Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
In Response to post by Roger, G3YRO The morning sunrise peaks are still here in Western US and warrant a good listen when the band is open. The key word here is 'Open". I'm fortunate to have a beacon station HL5IVL who is on most mornings calling CQ DX to cast an opinion. I start listening 2 hours before sunrise and hear the W5, 8, 9 and 0 stations working Kim. We are both using vertical antennas. I will note I've been active primarily on 160m since about 1976. This solar cycle has definitely been different that cycle 23. As we near the absolute minimum time will tell. In cycle 23 there were several years of good openings to Europe. Example in last cycle 2006-~2009 I was able to work SM7BIC and SM5EDX routinely if not nightly. This is not the case so far this time around. In fact this was the first season on 160m where I did not work EU during CQWW DX CW in 12 years! I also did not have significant numbers of JA QSOs in CQ or Stew Perry operating events. Having retired last February I've had the opportunity to listen both sunrise and sunset periods almost everyday. On occasion hear EU but more likely Africa at sunset. Thus far this season only GW3YDX and SM5EDX have been worked in the sunset period from Arizona. I've heard but not worked UN5J and JT1AO at or after sunrise. On a daily basis since mid-November I can say the band has been open well to Asia ~2 days a week and open to EU well <1 day average per week. Night after night I've heard guys 800-1200miles N/NW or guys in W1,2,3,4 and 5 have big signal openings. Steve VE6WZ told me he worked some 65 EU stations last week in one night! On that night at my location they were just barely audible. Mind me now I have a very quiet location and can hear the Chinese OHR that the breakfast bunch is SE Asia complain about every morning. I do not have the tools to do so but I believe that the F2 layer is lower in height this cycle which is the only way I can explain the lack of signal strength if at all. I would discount polarity as a primary issue because the DX stations heard and worked thus far have in majority of the cases been vertical polarization. Just my comments from and old 160m fart. 73 Bob, W7RH -- W7RH DM35OS It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. Albert Einstein _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Thanks for all the comments . . . Obviously at OUR Sunrise here in Europe it's still dark in North America, so I was mainly talking about that, as the peak works both ways. But clearly most of you agree. I've been working DX on 160m since 1970 . . . and there was ALWAYS a big peak in NA signals around our Sunrise (and not just a reduction in propagated band noise) - I'm talking about an increase on the S Meter, and increased reports back. (when conditions were better, I'd often have long SSB QSOs with a few in a Net, and so everyone would comment how much the signals came up) This lack of a peak is on top of the generally poor conditions that there has been for the past decade. The big signals would regularly be well over S9 all night . . . these days it's as if somebody has put a 20dB attenuator in the way ! So the big signals are often only S7, and the rest are down in the noise around S3 - 4. I'm no expert on propagation at all . . . but what I DO know is that 160m DX signals must travel very differently to 80m. How do I know? Well most people tell me I'm a pretty good DX signal all over the world . . . yet I have ALWAYS used a horizontal half wave dipole, about 50ft high. (at several different QTHs). My signal compares pretty well to those using decent verticals . . . so that proves 160m propagation is usually much higher angle than people imagine. (unlike 80m, where 90% of DX is at very low angles, and it's rubbish if you don't have a decent vertical) So the other thing I USED to notice was that I always did much better (in terms of comparison reports with other EUs using verticals) around our Sunrise, whereas the Vertical antenna guys did better around your Sunset. But this is also no longer the case. I find my reports are now often similar, even early on. So something about 160m propagation has changed ! Having said all this, I had a QSO last night with Jeff VY2ZM at S9 + 20dB both ways! (just like the old days!) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Unsuccessful attempts to work PJ7 on 160 meters showed no SR peaks here in KN29AU at all. Worked a few NA folks in the middle of the night but no Carribbean. Did not notice a JA SR peak either but looks like they are mostly on FT8 which I'll possibly use on 50 MHz only, so have no idea of what's going on there. On the other hand, surprisingly, a few VU2s with good signals and decent RX abilities showed up recently giving not only a new country but a great satisfaction and assurance that the TOP band is still alive. HNY to everybody. >Суббота, 13 января 2018, 0:48 UTC от Nick Hall-Patch : > >Thanks for the clarification Dave. When did you last see consistent >SR peaks at your location? > >I suspect that >http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression shows the >source of our difficulties. The highest level of geomagnetic >activity in the present cycle started in late 2014. Up to that >point, high latitude conditions in this location seemed pretty >reasonable overall, considering the progress of the solar cycle, but >since then, they've been fairly poor overall. > >Perhaps quieter geomagnetic conditions overall contribute to the >likelihood of the occurrence of sunrise peaks in signal >strength? (though that's difficult to tell if there are also no >signals heard previous to sunrise due to poor conditions) > >73, > >Nick >VE7DXR > > > > >At 21:30 2018-01-12, daraym...