Re: Topband: Any way to check isolation transformer for FCP
Guido, >>> It sounds strange, because to have 45,6 uH with 20 turns the Al should be 1140. Thanks a lot. Sure I was wrong with inductance. For 20 turns: T-300A-2 AL=228, L=9.12uH T-300-2 AL=114, L=4.56uH To get same inductance on T-300-2 need to have 28T. But coupling will between primary and secondary will be changed. How much it critical ? Regards, Andy - YL2QN _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: FCC regulations
It's apparent that some people have a very "creative" way of interpreting FCC regulations. If you want to operate YOUR station within the law, read and understand Part 97. Do NOT believe what anyone tells you. They are usually WRONG! 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: 160 meters late 1940's- early 1950's
Any old timers ever work W1MDG Earl E. Babbidge, Dark Harbor, Maine in the late 1940's, early 1950's on 160 meters. As a kid in school at the time, I did errands for W1KNJ in Belfast who was a semi-invalid, in return I received code practice. As i improved he put me at his key for the weekly schedule with W1MDG. Just wondering, 73 Bruce-K1FZ www.qsl.net/k1fz/beverage_antenna.html _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them. You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings. If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to person. Be diplomatic. Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that other listeners have noted the fact. If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or DX'ing forum such as this I find it is better to show them the way. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:54:50 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote: > I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works. When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it. 73, Jim K9YC _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Alaska on top band this morning
Guys, did anybody work Joe WL7E this morning? he said he worked all across the US. I was too engulfed with K5P on 80 meters, which BTW he peaked nicely at around 7:30 local time and he worked me and Gary,KA1J one right after another. Before that peak no luck. We lucked out and had a short pipeline out there at those few minutes around 7:30. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther. It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,... Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun, will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit. Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better results and more fun. Ham Exuberantly, Hank, W6SX On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass > them. > > You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad > feelings. > > If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to > person. Be diplomatic. > > Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are > doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also > mention that other listeners have noted the fact. > > If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a > contesting or DX'ing forum such as this > > I find it is better to show them the way. > > Mike N2MS > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more times you send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on top of someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about them! 73, Roger On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them. You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings. If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to person. Be diplomatic. Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that other listeners have noted the fact. If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or DX'ing forum such as this I find it is better to show them the way. Mike N2MS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
Reminds me of our 'catch and release' justice? system. Doug/VE5RA I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther. It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,... Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun, will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit. Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better results and more fun. Ham Exuberantly, Hank, W6SX On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass > them. > > You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad > feelings. > > If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to > person. Be diplomatic. > > Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are > doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also > mention that other listeners have noted the fact. > > If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a > contesting or DX'ing forum such as this > > I find it is better to show them the way. > > Mike N2MS > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling (I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc). As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out of the pile up 2 times. My best guess was that operators that have longer calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync (they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.). I would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts), I would implement this technique with great success. I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the results are normally very impressive. This technique is not often discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful (and often the most efficient method). Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year. 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The > more times you > send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. > > I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're > calling on top of > someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all > about them! > > 73, Roger > > > On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass >> them. >> >> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad >> feelings. >> >> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person >> to person. Be diplomatic. >> >> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are >> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also >> mention that other listeners have noted the fact. >> >> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a >> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this >> >> I find it is better to show them the way. >> >> Mike N2MS >> >> >> >> >> _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
