Re: Topband: 160m CONDX Friday September 22nd

[Steve Babcock]

Great stuff Bob,

This morning I “heard” your QSO with Kevin, except VK6LW was a solid 579, and 
yet your signal was zero copy. Nothing. Not even a trace on my waterfall from 
your 5w.
Pretty cool.  That’s 3,000 km per watt.  Pretty strong DX for both you and 
Kevin.

Steve, ve6wz

> On Sep 22, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Bob Kile  wrote:
> 
> Topband never ceases to amaze me. This morning coffee group and Aussie oil 
> burners I worked Kev VK6LW first with 700W. I followed a bit later with AMP 
> drive power of 25W. Sitting in wonder I again called and got 449 running 5W 
> for 15, 553km path. Timing is a virtue. Of note pointed out by Tree 10m and 
> 160m both open at the same time!
> 
> Bob W7RH
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Peter Bertini]

Regarding 10 kHz harmonics from BCB stations... last year I was using my
HQ-140 receiver for casual SW and ham monitoring at my computer desk.  With
a full size 160 meter the Hammarlund overloaded to the point where I was
hearing an IMD beatnote at every 10 kHz spot on the band. Fortunately, I
have yet to hear any harmonics from the local stations.

I resorted to using a MFJ preselector to clean it up.  Now I am using my
JRC-515 and that problem is gone, but I miss the warm tubes.

Pete  k1zjh
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Petr Ourednik]

Hi,

the article about fishnet is here (including the beacon/drift nets):

https://160mband.blogspot.com/2015/07/drift-nets-fishing-beacons.html
https://160mband.blogspot.com/2015/07/160m-band-beacons-list.html

Hope it helps,

73 - Petr, OK1RP


On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Paul Mclaren wrote:
> I hadn't seen it mentioned but here in NW EU the continuous dashes from
> Fish Net beacons can be a pain at times.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul MM0ZBH
> 
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 08:55, Petr Ourednik  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > an old article here:
> >
> >
> > https://160mband.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-forbidden-dx-frequencies-table-on.html
> >
> > 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote:
> > > Thanks,
> > > How about JA?
> > > 1810-1824.9
> > > Where is better not CQ?
> > > Sam LY5W
> > > Just back home from W6
> > >
> > > 2018-11-12, pr 20:27 Mike Waters  > >
> > > > Perfect! Thanks for sharing.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Mike
> > > > www.w0btu.com
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> > > > > http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact
> > frequency.
> > > > > Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly?
> > Call
> > > > CQ
> > > > > on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> > > > > Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but
> > this
> > > > > accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a
> > harmonic
> > > > QRG.
> > > > > Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a
> > nice
> > > > > frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > skimmers and spotters out there.
> > > > >
> > > > > de steve ve6wz.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the
> > coming
> > > > > contests
> > > > >
> > > > > 73's Filipe
> > > > > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> > > > >
> > > > > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters  > >
> > > > > escreveu:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that:
> > 1810,
> > > > > 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those
> > freqs.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73, Mike
> > > > > www.w0btu.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> > > > > topband@contesting.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on
> > 1830.0
> > > > > from Alim.
> > > > > 73 JEFF
> > > > > _
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Carl Jonsson]

In Scandinavia freq´s above 1824 are the best. No fishnet beacons there.
Carl

Den ons 14 nov. 2018 kl 10:54 skrev Paul Mclaren :

> I hadn't seen it mentioned but here in NW EU the continuous dashes from
> Fish Net beacons can be a pain at times.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul MM0ZBH
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 08:55, Petr Ourednik  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > an old article here:
> >
> >
> >
> https://160mband.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-forbidden-dx-frequencies-table-on.html
> >
> > 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote:
> > > Thanks,
> > > How about JA?
> > > 1810-1824.9
> > > Where is better not CQ?
> > > Sam LY5W
> > > Just back home from W6
> > >
> > > 2018-11-12, pr 20:27 Mike Waters  > >
> > > > Perfect! Thanks for sharing.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Mike
> > > > www.w0btu.com
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> > > > > http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact
> > frequency.
> > > > > Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly?
> > Call
> > > > CQ
> > > > > on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> > > > > Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but
> > this
> > > > > accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a
> > harmonic
> > > > QRG.
> > > > > Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a
> > nice
> > > > > frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > skimmers and spotters out there.
> > > > >
> > > > > de steve ve6wz.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the
> > coming
> > > > > contests
> > > > >
> > > > > 73's Filipe
> > > > > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> > > > >
> > > > > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters <
> mikew...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > escreveu:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that:
> > 1810,
> > > > > 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those
> > freqs.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73, Mike
> > > > > www.w0btu.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> > > > > topband@contesting.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on
> > 1830.0
> > > > > from Alim.
> > > > > 73 JEFF
> > > > > _
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> > > > > Reflector
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> >
> >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Paul Mclaren]

I hadn't seen it mentioned but here in NW EU the continuous dashes from
Fish Net beacons can be a pain at times.

