Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

[k3ky]

That's a great suggestion, Paul. Very constructive. Assuming such a
transfer from the federal government could be implemented, funding
would be needed. So if the worst happens and these stations do
indeed end up on the chopping block it might be a lot less an uphill
battle to get hams and other incumbent users involved in a long term,
sustainable funding scheme. I would personally support such an
arrangement, within my limited means. It might take a lot of
supporters to pull it off, but somehow I doubt that number would come
*anywhere* near 100,000 individuals.

Despite aspersions to the contrary, I *do* 'get it', and would sorely
miss all those NIST services here. I guess some in our group fancy
themselves mind readers? (grin)

73, David K3KY



>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure
> From: "Paul Christensen" 
> Date: Thu, August 23, 2018 12:02 pm
> To: 
> 
> 
> >"The cost savings they are talking about amounts to very little.  It  would 
> >cost a helluva lot more to  dismantle them completely.  Besides  TIME and 
> >freq standards,  WWV  provides  for a myriad of other  features."
> 
> Seems like a great opportunity to spin-off WWV/WWVB to one of Colorado's 
> state universities; WWVH to a Hawaii university.  Let a university run it as 
> a STEM project under the auspices of their dept. of physics or engineering.  
> Assign an advisor to help lead the students into worthwhile projects and 
> responsibilities.  Here's an opportunity for academic professors to lead by 
> example, not just teach.   It's not like it takes expensive, and largely 
> unmotivated federal workers with their long-term FERS/CSRS expenses to keep 
> the stations running.  Moreover, it should be easier for a school to secure 
> private, external corporate funding and grants as needed, rather than through 
> a U.S. federal agency.  In time, upgrade/expand the existing buildings for 
> other university STEM projects.  Let the universities work with high schools 
> - and get high school students motivated to pursue STEM degrees.  Give them 
> operating shifts, special construction projects, write code for remote 
> station monitoring, etc.  
> 
> My university had two student-run radio stations, run under the direction of 
> an academic advisor.  Never in my life have I met a more motivated group of 
> people who worked for free.  We couldn’t get enough if it.  The experience we 
> received was priceless. 
> 
> Paul, W9AC 
> 
> 
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Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

[Dale Putnam]

Seems to me that if they get to cut one program.. they will go after the next 
one with speed and alaricity.

Nothing slows a money hungry bureaucrate, when on the trail of free money.

and closing something they don't know about.. is free money to spend on a pet 
project they do know about.


Have a great day,
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy

"Actions speak louder than words"
1856 - Abraham Lincoln



From: Topband  on behalf of Don Kirk 

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:10 AM
To: HP
Cc: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

Hi Hank,

The 60 kHz transmissions are done by WWVB.  No mention of WWVB being
impacted by the new budget proposal.

Just FYI, and 73.

Don (wd8dsb)


On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:02 AM, HP  wrote:

> Seems to me the people who should be screaming bloody murder are all the
> millions with watches and clocks
> that correct using the 60 kHz transmissions . Most of those millions
> probably know absolutely nothing about this .
> How do you reach them ?
>
> Hank K7HP
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Topband: Inverted L antenna with mfj 926 antenna tuner at base of antenna

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Topband: XT2BR

[Doug Turnbull]

Keep an ear out for XT2BR aka F8FUA / EI2KM.Alain is a single man
expedition till about Wednesday running a barefoot K3 and I think he has
some type of vertical on TB.He has both CW and FT8 for this band.  No
doubt most of his effort will be on higher bands but Alain might make an
appearance.As his license is good for a year it is possible that he will
return again later in the year.

  73 Doug EI2CN

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Today's Topics:

   1. IV3PRK AND ALL Those Links ! (Dick Bingham)
   2. Re: R: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98 (Wes Stewart)
   3. Re: R: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98 (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
   4. Re: OT - US Hams, WWV closure (donov...@starpower.net)
   5. Re: OT - US Hams, WWV closure (Rob Atkinson)
   6. Re: OT - US Hams, WWV closure (K9FD)
   7. 160 inverted L with antenna tuner outside (james soto)
   8. Re: R: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98 (Wes Stewart)
   9. Re: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98 (Dick Grolleman)
  10. Re: OT - US Hams, WWV closure (Dan Edward Dba East edwards)
  11. Was IV3PRK (W0MU Mike Fatchett)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:46:45 -0700
From: Dick Bingham 
To: Topband 
Subject: Topband: IV3PRK AND ALL Those Links !
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I had no idea those LINKS were included in my email posting
about copying IV3PRK using FT8 on 160 last night. My apology
to all.

I ran WSPR thru the night and discovered DP0GVN copied
W7WKR and W8AC way down in Antarctic-land.

Appears conditions were pretty good on 160 last night.