Good point. I use that same technique when the callers get out of sync. What appears to be lids are actually folks who are out of sync. I gave the callsign twice on 160 phone from Clipperton to keep things under control. I will admit that I have used the continuous calling technique when the DX station was listening randomly without any pattern (i.e. crap shoot). Also I will call when I believe the DX has busted my call, which happens too often. Doug/VE5RA I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling (I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc). As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out of the pile up 2 times. My best guess was that operators that have longer calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync (they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.). I would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts), I would implement this technique with great success. I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the results are normally very impressive. This technique is not often discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful (and often the most efficient method). Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year. 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The > more times you > send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. > > I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're > calling on top of > someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all > about them! > > 73, Roger > > > On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass >> them. >> >> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad >> feelings. >> >> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person >> to person. Be diplomatic. >> >> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are >> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also >> mention that other listeners have noted the fact. >> >> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a >> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this >> >> I find it is better to show them the way. >> >> Mike N2MS >> >> >> >> >> _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
That's correct, and the ones who do it know it. It's a real nasty way to "tail end". "Tail ending" is nothing new and has been proven also as a tactic. Sometimes it works real good and it all depends on the Dx operator and his habits. Constant calling is a combination of tail ending and what ever other purpose it serves on getting "picked out". When a dx station is operating split, it means nothing, it's only when the operation is simplex. It seems that the "call area" system by the DX op's has gone by the wayside due to the call sign assignment, but one could still use /X if they want. That used to narrow down the pile up somewhat on a simplex operation. I suppose working split does away with the need for that. There has been numerous articles written on the subject of increasing your odds on working a rare DX station in pile ups. As long as a DX op is constant you can usually find an MO. The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The > more times you > send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. -Original Message- From: Don Kirk To: Roger D Johnson Cc: topband Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 11:39 am Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling (I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc). As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out of the pile up 2 times. My best guess was that operators that have longer calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync (they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.). I would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts), I would implement this technique with great success. I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the results are normally very impressive. This technique is not often discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful (and often the most efficient method). Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year. 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The > more times you > send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. > > I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're > calling on top of > someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all > about them! > > 73, Roger > > > On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass >> them. >> >> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad >> feelings. >> >> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person >> to person. Be diplomatic. >> >> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are >> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also >> mention that other listeners have noted the fact. >> >> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a >> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this >> >> I find it is better to show them the way. >> >> Mike N2MS >> >> >> >> >> _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Topband Digest: K5P good job!
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:38:05 -0500 From: Don Kirk To: Roger D Johnson Cc: topband Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the results are normally very impressive. This technique is not often discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful (and often the most efficient method). Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year. 73, Don (wd8dsb) ** Hurrah, Don, a constructive suggestion! And one that holds promise for far better results than any likely futile efforts to appeal to these miscreants' "better nature." And, as to those who have observed that the "carpet bombing" technique "works," I recall the old saying that anything can be made to work if you set your standards low enough. 73, Mark -- WA9ETW _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
The other (great) thing K5P was doing was sending the guys call, report, then repeating the call at the END of the report. This way - if the first part of his transmission is covered up, chances are you will hear your call at the end, and know who he came back to. Seemed to work well, and considering the alternative, it certainly kept the rate up :-) Tom - VE3CX On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Don Kirk wrote: > I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling > (I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but > thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some > light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete > solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes > deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc). > > As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest > cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out > of the pile up 2 times. My best guess was that operators that have longer > calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't > hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still > sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync > (they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick > out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to > start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.). I > would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the > problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts), > I would implement this technique with great success. > > I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls > two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the > results are normally very impressive. This technique is not often > discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might > think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful > (and often the most efficient method). > > Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year. > > 73, > Don (wd8dsb) > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson > wrote: > > > The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The > > more times you > > send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. > > > > I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're > > calling on top of > > someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all > > about them! > > > > 73, Roger > > > > > > On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > > > >> > >> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass > >> them. > >> > >> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad > >> feelings. > >> > >> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person > >> to person. Be diplomatic. > >> > >> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are > >> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also > >> mention that other listeners have noted the fact. > >> > >> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a > >> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this > >> > >> I find it is better to show them the way. > >> > >> Mike N2MS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 157, Issue 42
