Re: Topband: Spitfire question

2013-11-12 Thread df9ox
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Depends all on conditions, incoming angles.


I would like to see there is a point which gives you an idea for improving 
something.
 

vy 73 de  André  DF9OX







 
 Hello André, I really appreciate you took the time for sharing your
 experience.
 
 I used for tuning the last procedure indicated by the authors, which
 was to use a 
 reference signal from the back (700 mts in my case) vertical
 polarized and adjust 
 both reflector and director back and forth for maximum f/b (using
 variable 
 capacitors inserted at the corners) which should give you also max
 gain across 
 the range.
 
 Well... f/b was good, more than 20db across 25Kc but I only got
 1db gain 
 maximum.
 
 I understand you did it using a practical way but, I still don´t
 understand how you 
 did it, because changing dimensions every day and waiting for
 results could give 
 millions o possible changes and difficult to decide which direction
 to follow.add 
 or cut the reflector? add or cut the director at the same time .
 
 Could you please be more specific ? or as specific as you can so I
 can repeat 
 your procedure?
 
 1 - Did you just adjust both elements in one direction for max f/b ?
 or gain ?
 
 2 - Did you start with the dimensions given by the authors and then
 change it a 
 little bit at a time ? both of them or just one of them and then the
 other? in which 
 direction adding or shortening
 
 3 - Do you have notes about how much your element length differ from
 the 
 original design? could you share those numbers?
 
 4 - Did you measure element resonance after you antenna was working?
 how 
 did you measure? (in order to repeat it in here)
 
 5 - Finally, how do you achieve omnidirectional radiation? did you
 just open at 
 the corners or ground each element?
 
 6 - If you ground it, how do you do that? a ground pipe o connect it
 to the vertical 
 radial system?
 
 In my case I am using almost 120 radials 1/4 wave long for the 1/4
 wave vertical.
 
 I definetly need a help to make it work. I am only interested in
 gain because I 
 have other receiving antennas.
 
 Many thanks in advance for your time, 
 
 Eddie, LU2DKT
 
 
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Topband Reflector


Re: Topband: Spitfire question

2013-11-10 Thread df9ox
Hola Eddie and all,

I am using the spitfire array now since 10 years on 80m, with a single center 
tower and
4 directional wires, switched as director/reflector.
The array is ok, giving some dB gain, f/s and f/b mostly nice.
It´s performance is a bit (vy little) below a 4square, but I like its wire 
performance.

My friend Peter DF3KV gave my online description b4:

http://www.df9ox.com/e_afu80mtxant_spitfire.html

I will update my spitfire experiences this winter on my site, but will write 
some parts below.

Well, answering questions for tuning it, I am in practice totally confirming 
N6TR!
You need a source for exact tuning, some lambda distances apart.
Designers method and suggestions did not work.
With that I had been with some effects somewhere around 3650 kHz, but not at 
that aimed 
3510 kHz.
At that time I had no signal source for mobile action, so I tried it the very 
long way.
Changing length and checking in the evening the f/b and gain results on the 
band.
There are a lot signals on 80 in EU and outside EU, so it was possible, but 
maybe not the 
optimum.
It takes me a month, if I remember correct, and the result was greatly working 
last years.

There are some lengths you can play with, and on 80m it is amazing that 10cm 
changes a 
lot!

The spitfire is worth to play with, my 2cent, but you need to know, with what 
you are playing.
There is no free lunch. Some less vertical metal in the air gives you the 
additional work of not 
easy tuning that array. And, like ON4UN wrote, radials are vy important.

Some experiences, not yet described on my site:

- wire should be one which will not lengthen but strong enough for a stom. 
After many years 
my 4 long wires are broken in a storm 3 weeks ago. ( So I need that tuning 
procedure again,  
cause I will use not exact the same but stronger wires now)
- use a roll with a control-line at the highest point of the tower. Better for 
changing high/length 
of that long wire.


My english is not the best, I hope everybody understand what I tried to say.
My CW is mostly better :-)


Vy 73 de  André  DF9OX















 Hello Dear Topbanders,
   I had the chance to test
 the Spitfire antenna during the CQWWSSB. 
 
 I installed it to cover initially one direction.
 I had no problem to tune the elements to 1840 using a source signal
 from the back. Reflector ended at 1855 and 
 director 2050, both tuned to max attenuation to the back as
 suggested by designers.
 At first I was delighted because I got  f/b at ground level of more
 than 20db across 25 Kc but surprise came when I
 could not notice any improvement in the front gain switching on/off
 the elements to medium distances (Brazil) or long 
 distance like Europe where it was pointed to (and same line of
 Brazil).
 I measured FS at 300 mts at ground level and I only detect 1db
 maximun change
 Reading ON4UN book, It looks like because of its configuration, the
 main lobe is shifted upward a bit, so I could
 think that because of that I measured very little at ground level
 but not noticing any detectable change at
 Brazil (3000Km) nor Europe (1Km) it really makes me wonder if
 it is working at all.
 Before changing the project to other direction, I would like to hear
 your opinion and or suggestions.
 Many thanks in advance Eddie, LU2DKT
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 Topband Reflector


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