Re: Topband: earth tester

2015-04-26 Thread Lennart m
Hi Rick et al,
Just reminds me of 3Y0X from Peter 1 Island in 2006.
They used a 3 el yagi laying on the ice and had a VFB sig on 160 ...but
calculations were made before they went to this distant QTH.
Nice memory!
73
SM7BIC Len

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Is there some way you could lay a half wave dipole on the ground and measure
the resonant frequency and radiation resistance vs the known free space
values, and convert this to ground conductance and permittivity?  Perhaps
model it in some version of NEC and play with the ground constants until the
modeling program agreed with the measured impedance and frequency?

Rick N6RK

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Re: Topband: earth tester

2015-04-26 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist

Is there some way you could lay a half wave
dipole on the ground and measure the resonant
frequency and radiation resistance vs the
known free space values, and convert this to
ground conductance and permittivity?  Perhaps
model it in some version of NEC and play with
the ground constants until the modeling program
agreed with the measured impedance and frequency?

Rick N6RK

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Re: Topband: earth tester

2015-04-26 Thread Henk PA5KT

Another website with a measurement tool:

http://www.technik.dhbw-ravensburg.de/~lau/gc.html

I did not yet try this or N6LF's system.

73 Henk PA5KT

Jorge Diez - CX6VM schreef op 4/22/2015 om 7:34 PM:

Thanks Jim

I will look at N6LF website, I want to measure my soil conditions

73,
Jorge


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Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de abril de 2015 01:48 p.m.
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Asunto: Re: Topband: earth tester

What do you want to measure?  These testers, as well as the fall of
potential method, measure the impedance to earth at dc and low audio
frequencies.

It's important to remember that a connection to earth is for lightning
protection, and does not make a TX antenna work better.

If you want to measure your soil conditions, N6LF shows a method on his
website. It uses a driven rod that passes through an opening in a wire
screen. Z between the rod and the screen is measured using a vector
impedance analyzer, first before the rod is driven, and again after being
driven to its full length, and soil parameters are computed from the two
measurements.  I've thought about doing this, but never got around to it.
This measurement yields the data on the soil conditions that affect the
performance of vertical antennas.

73, Jim K9YC



On Wed,4/22/2015 6:00 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:

Do you use a earth tester?  Which brand do you know is very good and
accurate to consider?

Jorge,

If you can, try and find a clamp-on earth tester rather than the
type that relies on the fall-of-potential method with electrodes.
There are several good clamp-on units by Megger, Fluke and AEMC. I
recently acquired an AEMC model 3711.  It wasn't supplied with a
calibration loop, but I found one from Fluke that quickly checks
calibration at 100, 50, 12.5, and 0.5 ohms. You'll want that
calibration loop to validate the accuracy of the clamp tester,
especially if you use an off-brand model from Asia.

N4CC and I recently installed a large grounding field, with some
ground rods driven down to a depth of 24 ft.  The clamp-on device was
useful for quick validation.  Had we used a unit with electrodes, it
would have taken us much longer to perform our tests.  By the way, in
sandy/clay type soil here in north FL, we found that connecting 8 ft.
rods end-to-end to form a 24 ft rod substantially lowered earth
resistance by a factor of 10x.

Paul, W9AC



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