have been dealing with one for years, but he preferred to harass SSB ops on 20. The FCC issued a $22,000 NAL last year. Maybe that will shut him up. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: > It would be nice to set something like this up that works, but it would > take more than just how loud someone is. > > Strength alone is pretty much useless. > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
On Sat,2/7/2015 11:01 AM, Doug Renwick wrote: No, the very sad thing is that someone would publically post such a condescending remark about his fellow amateurs, calling them all stupid. Steve's comments are right on. Jim, K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