Regards

Paul MM0ZBH

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 08:55, Petr Ourednik  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> an old article here:
>
>
> https://160mband.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-forbidden-dx-frequencies-table-on.html
>
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote:
> > Thanks,
> > How about JA?
> > 1810-1824.9
> > Where is better not CQ?
> > Sam LY5W
> > Just back home from W6
> >
> > 2018-11-12, pr 20:27 Mike Waters  >
> > > Perfect! Thanks for sharing.
> > >
> > > 73, Mike
> > > www.w0btu.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> > > > http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
> > > >
> > > > However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact
> frequency.
> > > > Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly?
> Call
> > > CQ
> > > > on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> > > > Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but
> this
> > > > accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a
> harmonic
> > > QRG.
> > > > Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a
> nice
> > > > frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with
> all
> > > the
> > > > skimmers and spotters out there.
> > > >
> > > > de steve ve6wz.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the
> coming
> > > > contests
> > > >
> > > > 73's Filipe
> > > > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> > > >
> > > > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters  >
> > > > escreveu:
> > > >
> > > > I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that:
> 1810,
> > > > 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those
> freqs.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Mike
> > > > www.w0btu.com
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> > > > topband@contesting.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on
> 1830.0
> > > > from Alim.
> > > > 73 JEFF
> > > > _
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> > > > Reflector
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Petr Ourednik]

Hi,

an old article here:

https://160mband.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-forbidden-dx-frequencies-table-on.html

73 - Petr, OK1RP

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote:
> Thanks,
> How about JA?
> 1810-1824.9
> Where is better not CQ?
> Sam LY5W
> Just back home from W6
> 
> 2018-11-12, pr 20:27 Mike Waters  
> > Perfect! Thanks for sharing.
> >
> > 73, Mike
> > www.w0btu.com
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
> >
> > > Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> > > http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
> > >
> > > However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
> > > Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call
> > CQ
> > > on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> > > Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but this
> > > accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic
> > QRG.
> > > Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a nice
> > > frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with all
> > the
> > > skimmers and spotters out there.
> > >
> > > de steve ve6wz.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> > > contests
> > >
> > > 73's Filipe
> > > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> > >
> > > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> > >
> > > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
> > > 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
> > >
> > > 73, Mike
> > > www.w0btu.com
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> > > topband@contesting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> > > from Alim.
> > > 73 JEFF
> > > _
> > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> > > Reflector
> > >
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> > >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Saulius Zalnerauskas]

Thanks,
How about JA?
1810-1824.9
Where is better not CQ?
Sam LY5W
Just back home from W6

2018-11-12, pr 20:27 Mike Waters  Perfect! Thanks for sharing.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:
>
> > Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> > http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
> >
> > However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
> > Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call
> CQ
> > on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> > Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but this
> > accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic
> QRG.
> > Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a nice
> > frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with all
> the
> > skimmers and spotters out there.
> >
> > de steve ve6wz.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> > contests
> >
> > 73's Filipe
> > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> >
> > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> >
> > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> > escreveu:
> >
> > I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
> > 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
> >
> > 73, Mike
> > www.w0btu.com
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> > topband@contesting.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> > from Alim.
> > 73 JEFF
> > _
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> > Reflector
> >
> > _
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> > Reflector
> >
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> >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Rob Atkinson]

>Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call CQ on
>1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.

This only started with plastic radios and digital displays and got
worse with dial resolution down to one cycle.  Back when everyone had
VFOs like the HA-5 with dial markers only every 50 kc no one ever
thought about it.  All that mattered was being inside the band and
zero beat to the fellow being worked.  Now for some reason hams act
like the bands are channelized every 5 kc.