Joe I will run your checks today and call in AM. I see your number at end of message. Jim -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of topband-requ...@contesting.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:00 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband Digest, Vol 157, Issue 42 Send Topband mailing list submissions to topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: K5P good job ! (Jim Brown) 2. Re: K5P good job ! (Louis Parascondola) 3. Re: Neutralizing your 833As (Mike Waters) 4. Re: Any way to check isolation transformer for FCP (Andy - YL2QN) 5. Re: FCC regulations (Roger D Johnson) 6. 160 meters late 1940's- early 1950's ( K1FZ-Bruce ) 7. Re: K5P good job ! (mstang...@comcast.net) 8. Alaska on top band this morning (Louis Parascondola) 9. Re: K5P good job ! (Hank Garretson) 10. Re: K5P good job ! (Roger D Johnson) 11. Re: K5P good job ! (Doug Renwick) 12. Re: K5P good job ! (Don Kirk) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:28:44 -0800 From: Jim Brown To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! Message-ID: <569c4ddc.5080...@audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote: > The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you understand. Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. A bully is a bully. 73, Jim K9YC -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:16:54 -0500 From: Louis Parascondola To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com, topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! Message-ID: <15252bc3dda-1b73-13...@webprd-m51.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Of course depending on the band you may not hear him, but he's on every band from 160 to 6 meters. I'm not complaining and I didn't start the thread, I just said I knew someone that uses the ploy and it usually works as he generally gets in ahead of me who waits patiently. If I don't get in se LA vie. Lou W1QJ Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Jim Brown To: topband Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 09:29 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote: > The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you understand. Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. A bully is a bully. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband"; target="_blank">http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:50:08 -0600 From: Mike Waters To: Tree Cc: Dave Olean , topband Subject: Re: Topband: Neutralizing your 833As Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No problem, Tree. I fully agree, and your point is very well taken. Thanks. (And thanks to Dave and everyone else who offered advice!) I really don't have the time to start a thread on the amps reflector right now (but I'd like to soon). 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Tree wrote: > This sounds like a topic for the Amps reflector - thanks!! > > Tree N6TR > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Mike Waters wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> >> Thanks for the advice! What you describe below is an improved version >> of what I had planned to do. >> >> I'm likely over-thinking this. Much ado about nothing, as the old >> saying goes. I've been accused of doing that before on this amp >> project (and he was right. :-) Let me elaborate a little on what my concern is. >> >> I don't think I ever drew a schematic of the PA grid and plate >> circuits, but I'll try and describe the important details, leaving >> out things like the grid biasing arrangement, RF chokes, DC blocking >> capacitors, the >> TO-220 >> swamping resistor string, circuit protection, etc.). >> >> 1. There is no tuned grid circuit. (If there was, it would be simple >> to >> neutralize!) >> 2. There's a 200 ohm 100w non-inductive swamping resistor between the >> grid and ground. >> 3. From the grid to ground is the 200 ohm secondary of the input >> transformer. >> 4. The input is the 50 ohm primary of that transformer. >> >> Here's the idea I had in mind, good or bad: Add a tertiary (third) >> winding to that input matching transformer --grounded at one end-- to >> obtain the vol
Re: Topband: K5P good job !
hi roger, just what do you mean by "calling on top of someone else"? of course they are since a rare station creates so many callers that it is impossible to find a calling frequency that is clear. even if it seems clear doesn't mean that it actually is. there are probably tons of stations that you can't hear. for those who do not have the ability to "dual receive" do you expect them to check their TX frequency before transmitting? i would guess that you have never been on the DX end of the pile up. if you want a clear frequency then try this- if the DX announces he is listening between 14205 and 14210 then cluster spot him listening on 14209.5. 80% of the callers will move up which gives you the best chance when you call between 14205 and 14206. it's a PILE UP my friend, almost everything goes. also, would you please include your call sign to the comments that you make. i am replying to roger who? 73, larry n7dd The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more times you send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on top of someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about them! 73, Roger -Original Message- From: Roger D Johnson To: topband Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more times you send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on top of someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about them! 73, Roger On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: > > When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them. > > You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad > feelings. > > If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to > person. Be diplomatic. > > Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing > something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention > that other listeners have noted the fact. > > If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting > or DX'ing forum such as this > > I find it is better to show them the way. > > Mike N2MS > > > > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [Bulk] Re: K5P good job !
Great to hear the dialogue!! I have been chasing DX since the summer of 1959... Those who don't get through are never happy... It takes big antennas, maximum legal power, and some operating skill. It sort of like being in a combat theater. It only matters who is still standing the next day. The enemy does, nor never has, adhered to the accords of the Geneva convention... We all forget to go split sometimes. Naturally that provokes a barrage of "Foxtrot United's". I never take it personally.. 73 , John, W4NU K4JAG, 1959 to 1998 On 1/18/2016 1:40 PM, Larry via Topband wrote: hi roger, just what do you mean by "calling on top of someone else"? of course they are since a rare station creates so many callers that it is impossible to find a calling frequency that is clear. even if it seems clear doesn't mean that it actually is. there are probably tons of stations that you can't hear. for those who do not have the ability to "dual receive" do you expect them to check their TX frequency before transmitting? i would guess that you have never been on the DX end of the pile up. if you want a clear frequency then try this- if the DX announces he is listening between 14205 and 14210 then cluster spot him listening on 14209.5. 80% of the callers will move up which gives you the best chance when you call between 14205 and 14206. it's a PILE UP my friend, almost everything goes. also, would you please include your call sign to the comments that you make. i am replying to roger who? 73, larry n7dd The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more times you send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on top of someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about them! 73, Roger -Original Message- From: Roger D Johnson To: topband Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job ! The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more times you send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup. I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on top of someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about them! 73, Roger On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them. You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings. If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to person. Be diplomatic. Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that other listeners have noted the fact. If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or DX'ing forum such as this I find it is better to show them the way. Mike N2MS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: NCC-1 Phaser
After nearly two years of trying to get some measurable improvement with the MFJ-1026 noise cancelling box I finally gave up and sold them on E-Bay and purchased a DX-Engineering NCC-1. The frustration of the finicky controls on the MFJ was time consuming and I never was able to realize much benefit. I decide to buy the NCC-1 with the idea of phasing some Beverages for both noise reduction and possibly enhance signal performance. The ability to have 360 degree control and a smooth large knob made sense. My first test was on 160 meters with the K5P DX-Pedition on Palmyra where I have two Beverages 900' long bur running end to end and not staggered or spaced. Both have equal length feed-lines to the shack. They are reversible Beverages but both were tested in the West Direction which was spot on to K5P. Over several hours of listening and switching I was very impressed how K5P, although readable on a single antenna just amazingly rose from the noise level when I would adjust the NCC-1 phase controls. It was quick, smooth, and easy. It was repeatable for over several hours of listening and the phase Normal/Reverse switch would make the signal disappear when thrown. First one antenna alone and then the other antenna alone and then the two antennas through the NCC-1. I did not expect to work this way that well but it surpassed my expectation. Also with the tropical TS we often receive here in the Caribbean I could make adjustments to effective take the QRN static down to near nothing. Of course I got some reduction before in this with just the selection of the right Beverage but not dramatically as much. I now have added my entire bank of beverages to the other input even though some run N/S and other NE/SW. I will also try to see what I can get from two Beverages, One S/E and the other S to see if i can get any improvement on VP8STI if they fire up on 160 soon. Also for the first time I had excellent copy on K5P on 80 meters but they came on one hour after my S/R and i was not able to break the NA wall calling them. Nor did I have enough time on 80 to really test the phase on two really long Beverages. I was hoping that two Beverages, even though not space nor staggered, but end to end, would allow for more capture area and a better ability to null out noise from other directions. Hopefully they will come on 80 at the Sunset and stay on for a few hours at least to check the results. I would imagine also that the conventionally way the NCC-1 is depicted in the catalog with a "noise" antenna would be fine in some circumstances to null out other random noise sources but I did not try this yet. My only beef is that DXE offers free shipping for orders this size to the U.S. but that means only continental U.S. even for the same U.S.P.S. P.O. Box and Zip Code address which I have. Ironically most North American vendors take the same approach but items on Ebay from China, when they say "free shipping" mean it. I noticed that China Post has a contract with Fed-Ex to take all their small parcels here and it is super fast. But the additional shipping charges added for me are worth every penny. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: NCC-1 Phaser
Herb, This is very interesting to me. I hope this helps your noise. I have had 11 glorious year of owning a silent QTH. Now I have a neighbour who has an electric fence which bothers me terribly. Spikes are every second (or so) and on 160m they are 20/9 (and that's with the NB on ! ! ! ) dwindling to audible on 2m when the beam is aimed that way. I am not fishing for comments on how to fix the fence, nor deal with the neighbour; That ship has sailed. What I WOULD be interested in knowing from everyone is does the NCC-1 deal with electric fence (ie: pulsing) QRM? Thanks much and good luck Herb. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: NCC-1 Phaser
I got distracted and forgot to ask..if the offending QRN (electric fence in my case) is in the same direction of interest (Europe for me), does that mean all signals in that direction are nulled? (I would think not, but I have never used one, so pardon the question) Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From: Mike Smith VE9AA [mailto:ve...@nbnet.nb.ca] Sent: January 18, 2016 6:32 PM To: 'topband@contesting.com' Subject: re: Topband: NCC-1 Phaser Herb, This is very interesting to me. I hope this helps your noise. I have had 11 glorious year of owning a silent QTH. Now I have a neighbour who has an electric fence which bothers me terribly. Spikes are every second (or so) and on 160m they are 20/9 (and that's with the NB on ! ! ! ) dwindling to audible on 2m when the beam is aimed that way. I am not fishing for comments on how to fix the fence, nor deal with the neighbour; That ship has sailed. What I WOULD be interested in knowing from everyone is does the NCC-1 deal with electric fence (ie: pulsing) QRM? Thanks much and good luck Herb. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: NCC-1 Phaser
Probablybut that depends on where on the fence itself the actual voltage breakdown is taking place. The electric fence may propagate the noise like a long wire but you might get lucky with the NCC-1. I'm not sure but I believe the best to do in your circumstances is to use an antenna that picks up the noise the best, whatever that may be, to try to null against it. If the noise if from some distance away you probably won't have that much luck. In which case try to physically separate your EU RX antenna as far away from where you have located the noise and at a different angle toward Europe. Best to accurately pin point the exact noise source. I have even heard where one ham designed a series tuned trap and put it from the wire to ground and tuned for a null in the 160 meter band. I don't know about this but another choice is a remote controlled solar power relay for night time operation. (Probably not recommended in your part of the world.) Herb, KV4FZ On 1/18/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: I got distracted and forgot to ask..if the offending QRN (electric fence in my case) is in the same direction of interest (Europe for me), does that mean all signals in that direction are nulled? (I would think not, but I have never used one, so pardon the question) Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From: Mike Smith VE9AA [mailto:ve...@nbnet.nb.ca] Sent: January 18, 2016 6:32 PM To: 'topband@contesting.com' Subject: re: Topband: NCC-1 Phaser Herb, This is very interesting to me. I hope this helps your noise. I have had 11 glorious year of owning a silent QTH. Now I have a neighbour who has an electric fence which bothers me terribly. Spikes are every second (or so) and on 160m they are 20/9 (and that's with the NB on ! ! ! ) dwindling to audible on 2m when the beam is aimed that way. I am not fishing for comments on how to fix the fence, nor deal with the neighbour; That ship has sailed. What I WOULD be interested in knowing from everyone is does the NCC-1 deal with electric fence (ie: pulsing) QRM? Thanks much and good luck Herb. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
