Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Alaska is definitely a very special case Garry On 2/17/2015 7:52 PM, KL7RA wrote: I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
True, George1 Those were excellent times for 160, 80 and 40m and worked well for me! There's a lot to be said for keeping an eye on the daylight map and being where the competition isn''t! My 160 antenna has been down for a few years, but I had a very easy 160 QSO with K1N using the remnant of my 80m GP with only one radial! Great job! Thanks! 73. Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeWallner Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:28 PM To: jon jones; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On Tue,2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. That's exactly what I told my buddies out here who wanted to work you. Thanks for another great trip, George. When I saw you and Tomi on the list of participants, I knew that 160M would be done well. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones n...@hotmail.com wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Jon, If you haven't already, check this app out! It was just great figuring out time slots to try the various bands for the K1N expedition! It's a VERY useful tool for DXers - especially low-band DXers! Sure beats the old plastic DX Edge that we used in the old days. Very useful for looking at the gray-line (terminator ) as it changes daily throughout the year and watching in real time as the sun and daylight and darkness move over a Mercator projection of a map of the earth. Try it! You'll like it!! Enjoy! 73, Charlie, K4OTV http://www.world-timezone.com/daylight-map/ -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of jon jones Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:45 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015
HC1PF, Luis, was having fun last night with a solid/non-QSB signal working a nice EU pileup. He was a 579 when we QSOed and I was running somewhere around 300W with the losses, probably closer to 200 at the antenna. Nice to hear him again, it'll take awhile to get used to hearing his new call. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015
Luis is ten km east of Quito, only one thousand feet (300 meters) south of the equator at an elevation of 7800 feet. In Quito they refer to their dry season (Jun-Sep) as summer and their wet season (Oct-May) as winter. Most days are in the upper 60s and most nights are in the upper 40s. Temperatures rarely exceeding 90 and are only very rarely below freezing. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Ross Primrose n...@n4rp.com To: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com, Rune Øye runee...@hotmail.com, topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:35:52 PM Subject: Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015 HC1PF is, according to QRZ, a whopping 10' (yeah, minutes, not degrees) south of the equator. Summer/winter is pretty much meaningless that close to the equator... 73, Ross N4RP On 2/17/2015 4:50 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Well, do keep in mind, Rune, that it's summertime in Ecuador, and he has summertime QRN, whereas it's wintertime in LA , so the band is quieter where you are! J 73, Charlie,K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rune Øye Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:29 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015 HC1PF was literally 5NN around 10 min before my local SR this morning. Most of the time he is 559 to 579. Seems there is many EU stations on but many suffer the same as me :-) still not in log. I guess he has an RX issue noisy band none RX antenna etc. However we cant complain about his effort. 73 Rune LA7THA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015
Luis HC1PF is constructing and trying out various solutions to his RX noise, and is very much aware that he is TX much better than RX. He has a unique situation I can't get into, but he definitely has not given up on RX. He's a pretty good demonstration of an L over FCP for TX, if you needed one. :) 73, Guy. K2AV On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: Luis is ten km east of Quito, only one thousand feet (300 meters) south of the equator at an elevation of 7800 feet. In Quito they refer to their dry season (Jun-Sep) as summer and their wet season (Oct-May) as winter. Most days are in the upper 60s and most nights are in the upper 40s. Temperatures rarely exceeding 90 and are only very rarely below freezing. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Ross Primrose n...@n4rp.com To: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com, Rune Øye runee...@hotmail.com, topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:35:52 PM Subject: Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015 HC1PF is, according to QRZ, a whopping 10' (yeah, minutes, not degrees) south of the equator. Summer/winter is pretty much meaningless that close to the equator... 73, Ross N4RP On 2/17/2015 4:50 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Well, do keep in mind, Rune, that it's summertime in Ecuador, and he has summertime QRN, whereas it's wintertime in LA , so the band is quieter where you are! J 73, Charlie,K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rune Øye Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:29 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015 HC1PF was literally 5NN around 10 min before my local SR this morning. Most of the time he is 559 to 579. Seems there is many EU stations on but many suffer the same as me :-) still not in log. I guess he has an RX issue noisy band none RX antenna etc. However we cant complain about his effort. 73 Rune LA7THA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015
Well, do keep in mind, Rune, that it's summertime in Ecuador, and he has summertime QRN, whereas it's wintertime in LA , so the band is quieter where you are! J 73, Charlie,K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rune Øye Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:29 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: HC1PF on TB Tuesday 17th February 2015 HC1PF was literally 5NN around 10 min before my local SR this morning. Most of the time he is 559 to 579. Seems there is many EU stations on but many suffer the same as me :-) still not in log. I guess he has an RX issue noisy band none RX antenna etc. However we cant complain about his effort. 73 Rune LA7THA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: What ever happened to the 160 meter Z antenna?
A good analysis of all this can be found from IV3PRK as he planned his antenna for his new QTH in HC land. http://www.iv3prk.it/user/image/site2-inverted-l-vs-vertical-t.pdf 73...Stan, K5GO Sent from my iPad On Feb 16, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote: Tom, Thanks for the details on the Z for TB. On a related matter I have been looking for comparisons between a L and a T firmly believing that a T would be better as in 65' up and 135' horizontal fed in the exact center. However there are so many TB'ers using L rather than Ts which begs the questionwhy? You need two supports for the L but how much do you gain by converting this to a T with even a modest ground plain of 6-12 radials? Or is it just a matter of convenience and lot size? There is almost no difference between the T and L. It is mostly a matter of what someone can fit. When I lived on a city lot, I had restricted antenna room. I installed a G5RV between two tall pines. I dropped the feedline vertically to the ground. I fed the entire thing as T on 160, and I managed to work many JA's, VU, UA0's, VS6, and even a JT on 160. An L I tried was no different, but too many wires cluttered an area and makes an RF mess out of things. The G5RV gave me a good 160 antenna (fed as a T) and a pretty good 80-10 antenna, with just one wire and one feedline, using a tuner right where the feeder came to ground level. I installed a 100 ft vertical later, and it was no better than the G5RV T. As a matter of fact I just phased the 100ft tower against the G5RV to make a two element 160 vertical array with four patterns. Again my question: How much better is a T over an L on 160? No one would notice, it is not even worth one dB. We are actually lucky to notice 6 dB unless we A B test something. You would likely notice the out and up and out half wave, though. It is far more like a messed up dipole than a good vertical. The one I tried lost several dB on groundwave over a base loaded vertical. It kept getting better and better as I made it more and more like an inverted L. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
