Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[W7RH]

In Response to post by Roger, G3YRO

The morning sunrise peaks are still here in Western US and warrant a 
good listen when the band is open. The key word here is 'Open". I'm 
fortunate to have a beacon station HL5IVL who is on most mornings 
calling CQ DX to cast an opinion. I start listening 2 hours before 
sunrise and hear the W5, 8, 9 and 0 stations working Kim. We are both 
using vertical antennas.


I will note I've been active primarily on 160m since about 1976. This 
solar cycle has definitely been different that cycle 23. As we near the 
absolute minimum time will tell. In cycle 23 there were several years of 
good openings to Europe. Example in last cycle 2006-~2009 I was able to 
work SM7BIC and SM5EDX routinely if not nightly. This is not the case so 
far this time around. In fact this was the first season on 160m where I 
did not work EU during CQWW DX CW in 12 years! I also did not have 
significant numbers of JA QSOs in CQ or Stew Perry operating events.


Having retired last February I've had the opportunity to listen both 
sunrise and sunset periods almost everyday. On occasion hear EU but more 
likely Africa at sunset. Thus far this season only GW3YDX and SM5EDX 
have been worked in the sunset period from Arizona. I've heard but not 
worked UN5J and JT1AO at or after sunrise.


On a daily basis since mid-November I can say the band has been open 
well to Asia ~2 days a week and open to EU well <1 day average per week. 
Night after night I've heard guys 800-1200miles N/NW or guys in W1,2,3,4 
and 5 have big signal openings. Steve VE6WZ told me he worked some 65 EU 
stations last week in one night! On that night at my location they were 
just barely audible. Mind me now I have a very quiet location and can 
hear the Chinese OHR that the breakfast bunch is SE Asia complain about 
every morning.


I do not have the tools to do so but I believe that the F2 layer is 
lower in height this cycle which is the only way I can explain the lack 
of signal strength if at all. I would discount polarity as a primary 
issue because the DX stations heard and worked thus far have in majority 
of the cases been vertical polarization.


Just my comments from and old 160m fart.

73


Bob, W7RH

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Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Roger Kennedy]

 
Thanks for all the comments . . .

Obviously at OUR Sunrise here in Europe it's still dark in North America, so
I was mainly talking about that, as the peak works both ways. But clearly
most of you agree.

I've been working DX on 160m since 1970 . . . and there was ALWAYS a big
peak in NA signals around our Sunrise (and not just a reduction in
propagated band noise) - I'm talking about an increase on the S Meter, and
increased reports back.  (when conditions were better, I'd often have long
SSB QSOs with a few in a Net, and so everyone would comment how much the
signals came up)

This lack of a peak is on top of the generally poor conditions that there
has been for the past decade.  The big signals would regularly be well over
S9 all night . . . these days it's as if somebody has put a 20dB attenuator
in the way !  So the big signals are often only S7, and the rest are down in
the noise around S3 - 4.

I'm no expert on propagation at all . . . but what I DO know is that 160m DX
signals must travel very differently to 80m. 

How do I know?  Well most people tell me I'm a pretty good DX signal all
over the world . . . yet I have ALWAYS used a horizontal half wave dipole,
about 50ft high. (at several different QTHs). My signal compares pretty well
to those using decent verticals . . . so that proves 160m propagation is
usually much higher angle than people imagine. (unlike 80m, where 90% of DX
is at very low angles, and it's rubbish if you don't have a decent vertical)

So the other thing I USED to notice was that I always did much better (in
terms of comparison reports with other EUs using verticals) around our
Sunrise, whereas the Vertical antenna guys did better around your Sunset.
But this is also no longer the case.  I find my reports are now often
similar, even early on.

So something about 160m propagation has changed !

Having said all this, I had a QSO last night with Jeff VY2ZM at S9 + 20dB
both ways!  (just like the old days!)

Roger G3YRO


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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Mike Waters]

I started a thread about this very subject back in July at:

ham.stackexchange.com/questions/8940/what-is-the-cause-of-this-unusually-long-period-of-terrible-hf-band-conditions

Let us know your opinions. Several (except one) have posted references
there that this solar minimum is not *any* lower than the previous ones.
Something else is going on in our ionosphere.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I suspect that http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression
> shows the source of our difficulties.  The highest level of geomagnetic
> activity in the present cycle started in late 2014.   Up to that point,
> high latitude conditions in this location seemed pretty reasonable overall,
> considering the progress of the solar cycle, but since then, they've been
> fairly poor overall.
>
> Perhaps quieter geomagnetic conditions overall contribute to the
> likelihood of the occurrence of sunrise peaks in signal strength?   (though
> that's difficult to tell if there are also no signals heard previous to
> sunrise due to poor conditions)
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Thanks for the clarification Dave.   When did you last see consistent 
SR peaks at your location?