@iowatelecom.net wrote: >>When I refer to a SR peak in my earlier post, I'm referring to an >>increase in actual signal levels (with corresponding increase in S/N). >>73. . . Dave, W0FLS >> >>-Original Message----- From: Nick Hall-Patch >>Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:23 AM >>To: Petr Ourednik ; topband@contesting.com >>Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak >> >>Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to >>improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise? >> >>20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at >>sunrise. For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same >>after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually >>increase in S/N ratio). >> >>This is not to say that there was no "real" increase in signal >>levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less >>frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded >>signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. >> >>This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, >>HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT, an >>hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise >>peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and local >>noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours. >> >>Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings? >> >>73, >> >>Nick >>VE7DXR >> > >Nick Hall-Patch >Victoria, BC >Canada > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_ >Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone), 9BDXCC, 8BWAS DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I started a thread about this very subject back in July at: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/8940/what-is-the-cause-of-this-unusually-long-period-of-terrible-hf-band-conditions Let us know your opinions. Several (except one) have posted references there that this solar minimum is not *any* lower than the previous ones. Something else is going on in our ionosphere. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > I suspect that http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression > shows the source of our difficulties. The highest level of geomagnetic > activity in the present cycle started in late 2014. Up to that point, > high latitude conditions in this location seemed pretty reasonable overall, > considering the progress of the solar cycle, but since then, they've been > fairly poor overall. > > Perhaps quieter geomagnetic conditions overall contribute to the > likelihood of the occurrence of sunrise peaks in signal strength? (though > that's difficult to tell if there are also no signals heard previous to > sunrise due to poor conditions) > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Thanks for the clarification Dave. When did you last see consistent SR peaks at your location? I suspect that http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression shows the source of our difficulties. The highest level of geomagnetic activity in the present cycle started in late 2014. Up to that point, high latitude conditions in this location seemed pretty reasonable overall, considering the progress of the solar cycle, but since then, they've been fairly poor overall. Perhaps quieter geomagnetic conditions overall contribute to the likelihood of the occurrence of sunrise peaks in signal strength? (though that's difficult to tell if there are also no signals heard previous to sunrise due to poor conditions) 73, Nick VE7DXR At 21:30 2018-01-12, daraym...@iowatelecom.net wrote: When I refer to a SR peak in my earlier post, I'm referring to an increase in actual signal levels (with corresponding increase in S/N). 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: Nick Hall-Patch Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:23 AM To: Petr Ourednik ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise? 20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at sunrise. For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually increase in S/N ratio). This is not to say that there was no "real" increase in signal levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT, an hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and local noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours. Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings? 73, Nick VE7DXR Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I worked 10 new ones, mostly in the in the Carribbean, in Nov/Dec and got all excited about the coming season. To date, in spite of following all the cluster spots, I have heard NO European stations since 2009! No RX antennas up yet, but plans underway. VE7XF _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
When I refer to a SR peak in my earlier post, I'm referring to an increase in actual signal levels (with corresponding increase in S/N). 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: Nick Hall-Patch Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:23 AM To: Petr Ourednik ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise? 20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at sunrise. For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually increase in S/N ratio). This is not to say that there was no "real" increase in signal levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT, an hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and local noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours. Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings? 73, Nick VE7DXR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Although my first ever top-band QSO was in 1959 and was a DX station (VE7) it's only been in the last year or so that I've been semi-seriously working the band. The impetus being a 9th band DXCC. At the moment, I have 82 entities worked, 52 of them in the last 12 months. I'm clearly not an expert. That said, my observations from the desert of southern Arizona are that I've never noted any peaking at my SS but up until maybe a month ago I was noting a peak at my SR. The caveats are: 1) I'm using my ground-mounted 55' high Inverted-L TX antenna on RX, 2) there is a lot more noisy land mass to the north and east of me than to the west. A peak at my SS, if any, when I'm looking for stations in darkness (EU, AF), brings up noise as well as signals and offers no SNR improvement. The other downside is the increased QRM and the extra hops to any DX. To the west at my SR, the usual activity is from JA, HL, BY and sometimes UA9/UA0. All of these are ~6,000+ mile paths. Noise from the east naturally subsides but there is "usually" also a definite peak in received signals. "Usually" is the operative word. A couple of surgeries and disconnected antennas due to a passing storm had me QRT for the last ten or so days, but this AM I was back on. At 1230Z, the band was loaded with JAs and one HL, most of whom I've worked before. In deference to the W4s I heard calling them I only worked the pleading ones. (I wish I got the same deference in the other direction). Signals were above average, S5-S7. I decided to hit the shower and come back at SR which was 1425Z today. I returned at about 1400Z and the band was totally quiet, with the exception of one station in CO, calling CQ. I don't know whether conditions suddenly changed or all dozen JAs decided to go to bed at the same time. Wes N7WS On 1/12/2018 10:23 AM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise? 20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at sunrise. For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually increase in S/N ratio). This is not to say that there was no "real" increase in signal levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less frequent than was thought at the time. If someone has recorded signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT, an hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise peak. Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and local noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours. Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings? 73, Nick VE7DXR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