73 Dick/w7wkr at CN98pi


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:19:24 -0700
From: Wes Stewart 
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: R: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98
Message-ID: <24211f7e-f138-d1e5-2b56-4f2abd415...@triconet.org>
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Not quite true.? I was a very early users of FT8, my first experience with
any 
of the JT modes. Someone said that JTAlert was a must have so I installed
it, 
not really knowing why.

I was attempting a QSO with a west African station and could tell that I was

being QRMed after the first exchange and while I was sending reports.? I
figured 
to just keep sending and wait it out. I use two computer monitors and it
turned 
out that when JTAlert popped up once, it was split over the two screens, so
the 
message didn't register with me.? The second time it appeared, I got enough
to 
know that he was sending me a text message indicating that he had my report
and 
just needed my RRR.? I did not send him anything further and uninstalled the

program.

Wes? N7WS


On 8/22/2018 8:23 AM, Pierluigi Mansutti wrote:
> Yes, it is for REAL! nothing remote on this side.
> I really enjoy FT8 because all QSO's are real.If your antennas and your
radio hears the DX then the computer decodes it. No way to call a spot or to
make an internet QSO through a chat line.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:52:41 -0600
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett 
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: R: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98
Message-ID: <10b7bb68-53f6-23ce-b035-6610a9408...@w0mu.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Do you turn off your phone, email and every other communication method 
when playing radio?? JTAlert texting is just one of many ways people can 
contact you.? He didn't need your RRR either.? RR or rr73 or 73 does not 
make a contact.? The exchange of some data is all that is needed.? DXCC 
does not require that you confirm reports.? You could have just ignored 
the message and continued on.

To each their own but I sure see more people trying not to play radio 
these days.

W0MU


On 8/22/2018 2:19 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Not quite true.? I was a very early users of FT8, my first experience 
> with any of the JT modes. Someone said that JTAlert was a must have so 
> I installed it, not really knowing why.
>
> I was attempting a QSO with a west African station and could tell that 
> I was being QRMed after the first exchange and while I was sending 
> reports.? I figured to just keep sending and wait it out. I use two 
> computer monitors and it turned out that

Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

[Paul Christensen]

>"The cost savings they are talking about amounts to very little.  It  would 
>cost a helluva lot more to  dismantle them completely.  Besides  TIME and freq 
>standards,  WWV  provides  for a myriad of other  features."

Seems like a great opportunity to spin-off WWV/WWVB to one of Colorado's state 
universities; WWVH to a Hawaii university.  Let a university run it as a STEM 
project under the auspices of their dept. of physics or engineering.  Assign an 
advisor to help lead the students into worthwhile projects and 
responsibilities.  Here's an opportunity for academic professors to lead by 
example, not just teach.   It's not like it takes expensive, and largely 
unmotivated federal workers with their long-term FERS/CSRS expenses to keep the 
stations running.  Moreover, it should be easier for a school to secure 
private, external corporate funding and grants as needed, rather than through a 
U.S. federal agency.  In time, upgrade/expand the existing buildings for other 
university STEM projects.  Let the universities work with high schools - and 
get high school students motivated to pursue STEM degrees.  Give them operating 
shifts, special construction projects, write code for remote station 
monitoring, etc.  

My university had two student-run radio stations, run under the direction of an 
academic advisor.  Never in my life have I met a more motivated group of people 
who worked for free.  We couldn’t get enough if it.  The experience we received 
was priceless. 

Paul, W9AC 



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Topband: Was IV3PRK

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

I don't use my phone to make contacts.  I use CW, RTTY, FT8, SSB in no 
particular order.


It is up to each of us to determine what we should log and what we 
should not.


I am sure that we all have received emails from people asking if we had 
a contact.  I see no difference.


Worked TX5T the other morning on Topband, already confirmed LOTW!  Thanks.

W0MU


On 8/22/2018 10:24 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
My aren't we testy.  We each operate with our own ethics. You want to 
work DXCC on your phone it's your business.  I'll stick to mine.


N7WS

On 8/22/2018 1:52 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Do you turn off your phone, email and every other communication 
method when playing radio?  JTAlert texting is just one of many ways 
people can contact you.  He didn't need your RRR either.  RR or rr73 
or 73 does not make a contact.  The exchange of some data is all that 
is needed.  DXCC does not require that you confirm reports.  You 
could have just ignored the message and continued on.


To each their own but I sure see more people trying not to play radio 
these days.


W0MU


On 8/22/2018 2:19 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
Not quite true.  I was a very early users of FT8, my first 
experience with any of the JT modes. Someone said that JTAlert was a 
must have so I installed it, not really knowing why.


I was attempting a QSO with a west African station and could tell 
that I was being QRMed after the first exchange and while I was 
sending reports.  I figured to just keep sending and wait it out. I 
use two computer monitors and it turned out that when JTAlert popped 
up once, it was split over the two screens, so the message didn't 
register with me.  The second time it appeared, I got enough to know 
that he was sending me a text message indicating that he had my 
report and just needed my RRR.  I did not send him anything further 
and uninstalled the program.