I suspect that 
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression shows the 
source of our difficulties.  The highest level of geomagnetic 
activity in the present cycle started in late 2014.   Up to that 
point, high latitude conditions in this location seemed pretty 
reasonable overall, considering the progress of the solar cycle, but 
since then, they've been fairly poor overall.


Perhaps quieter geomagnetic conditions overall contribute to the 
likelihood of the occurrence of sunrise peaks in signal 
strength?   (though that's difficult to tell if there are also no 
signals heard previous to sunrise due to poor conditions)


73,

Nick
VE7DXR




At 21:30 2018-01-12, daraym...@iowatelecom.net wrote:
When I refer to a SR peak in my earlier post, I'm referring to an 
increase in actual signal levels (with corresponding increase in S/N).

73. . . Dave, W0FLS

-Original Message- From: Nick Hall-Patch
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:23 AM
To: Petr Ourednik ; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to
improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise?

20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at
sunrise.   For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same
after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually
increase in S/N ratio).

This is not to say that there was  no "real" increase in signal
levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less
frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded
signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster,
HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT,  an
hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise
peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and  local
noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours.

Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings?

73,

Nick
VE7DXR



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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Ralph Parker]

I worked 10 new ones, mostly in the in the Carribbean, in Nov/Dec and 
got all excited about the coming season.
To date, in spite of following all the cluster spots, I have heard NO 
European stations since 2009!

No RX antennas up yet, but plans underway.

VE7XF

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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[daraymond]

When I refer to a SR peak in my earlier post, I'm referring to an increase 
in actual signal levels (with corresponding increase in S/N).

73. . . Dave, W0FLS

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Hall-Patch

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:23 AM
To: Petr Ourednik ; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to
improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise?

20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at
sunrise.   For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same
after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually
increase in S/N ratio).

This is not to say that there was  no "real" increase in signal
levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less
frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded
signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster,
HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT,  an
hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise
peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and  local
noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours.

Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings?

73,

Nick
VE7DXR


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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Wes Stewart]

Although my first ever top-band QSO was in 1959 and was a DX station (VE7) it's 
only been in the last year or so that I've been semi-seriously working the 
band.  The impetus being a 9th band DXCC.  At the moment, I have 82 entities 
worked, 52 of them in the last 12 months.  I'm clearly not an expert. That said, 
my observations from the desert of southern Arizona are that I've never noted 
any peaking at my SS but up until maybe a month ago I was noting a peak at my SR.


The caveats are: 1) I'm using my ground-mounted 55' high Inverted-L TX antenna 
on RX, 2) there is a lot more noisy land mass to the north and east of me than 
to the west.  A peak at my SS, if any, when I'm looking for stations in darkness 
(EU, AF), brings up noise as well as signals and offers no SNR improvement. The 
other downside is the increased QRM and the extra hops to any DX.  To the west 
at my SR, the usual activity is from JA, HL, BY and sometimes UA9/UA0.  All of 
these are ~6,000+ mile paths. Noise from the east naturally subsides but there 
is "usually" also a definite peak in received signals.


"Usually" is the operative word.  A couple of surgeries and disconnected 
antennas due to a passing storm had me QRT for the last ten or so days, but this 
AM I was back on.  At 1230Z, the band was loaded with JAs and one HL, most of 
whom I've worked before.  In deference to the W4s I heard calling them I only 
worked the pleading ones.  (I wish I got the same deference in the other 
direction).  Signals were above average, S5-S7.  I decided to hit the shower and 
come back at SR which was 1425Z today.  I returned at about 1400Z and the band 
was totally quiet, with the exception of one station in CO, calling CQ.  I don't 
know whether conditions suddenly changed or all dozen JAs decided to go to bed 
at the same time.


Wes  N7WS


On 1/12/2018 10:23 AM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote:
Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to improved 
signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise?


20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at sunrise.   For 
many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same after sunrise, so, no 
apparent increase in signal strength (actually increase in S/N ratio).


This is not to say that there was  no "real" increase in signal levels at 
sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less frequent than was thought 
at the time.    If someone has recorded signal strength levels from that 
period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.


This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, HLAZ-1566kHz from 
South Korea was audible until after 1700UT,  an hour past local sunrise, with 
a reasonable sunrise peak. Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, 
and  local noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours.


Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings?

73,

Nick
VE7DXR




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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[JL PFIRMAN]

W3TA Tom search,Log antenna on ground.Simple and only 15 ft on a side.It just 
might work for you  Jim W3TO

> On January 12, 2018 at 12:51 PM Thomas Hoyer <thoy...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'm using a Battle Creek Special. I had plans to make some form of compact RX 
> antenna - no room for long wire antennas here - this fall, but other things 
> got in the way
>
>
> Tom
> W3TA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Duffy <k...@k3lr.com>
> To: 'Thomas Hoyer' <thoy...@verizon.net>; roger 
> <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>; topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:36 am
> Subject: RE: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
>
> Hello Tom:
>
> I am curious what your topband RX antenna is?
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Hoyer
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM
> To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
>
> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard
> no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level
> though
>
>
> Tom
> W3TA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
> Subject: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
>
>
> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys! (I'm
> usually on from around 23.30 Z)
>
> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
> around our Sunrise
>
> (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)
>
> Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Thomas Hoyer]

I'm using a Battle Creek Special. I had plans to make some form of compact RX 
antenna - no room for long wire antennas here - this fall, but other things got 
in the way


Tom
W3TA



-Original Message-
From: Tim Duffy <k...@k3lr.com>
To: 'Thomas Hoyer' <thoy...@verizon.net>; roger 
<ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>; topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:36 am
Subject: RE: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

Hello Tom:

I am curious what your topband RX antenna is?

73
Tim K3LR

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Hoyer
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM
To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard
no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level
though


Tom
W3TA



-Original Message-
From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak


The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
usually on from around 23.30 Z)

However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
around our Sunrise 

(in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)

Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Wasn't some of the apparent peaking of signals at sunrise due to 
improved signal to noise levels as noise levels drop at sunrise?


20 years ago for many of us, noise levels did actually drop at 
sunrise.   For many DXers now, (man-made) noise levels stay the same 
after sunrise, so, no apparent increase in signal strength (actually 
increase in S/N ratio).


This is not to say that there was  no "real" increase in signal 
levels at sunrise 20 years ago, just that it was perhaps less 
frequent than was thought at the time.If someone has recorded 
signal strength levels from that period, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.


This morning, in western Canada, a medium-wave broadcaster, 
HLAZ-1566kHz from South Korea was audible until after 1700UT,  an 
hour past local sunrise, with a reasonable sunrise 
peak.Yesterday, there wasn't much of a sunrise peak, and  local 
noise conditions haven't changed that much over 24 hours.


Was any west coaster on 160m on those two mornings?

73,

Nick
VE7DXR



At 14:52 2018-01-12, Petr Ourednik wrote:

Hi all,

the original question was about the signals level peak during the 
SR/SS phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise 
peak" behavior please?


73 - Petr, OK1RP

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Ken Boasi wrote:
> High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have
> been generally good in the last week, but activity has been light.
>
> Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80.
> Europe has also been in very good on both bands.
>
> I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 
when I listened.

>
> I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA
> having a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z.
>
> 73, Ken N2ZN
>
> > On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER <aa...@atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, 
noise on my TX antenna was also S7.

> >
> > George
> > AA7JV
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500
> > Thomas Hoyer <thoy...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this 
week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 
noise level though

> >> Tom
> >> W3TA
> >> -Original Message-----
> >> From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> >> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
> >> Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
> >> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night 
this week . . .

> >> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
> >> usually on from around 23.30 Z)
> >> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
> >> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much 
better, signals would usually

> >> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)
> >> Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[KD0Q]

I also noticed the lack of SR peaks.  On those mornings the peak seemed to
be about an hour before SR.

73, Glenn KD0Q

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:36 AM, <daraym...@iowatelecom.net> wrote:

> There have been many mornings (in fact, most mornings) here in the Midwest
> where there has been little or no sunrise peak.  If there is one at all, it
> is weak.  This seems to be consistent with the current pattern of overall
> poor conditions.  During periods of better conditions it seems we see very
> frequent and much more prominent sunrise peaks.   73. . . Dave,
> W0FLS
>
> -Original Message- From: Petr Ourednik
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:52 AM
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
>
> Hi all,
>
> the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS
> phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior
> please?
>
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[daraymond]

There have been many mornings (in fact, most mornings) here in the Midwest 
where there has been little or no sunrise peak.  If there is one at all, it 
is weak.  This seems to be consistent with the current pattern of overall 
poor conditions.  During periods of better conditions it seems we see very 
frequent and much more prominent sunrise peaks.   73. . . Dave, 
W0FLS


-Original Message- 
From: Petr Ourednik

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:52 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

Hi all,

the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS 
phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior 
please?


73 - Petr, OK1RP


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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Petr Ourednik]

Hi all,

the original question was about the signals level peak during the SR/SS 
phenomenon time... did someone noticed the same "No Sunrise peak" behavior 
please?

73 - Petr, OK1RP

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Ken Boasi wrote:
> High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have 
> been generally good in the last week, but activity has been light. 
> 
> Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80. 
> Europe has also been in very good on both bands. 
> 
> I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 when I 
> listened. 
> 
> I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA 
> having a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z. 
> 
> 73, Ken N2ZN 
> 
> > On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER <aa...@atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX 
> > antenna was also S7.
> > 
> > George
> > AA7JV
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500
> > Thomas Hoyer <thoy...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and 
> >> heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level 
> >> though
> >> Tom
> >> W3TA
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> >> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
> >> Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
> >> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . 
> >> .
> >> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
> >> usually on from around 23.30 Z)
> >> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
> >> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, 
> >> signals would usually
> >> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)
> >> Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Ken Boasi]

High noise levels must be driving people off the band. Conditions have been 
generally good in the last week, but activity has been light. 

Have heard several UA9 stations on both 80/160 and worked a few on 80. Europe 
has also been in very good on both bands. 

I heard you working the US last night Roger-you were about 579 when I listened. 

I know a number of folks in the NE USA worked UK9AA last night with 'AA having 
a good signal for a few hours between 2300-0200z. 

73, Ken N2ZN 

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:04 AM, GEORGE WALLNER <aa...@atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, Unfortunately, noise on my TX 
> antenna was also S7.
> 
> George
> AA7JV
> 
> 
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500
> Thomas Hoyer <thoy...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard 
>> no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level 
>> though
>> Tom
>> W3TA
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
>> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
>> Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
>> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
>> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
>> usually on from around 23.30 Z)
>> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
>> around our Sunrise (in the old days, when conditions were much better, 
>> signals would usually
>> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)
>> Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Tim Duffy]

Hello Tom:

I am curious what your topband RX antenna is?

73
Tim K3LR

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Hoyer
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 7:35 AM
To: ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard
no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level
though


Tom
W3TA



-Original Message-
From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak


The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
usually on from around 23.30 Z)

However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
around our Sunrise 

(in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)

Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[GEORGE WALLNER]

Some EU stations were S7 in Miami last night, 
Unfortunately, noise on my TX antenna was also S7.


George
AA7JV


On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:34:58 -0500
 Thomas Hoyer <thoy...@verizon.net> wrote:
I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night 
this week and heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have 
an S7 to S9 noise level though



Tom
W3TA



-Original Message-
From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak


The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every 
night this week . . .
so let's hear some more activity from you North American 
guys!   (I'm

usually on from around 23.30 Z)

However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no 
peak in signals
around our Sunrise 

(in the old days, when conditions were much better, 
signals would usually

increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)

Roger G3YRO
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Petr Ourednik]

Hi Tom and Roger,

I decided to add my 2c as I noticed the same behavior with no GL peak for last 
weeks
over here...
I remember the great peaks during the Grey line phenomenon condx window 
years ago but not now. I tried to observing the condx during the GL window for 
last 
few weeks on TB (thanks to Xmas time and my illness on ATB) with the similar 
results
as Roger reported. 
Also I tried to switch in between several RX antennas like W2PM MiniDiamond 
loop, 
K9FD loop, low dipole as same as my TX antenna (loaded half sloper) and there 
was no 
difference regarding the peak at the GL time...

73 - Petr, OK1RP
http://160m.blogspot.com


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Thomas Hoyer wrote:
> I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and 
> heard no EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level 
> though
> 
> 
> Tom
> W3TA
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
> Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak
> 
> 
> The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
> so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
> usually on from around 23.30 Z)
> 
> However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
> around our Sunrise 
> 
> (in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
> increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)
> 
> Roger G3YRO
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-- 
73 - Petr, OK1RP
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G+: goo.gl/w3u2s9
G+: goo.gl/gP99xq
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Re: Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Thomas Hoyer]

I must be in a black hole as I have listened every night this week and heard no 
EU. Probably doesn't help I have an S7 to S9 noise level 
though


Tom
W3TA



-Original Message-
From: Roger Kennedy <ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:57 am
Subject: Topband:  Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak


The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
usually on from around 23.30 Z)

However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
around our Sunrise 

(in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)

Roger G3YRO
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Topband: Band Open - But No Sunrise Peak

[Roger Kennedy]

The band has been open for DX from Europe almost every night this week . . .
so let's hear some more activity from you North American guys!   (I'm
usually on from around 23.30 Z)

However . . . I'm still amazed that there seems to be no peak in signals
around our Sunrise 

(in the old days, when conditions were much better, signals would usually
increase by at least 10 to 20dB, both ways)

Roger G3YRO
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