W3TA Tom search,Log antenna on ground.Simple and only 15 ft on a side.It just might work for you &E Jim W3TO > On January 12, 2018 at 12:51 PM Thomas Hoyer wrote: > > > I'm using a Battle Creek Special. I had plans to make some form of compact RX > antenna - no room for long wire antennas here - this fall, but other things > got in the way > > > Tom > W3TA > > > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Duffy > To: 'Thomas Hoyer' ; roger > ; topband > Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:36 am > Subject: RE: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > > Hello Tom: > > I am curious what your topband RX antenna is? > > 73 > Tim K3LR > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > Hoyer > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM > To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > > I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard > no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level > though > > > Tom > W3TA > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Kennedy > To: topband > Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am > Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > > > The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . > so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm > usually on from around 23.30 Z) > > However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals > around our Sunrise > > (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually > increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) > > Roger G3YRO > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I'm using a Battle Creek Special. I had plans to make some form of compact RX antenna - no room for long wire antennas here - this fall, but other things got in the way Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Tim Duffy To: 'Thomas Hoyer' ; roger ; topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:36 am Subject: RE: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak Hello Tom: I am curious what your topband RX antenna is? 73 Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Hoyer Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise? 20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at sunrise. For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually increase in S/N ratio). This is not to say that there was no "real" increase in signal levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT, an hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and local noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours. Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings? 73, Nick VE7DXR At 14:52 2018-01-12, Petr Ourednik wrote: Hi all, the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior please? 73 - Petr, OK1RP On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Ken Boasi wrote: > High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have > been generally good in the last week, but activity has been light. > > Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80. > Europe has also been in very good on both bands. > > I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 when I listened. > > I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA > having a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z. > > 73, Ken N2ZN > > > On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote: > > > > Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX antenna was also S7. > > > > George > > AA7JV > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500 > > Thomas Hoyer wrote: > >> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though........ > >> Tom > >> W3TA > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Roger Kennedy > >> To: topband > >> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am > >> Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > >> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . > >> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm > >> usually on from around 23.30 Z) > >> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals > >> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually > >> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) > >> Roger G3YRO > >> _ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > >> _ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- 73 - Petr, OK1RP B: goo.gl/Fd2JhJ G+: goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: goo.gl/gP99xq _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I also noticed the lack of SR peaks. On those mornings the peak seemed to be about an hour before SR. 73, Glenn KD0Q On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:36 AM, wrote: > There have been many mornings (in fact, most mornings) here in the Midwest > where there has been little or no sunrise peak. If there is one at all, it > is weak. This seems to be consistent with the current pattern of overall > poor conditions. During periods of better conditions it seems we see very > frequent and much more prominent sunrise peaks. 73. . . Dave, > W0FLS > > -Original Message- From: Petr Ourednik > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:52 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > > Hi all, > > the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS > phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior > please? > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