Wes  N7WS


On 8/22/2018 8:23 AM, Pierluigi Mansutti wrote:

Yes, it is for REAL! nothing remote on this side.
I really enjoy FT8 because all QSO's are real.If your antennas and 
your radio hears the DX then the computer decodes it. No way to 
call a spot or to make an internet QSO through a chat line.


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Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

[Dan Edward Dba East edwards]

JM2C...
I find WWV on 2.5 Mhz quite useful to verity the directivity of top band 
receiving antennas;  VERY hand for quick troubleshooting...
also, great fun seeing Luis, IV3PRK, QRV again, on FT 8..
73 all, W5XZ, dan

 

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 10:55 AM, Jim Thomson  
wrote:
 

 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 03:17:57 +
From: Charles Moizeau 
To: "k...@radioprism.com" , Topband

Subject: Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

##  David  does not ..get it.  WWV et all is  both  a  Time  AND  Freq  
station.    I use the 20 mhz WWV  to align the TCXOs in  all 4 of my yaesu  
xcvrs.
I would be dead in the water without them.  BTW, if you do use  WWV  to align 
the TCXO in your  xcvr, any brand,  use the highest freq  WWV that you can RX. 
I have used the 20 mhz  WWV during the daytime even though it was weak, and had 
to use a 250 hz  cw  filter, the  job can still be done correctly.    If 
instead you use
say the  2.5 mhz  WWV.. vs the  20 mhz wwv,  your  error  will be off by  8 X.  
IE:  1 hz off at  2.5 mhz  = 8 hz off at 20 mhz.    I can typ align the  TCXO 
at 20 mhz wwv,
within a fraction of one hz.    I pre-program all the  wwv freqs in the memory, 
cw mode,  narrow filter etc, and leave the covers off.    The  xcvr has to be 
turned on for several hours
before you can attempt to do the alignment. 

##  ANYBODY can sign the petition..from any country .  I just signed it  
minutes ago.  Who cares if they have your  email address ?  The cost savings 
they are talking about amounts to very little. 
It  would cost a helluva lot more to  dismantle them completely.  Besides  TIME 
and freq standards,  WWV  provides  for a myriad of other  features.

Jim  VE7RF    




David,


Like you I support the petition.  However, I will lend my name to it because I 
don't want to selfishly chicken out for all the valid reasons you note.


Heck, it was only last week that Medicare, after many years, sent me a new 
card, proudly announcing how pleased they now are with the fact that cards do 
not need to show a social security number.  Gosh, it took what, 50 years, for 
that revelation to occur to them!


Yet, I'm still asked several times a month for my SSN, and stopped in my tracks 
if I don't give it.


I agree with you in that I can't understand the prevailing rush to abandon 
one's privacy.  It amazes me that almost 30 percent of this planet's population 
actively uses Facebook.

I haven't the slightest intention of ever joining the braggarts, liars and 
narcissists in the playpens where they almost daily feed, feast and upchuck .


However, my life has been worthily enriched by Google Earth, Google Translate, 
and yes, out of laziness, or as you might put it, carelessness, Google Search.  
I buy stuff from Amazon and use EZ-Pass on my car.  I know I'm walking naked, 
but so is everyone else (and don't be so sure that you aren't as well).


Take comfort, David, in the fact that naked or perhaps a bit less so, we're 
both smarter than most of the dolts and dopes out there who collect all our 
stuff.


73,


Charles, W2SH.


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Re: Topband: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98

[Dick Grolleman]

Don't know what you want with all these links, they all look the same to me and 
it does not tell me anything.. But yes it is IV3PRK, and he is not using 
remote. Luis is very active again specially on FT8.

73 de Dick PA3FQA

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Topband  Namens Dick Bingham
Verzonden: woensdag 22 augustus 2018 07:01
Aan: Topband 
Onderwerp: Topband: Copying IV3PRK in WA-State CN98

Is this for real or is he using a remote?

Copying *IV3PRK* ===>

Txmtr 

 Band 

 Mode 

 Distance 

 Time (UTC) 

AF4CD 

 160m FT8 2360 miles
04:46:14
K0IEA 

 160m FT8 1324 miles
04:42:14
N9JF 

 160m FT8 1568 miles
04:41:14
W7RH 

 160m FT8 957 miles 04:41:14 N1KI 

 160m FT8 2034 miles
04:38:29
W5XZ 

 160m FT8 1728 miles
04:37:59
W7VHM 

 160m FT8 265 miles
04:32:14
N4WLO 

 160m FT8 2094 miles
04:29:14
AF4AI 

 160m FT8 1787 miles
04:27:14
W0ERB