Rob
K5UJ
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Lee STRAHAN]

Just as a reminder to all that these BCI problems can also occur at 2nd and 3rd 
order IMD mixing.
Example 3rd order,  one station on 1220 where 2X equals 2440 and a second 
station at 620 subtracted puts a 3rd order product right on 1820 .
Another example 3rd order, is 2 stations at 600 where 2X equals 1200 added to a 
second station at 610 for a 3rd order product at 1810.
Second order is 1190 +620 is  1810 KHz   or 860 + 970 KHz is 1830 KHz
 These type of IMD products can be as a result from any amplifiers inline with 
the antenna and radio or even the radio itself mixing in nonlinear devices like 
BJT or FET transistors, even passive devices like transformers and crystal 
filters.
   This is directly related to the 3rd and 2nd order IMD specs on any 
particular piece of equipment.
  Sometimes these spurs are not just BC station harmonics.
Lee  K7TJR  OR

-Original Message-
From: Topband  On Behalf Of Lee. KX4TT via 
Topband
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 10:58 AM
To: 'Mike Waters' ; ve...@shaw.ca
Cc: 'topband' ; 'Filipe Lopes' 
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m Condx

Concur . if a frequency either ends with a zero, or if you add the digits 
up and get a number divisible by 9, it will likely have a greater change for BC 
interference. 

Example in Tampa (Florida, US) is 1860, which is the 3rd harmonic for WDAE 620, 
which is a 50kW stn.  An example for our UK friends is 1818, which is the 2nd 
harmonic for 909khz (BBC Radio 5)

Great discussion!

73 de Lee KX4TT



-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Waters
Sent: Monday, 12 November, 2018 13:27
To: ve...@shaw.ca
Cc: topband ; Filipe Lopes 
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m Condx

Perfect! Thanks for sharing.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:

> Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
>
> However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
> Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? 
> Call CQ on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but 
> this accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic 
> QRG.
> Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a 
> nice frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine 
> with all the skimmers and spotters out there.
>
> de steve ve6wz.
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the 
> coming contests
>
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
>
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
>
> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810, 
> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband < 
> topband@contesting.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0 
> from Alim.
> 73 JEFF
> _
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> Reflector
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Stein-Roar Brobakken]

Hello

Check my website, i got this from a guy few years ago!!

http://www.lb3re.com/ham-tech/160m_good_QRGs.JPG








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> 12. nov. 2018 kl. 17:31 skrev Filipe Lopes :
> 
> Hi
> 
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> contests
> 
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> 
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> 
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
> 
>> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
>> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>> 
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
>> topband@contesting.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
>>> from Alim.
>>> 73 JEFF
>>> _
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>>> Reflector
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Lee. KX4TT via Topband]

Concur . if a frequency either ends with a zero, or if you add the digits 
up and get a number divisible by 9, it will likely have a greater change for BC 
interference. 

Example in Tampa (Florida, US) is 1860, which is the 3rd harmonic for WDAE 620, 
which is a 50kW stn.  An example for our UK friends is 1818, which is the 2nd 
harmonic for 909khz (BBC Radio 5)

Great discussion!

73 de Lee KX4TT



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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Waters
Sent: Monday, 12 November, 2018 13:27 
To: ve...@shaw.ca
Cc: topband ; Filipe Lopes 
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m Condx

Perfect! Thanks for sharing.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:

> Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
>
> However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
> Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? 
> Call CQ on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but 
> this accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic 
> QRG.
> Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a 
> nice frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine 
> with all the skimmers and spotters out there.
>
> de steve ve6wz.
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the 
> coming contests
>
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
>
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
>
> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810, 
> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband < 
> topband@contesting.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0 
> from Alim.
> 73 JEFF
> _
> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband 
> Reflector
>
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> Reflector
>
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Mario Raul Andraca Rivera]

Also on SA,frequency 1810/20/30/40/50/60/70/80/90/00 and more,have QRM AM 
broadcasting.
73
Mario
LU8DPM

Enviado desde mi Movistar HUAWEI ALE-L23


 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Re: Topband: 160m Condx
De: VE6WZ_Steve
Para: Filipe Lopes
CC: Mike Waters ,topband


Know bad frequencies- great resource here: 
http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf

However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call CQ on 
1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but this 
accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic QRG.
Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too. We don't need a nice 
frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with all the 
skimmers and spotters out there.

de steve ve6wz.


> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> contests
>
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
>
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters
> escreveu:
>
>> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
>> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>>
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
>> topband@contesting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
>>> from Alim.
>>> 73 JEFF
>>> _
>>> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>>> Reflector
>>>
>> _
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>>
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Mike Waters]

Perfect! Thanks for sharing.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM VE6WZ_Steve  wrote:

> Know bad frequencies- great resource here:
> http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf
>
> However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
> Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call CQ
> on 1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
> Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but this
> accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic QRG.
> Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a nice
> frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with all the
> skimmers and spotters out there.
>
> de steve ve6wz.
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> contests
>
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
>
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
>
> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> topband@contesting.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> from Alim.
> 73 JEFF
> _
> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> Reflector
>
> _
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> Reflector
>
> _
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>
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[VE6WZ_Steve]

Know bad frequencies- great resource here: 
http://www.k8nd.com/TopbandBadFreqs.pdf 


However…a “best practice” on 160m is NEVER call CQ on an exact frequency.
Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call CQ on 
1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8.
Perhaps its human nature to want to use a nice “round” number, but this 
accomplishs nothing except increase the chances of being on a harmonic QRG.
Its surprising how many DX-peds will do this too.  We don't need a nice 
frequency with no decimal points! You will be found just fine with all the 
skimmers and spotters out there.

de steve ve6wz.

 
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Filipe Lopes  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> contests
> 
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> 
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> 
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
> 
>> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
>> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>> 
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
>> topband@contesting.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
>>> from Alim.
>>> 73 JEFF
>>> _
>>> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>>> Reflector
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Richard (Rick) Karlquist]

A related issue is that frequencies ending in 0 and 5 tend
to attract casual operators who can't hear DX.  Many times
I have heard them start up and call CQ on top of DX.  I
like to choose a frequency ending in 2.5 to avoid the
casual ops.  On the high end of 40, this neatly avoids
BCB stations, and any decent rig can notch out the 2.5
kHz heterodyne.

Rick N6RK

On 11/12/2018 10:04 AM, Filipe Lopes wrote:

Thanks to everyone who answered, basically I will be avoiding all /10 and
/9 frequencies.

73's Filipe Lopes
CT1ILT - CR6K
F4VPX - TM3M


 escreveu no dia segunda, 12/11/2018 à(s) 19:01:


Filipe:

In the USA and Canada:  1810, 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880,
1890, and every 10 KHz through 2000 KHz.

I missed some Eastern Europeans because they TX on 1870 in CQWW CW Contest
and we have loud 'birdie" signal from two nearby AM broadcast stations
near my QTH.

73, George, K8GG..



Hi

Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
contests

73's Filipe
CT1ILT CR5E CR6K

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8

Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
escreveu:


I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
topband@contesting.com>
wrote:



Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
from Alim.
73 JEFF
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[k8gg]

Filipe:

In the USA and Canada:  1810, 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880,
1890, and every 10 KHz through 2000 KHz.

I missed some Eastern Europeans because they TX on 1870 in CQWW CW Contest
and we have loud 'birdie" signal from two nearby AM broadcast stations
near my QTH.

73, George, K8GG..


> Hi
>
> Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> contests
>
> 73's Filipe
> CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
>
> Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> escreveu:
>
>> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
>> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>>
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
>> topband@contesting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
>> > from Alim.
>> > 73 JEFF
>> > _
>> > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> > Reflector
>> >
>> _
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
>> Reflector
>>
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Filipe Lopes]

Thanks to everyone who answered, basically I will be avoiding all /10 and
/9 frequencies.

73's Filipe Lopes
CT1ILT - CR6K
F4VPX - TM3M


 escreveu no dia segunda, 12/11/2018 à(s) 19:01:

> Filipe:
>
> In the USA and Canada:  1810, 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880,
> 1890, and every 10 KHz through 2000 KHz.
>
> I missed some Eastern Europeans because they TX on 1870 in CQWW CW Contest
> and we have loud 'birdie" signal from two nearby AM broadcast stations
> near my QTH.
>
> 73, George, K8GG..
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
> > contests
> >
> > 73's Filipe
> > CT1ILT CR5E CR6K
> >
> > Sent from my Huawei Mate 8
> >
> > Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
> > escreveu:
> >
> >> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
> >> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
> >>
> >> 73, Mike
> >> www.w0btu.com
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> >> topband@contesting.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> >> > from Alim.
> >> > 73 JEFF
> >> > _
> >> > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> >> > Reflector
> >> >
> >> _
> >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> >> Reflector
> >>
> > _
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> >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Paul Kiesel via Topband]

Aren't US and Canadian broadcast stations on frequencies
that are divisible by 10, like 900, 910, 920 kHz? That would
place harmonics on 1800, 1820, 1840, etc. I think I read
somewhere before that European broadcast stations are
separated by 9 kHz. Could be remembering wrong about
that, though.

73,
Paul, K7CW

On Mon, 11/12/18, Mike Waters  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Topband: 160m Condx
 To: "Jeffrey Briggs" 
 Cc: "topband" 
 Date: Monday, November 12, 2018, 8:27 AM
 
 I wish we could get the word out to avoid
 frequencies like that: 1810,
 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost
 always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
 
 73, Mike
 www.w0btu.com
 
 On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm---
 via Topband 
 wrote:
 
 >
 > Band still down a bit from last
 week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
 > from Alim.
 > 73 JEFF
 > _
 > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
 > Reflector
 >
 _
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Filipe Lopes]

Hi

Is there a listing of such frequencies? Want to avoid those in the coming
contests

73's Filipe
CT1ILT CR5E CR6K

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8

Na(o) Seg, 12 de nov de 2018, 17:28, Mike Waters 
escreveu:

> I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
> 1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband <
> topband@contesting.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> > from Alim.
> > 73 JEFF
> > _
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> > Reflector
> >
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Re: Topband: 160m Condx

[Mike Waters]

I wish we could get the word out to avoid frequencies like that: 1810,
1820, 1830, etc. There are almost always AM BC harmonics on those freqs.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:24 PM k1zm--- via Topband 
wrote:

>
> Band still down a bit from last week but 4k6fo good sigs now on 1830.0
> from Alim.
> 73 JEFF
> _
> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband
> Reflector
>
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Re: Topband: 160M Condx 29 Dec 2011

[Ronald Raasch]

Yes, superb condx. Called cq for abt 3hours, many RBN-spots from NA over  
30db.
15 NA in the log. Guess lot`s of folk have free from job.
kh2/n2nl works 60-70 EU in 1hour...LA is not KH2, but it may display  
something.

NA: little less conversation (on reflector) little more action! Remember  
it`s the faremost eastern stations who leave the warm bed.

HNY Ronald LA3ANA








Am 29.12.2011, 19:40 Uhr, schrieb Ray Benny rayn...@cableone.net:

 You guys are lucky. Two evening ago we worked EU, last night, nothing. A
 few of the big guns W6/7 were hearing EU, not me.

 Ray,
 N6VR

 Near Prescott, AZ

 On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Steve Sacco NN4X  
 n...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 I wandered into the shack overnight to discover excellent conditions
 into EU.

 The overall noise level was very low, and I was able to work LY, LA, SM,
 HA, G, F and PA with only 100 watts around their sunrise (between 05:57Z
 and 07:06Z).

 Interestingly everyone was about 559, and I received the similar reports
 in return.

 As previously noted, it's been a poor season for 160M; I'm glad I was
 able to get on the band for the first time last year, when the pickings
 were better.

 73 and HNY to all,

 Steve
 NN4X


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Re: Topband: 160M Condx 29 Dec 2011

[Jim F.]

Ha !  Ray,
 
From NH I heard EU stations but with a stealth condo endfed and K1 QRP rig
I may as well have been in W6 land :-)
 
However, hope springs eternal, 
and for some totally unexplainable reason, I made 
a (confirmed) contact with NH7O the other night
and am still on a tremendous high from that !
 
You never know...
 
73
 
jim  /  W1FMR  (NH)


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From: Ray Benny rayn...@cableone.net
Subject: Re: Topband: 160M Condx 29 Dec 2011
To: Steve Sacco NN4X n...@embarqmail.com
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 1:40 PM


You guys are lucky. Two evening ago we worked EU, last night, nothing. A
few of the big guns W6/7 were hearing EU, not me.

Ray,
N6VR

Near Prescott, AZ

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Steve Sacco NN4X n...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 I wandered into the shack overnight to discover excellent conditions
 into EU.

 The overall noise level was very low, and I was able to work LY, LA, SM,
 HA, G, F and PA with only 100 watts around their sunrise (between 05:57Z
 and 07:06Z).

 Interestingly everyone was about 559, and I received the similar reports
 in return.

 As previously noted, it's been a poor season for 160M; I'm glad I was
 able to get on the band for the first time last year, when the pickings
 were better.

 73 and HNY to all,

 Steve
 NN4X


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Re: Topband: 160M Condx 29 Dec 2011

[Mark Lunday]

Ditto here, only LY7M and that was not strong at all.  Been quiet this
season.  I could just barely hear the V5/DJ DXpedition, but no way I was
getting through that pileup.

Mark Lunday, WD4ELG


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Re: Topband: 160M Condx 29 Dec 2011

[Ray Benny]

You guys are lucky. Two evening ago we worked EU, last night, nothing. A
few of the big guns W6/7 were hearing EU, not me.

Ray,
N6VR

Near Prescott, AZ

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Steve Sacco NN4X n...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 I wandered into the shack overnight to discover excellent conditions
 into EU.

 The overall noise level was very low, and I was able to work LY, LA, SM,
 HA, G, F and PA with only 100 watts around their sunrise (between 05:57Z
 and 07:06Z).

 Interestingly everyone was about 559, and I received the similar reports
 in return.

 As previously noted, it's been a poor season for 160M; I'm glad I was
 able to get on the band for the first time last year, when the pickings
 were better.

 73 and HNY to all,

 Steve
 NN4X


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