There have been many mornings (in fact, most mornings) here in the Midwest where there has been little or no sunrise peak. If there is one at all, it is weak. This seems to be consistent with the current pattern of overall poor conditions. During periods of better conditions it seems we see very frequent and much more prominent sunrise peaks. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS -Original Message- From: Petr Ourednik Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:52 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak Hi all, the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior please? 73 - Petr, OK1RP _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Hi all, the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior please? 73 - Petr, OK1RP On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Ken Boasi wrote: > High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have > been generally good in the last week, but activity has been light. > > Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80. > Europe has also been in very good on both bands. > > I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 when I > listened. > > I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA > having a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z. > > 73, Ken N2ZN > > > On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote: > > > > Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX > > antenna was also S7. > > > > George > > AA7JV > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500 > > Thomas Hoyer wrote: > >> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and > >> heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level > >> though.... > >> Tom > >> W3TA > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Roger Kennedy > >> To: topband > >> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am > >> Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > >> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . > >> . > >> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm > >> usually on from around 23.30 Z) > >> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals > >> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, > >> signals would usually > >> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) > >> Roger G3YRO > >> _ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > >> _ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- 73 - Petr, OK1RP B: goo.gl/Fd2JhJ G+: goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: goo.gl/gP99xq _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have been generally good in the last week, but activity has been light. Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80. Europe has also been in very good on both bands. I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 when I listened. I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA having a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z. 73, Ken N2ZN > On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote: > > Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX > antenna was also S7. > > George > AA7JV > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500 > Thomas Hoyer wrote: >> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard >> no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level >> though >> Tom >> W3TA >> -Original Message- >> From: Roger Kennedy >> To: topband >> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am >> Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak >> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . >> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm >> usually on from around 23.30 Z) >> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals >> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, >> signals would usually >> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) >> Roger G3YRO >> _ >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >> _ >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Hello Tom: I am curious what your topband RX antenna is? 73 Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Hoyer Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX antenna was also S7. George AA7JV On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500 Thomas Hoyer wrote: I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
If you're in a black hole Tom, then I must find a whole lotta patience. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy "Actions speak louder than words" 1856 - Abraham Lincoln From: Topband on behalf of Thomas Hoyer Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:34 AM To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
Hi Tom and Roger, I decided to add my 2c as I noticed the same behavior with no GL peak for last weeks over here... I remember the great peaks during the Grey line phenomenon condx window years ago but not now. I tried to observing the condx during the GL window for last few weeks on TB (thanks to Xmas time and my illness on ATB) with the similar results as Roger reported. Also I tried to switch in between several RX antennas like W2PM MiniDiamond loop, K9FD loop, low dipole as same as my TX antenna (loaded half sloper) and there was no difference regarding the peak at the GL time... 73 - Petr, OK1RP http://160m.blogspot.com On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Thomas Hoyer wrote: > I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and > heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level > though > > > Tom > W3TA > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Kennedy > To: topband > Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am > Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak > > > The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . > so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm > usually on from around 23.30 Z) > > However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals > around our Sunrise > > (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually > increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) > > Roger G3YRO > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- 73 - Petr, OK1RP B: goo.gl/Fd2JhJ G+: goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: goo.gl/gP99xq _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level though Tom W3TA -Original Message- From: Roger Kennedy To: topband Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . . so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm usually on from around 23.30 Z) However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways) Roger G3YRO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband