Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
> On Apr 25, 2019, at 1:24 PM, FZ Bruce wrote: > > If he expires, the FT-8 could go on. A misconception. K1JT's WSJT-X software has a transmit watchdog timer with I believe a 5 minute max limit - can be set lower of course. de NA4M -. .- ….- -- Phil Duff na4m[at]suddenlink[dot]net _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
That’s what you call a “dead-easy” QSO. From Babcocks iPhone > On Apr 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, FZ Bruce wrote: > > My two cents worth. I'm getting tired of the subject also. But I do > not see it as human to human as an operator can go away while the > device is still going. If he expires, the FT-8 could go on. If the > ARRL did not feel right calling him/it a silent key, they could list > it as a silent call sign. ( ; > )) > > 73 > Bruce k1fz > >-From: "Victor Goncharsky via > Topband" > To: topband@contesting.com > Cc: > Sent: Thursday April 25 2019 12:25:31PM > Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW > > Just a short story for this FT-8 vs CW/SSB discussion. > We, with Helen UR5WA, have been waiting for QSL card from VR2XAN for > 160m QSOs in CQWWCW 2017. > Two direct requests both with IRC and $$$ have been sent but no > answer. > Tried some Italian assistance - same result. > So the obvious decision was to give FT8 a try. > This resulted in VR2KW QSOs and the next day LoTW confirmation. > We have no interest nor intention to apply for Digital DXCC, but if > there's no other option we'll work new ones on FT8. "The world is > changed". > > -- > 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), > P.E. > UARL Technical and VHF Committies > DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone), 10BDXCC, 8BWAS > DXCC card checker (160 meters). > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [1] - Topband > Reflector > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
My two cents worth. I'm getting tired of the subject also. But I do not see it as human to human as an operator can go away while the device is still going. If he expires, the FT-8 could go on. If the ARRL did not feel right calling him/it a silent key, they could list it as a silent call sign. ( ; > )) 73 Bruce k1fz -From: "Victor Goncharsky via Topband" To: topband@contesting.com Cc: Sent: Thursday April 25 2019 12:25:31PM Subject: Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW Just a short story for this FT-8 vs CW/SSB discussion. We, with Helen UR5WA, have been waiting for QSL card from VR2XAN for 160m QSOs in CQWWCW 2017. Two direct requests both with IRC and $$$ have been sent but no answer. Tried some Italian assistance - same result. So the obvious decision was to give FT8 a try. This resulted in VR2KW QSOs and the next day LoTW confirmation. We have no interest nor intention to apply for Digital DXCC, but if there's no other option we'll work new ones on FT8. "The world is changed". -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone), 10BDXCC, 8BWAS DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [1] - Topband Reflector Links: -- [1] http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
Just a short story for this FT-8 vs CW/SSB discussion. We, with Helen UR5WA, have been waiting for QSL card from VR2XAN for 160m QSOs in CQWWCW 2017. Two direct requests both with IRC and $$$ have been sent but no answer. Tried some Italian assistance - same result. So the obvious decision was to give FT8 a try. This resulted in VR2KW QSOs and the next day LoTW confirmation. We have no interest nor intention to apply for Digital DXCC, but if there's no other option we'll work new ones on FT8. "The world is changed". -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone), 10BDXCC, 8BWAS DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
*In addition to CW contesting*, this might be fun to try sometime for us old men with chronic fatigue, mono, and Lyme. Thank you! 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 12:38 PM Joe wrote: > ... > Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious > work on a faster, more contest-friendly digital mode that can compete with > RTTY-contesting QSO rates while preserving many of the benefits of FT8. The > result is FT4 -- a new digital mode specifically designed for radio > contesting. ... > > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
To: WSJT-X users interested in testing FT4 From: K1JT, K9AN, and G4WJS Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious work on a faster, more contest-friendly digital mode that can compete with RTTY-contesting QSO rates while preserving many of the benefits of FT8. The result is FT4 -- a new digital mode specifically designed for radio contesting. Over the past month a small group of volunteers have been conducting on-the-air tests of FT4. The early tests were very successful and helped us to make a number of important design decisions. We believe FT4 has considerable promise for its intended purpose. We'll soon be ready for testing by a larger group. If you might be interested in participating and offering your considered feedback, please read the descriptive document "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting", posted here: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol.pdf We plan to post downloadable installation packages for WSJT-X 2.1.0-rc5 on April 29, one week from today. The document linked above includes - Instructions for installing WSJT-X 2.1.0-rc5 and FT4 configuration - Operating instructions for FT4 - Basic description of the FT4 protocol, modulation, and waveform - Detailed sensitivity measurements for FT4 under a wide variety of simulated propagation conditions - Schedule for upcoming test sessions Please consider helping us to make FT4 a successful mode for digital contesting With best wishes and 73, -- Joe (K1JT), Steve (K9AN), and Bill (G4WJS) Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 4/24/2019 12:34 PM, Mike Waters wrote: Someone on 75m this morning said that there was a new FT-4 mode, meant for contesting. I know nothing about it. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
Hi Rick, I don't have a memory keyer. I do intend to set up a computer or something to make the calls (CQ) while I do other things near the radios. When somebody replies it will be back to sending by hand for me. I do prefer CW. I am not even sure where a working mic is hidden - I think I have two or three. But hams who want to work ft-8 or other digital stuff are fine with me. I have noticed they are NOT in my way. I am not in their way:) I even tune to their signals to see who I can hear just to get a 'real time' idea about propagation. That is far from useless. But making QSOs that way is more boring for me than watching paint dry. Contest "QSOs" too. But never say never:) I have been know to add a few "contacts" in contests. 73, Bill KU8H On 4/24/19 1:12 PM, rick darwicki via Topband wrote: So how many of us still send the whole QSO with a key?Buttons on my Pro III do most of the work (like mouse clicks with FT-8), I only send the other station's call (like typing it in with FT-8) I have a friend here in Yorba Linda running 100W to a short vertical that never worked east of the Mississippi on CW.He now has about 25 DXCC using FT-8. There are times when you cannot even hear an audio tone and you still make a "QSO" DX on 160 is like a DX-pedition 5NN, RR ur 5NN 73 dit dit. I can count on one hand the QSO's where someone sent OP HR Roger running 1KW to phased verticals and 500 foot beverage NE/SW Countless people have told me they never get on 160 because there is never anyone on, except during ARRL and CQ contests.More and more are getting on because there always seems to be guys on FT-8. My DXCC on 160 is all CW and I may have worked a few SSB stations during contests, only locals on SSB otherwise. If there is a country I need, I'll work it ANY mode. The problem is FT-8 is supposed to be a low power mode and naturally some are running 1 KW and swamping the little guys No matter who is in the White House, it hasn't changed how I live or how often I go out to eat. FT-8 isn't going to change my enjoyment of ham radio. SSB, PSK, EME, AM, Slow Scan TV etc have all fought their battles. If FT-8 was at 1895 or prohibited during contest weekends, we probably wouldn't even know it was on the band. Rick N6PE == Dying is easy, the hard part is living On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 11:21:48 PM PDT, topband-requ...@contesting.com wrote: Send Topband mailing list submissions to topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 (Andree DL8LAS) 2. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 (daraym...@iowatelecom.net) 3. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Victor Goncharsky) 4. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) 5. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (VE6WZ_Steve) 6. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (GEORGE WALLNER) 7. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Mike Waters) 8. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (W7RH) 9. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Mike Waters) 10. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) 11. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:50:57 + (UTC) From: Andree DL8LAS To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 Message-ID: <1521797704.3392014.1556038257...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey topbanders, I am also every morning 2:30 UTC? on 160m CW, check at first W1AW beacon? 1802,5 Mhz. Signal is mostly clear RST 559. Than i call CQ and check RBN, the NA skimmer received me from 10-24dB. But no answer from NA stations. Conditions are not bad, so please listen more for DX from EU. vy 73? Andy DL8LAS www.dl8las.de www.dl8las.com On Dienstag, 23 April, 2019 topband-request wrote: Send Topband mailing list submissions to ??? topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Lack of NA Activity on CW (Roger Kennedy) ? 2. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (lennart.michaels...@telia.com) ? 3. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Peter Sundberg) ? 4. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) ? 5
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
Someone on 75m this morning said that there was a new FT-4 mode, meant for contesting. I know nothing about it. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: FT-8 vs CW
So how many of us still send the whole QSO with a key?Buttons on my Pro III do most of the work (like mouse clicks with FT-8), I only send the other station's call (like typing it in with FT-8) I have a friend here in Yorba Linda running 100W to a short vertical that never worked east of the Mississippi on CW.He now has about 25 DXCC using FT-8. There are times when you cannot even hear an audio tone and you still make a "QSO" DX on 160 is like a DX-pedition 5NN, RR ur 5NN 73 dit dit. I can count on one hand the QSO's where someone sent OP HR Roger running 1KW to phased verticals and 500 foot beverage NE/SW Countless people have told me they never get on 160 because there is never anyone on, except during ARRL and CQ contests.More and more are getting on because there always seems to be guys on FT-8. My DXCC on 160 is all CW and I may have worked a few SSB stations during contests, only locals on SSB otherwise. If there is a country I need, I'll work it ANY mode. The problem is FT-8 is supposed to be a low power mode and naturally some are running 1 KW and swamping the little guys No matter who is in the White House, it hasn't changed how I live or how often I go out to eat. FT-8 isn't going to change my enjoyment of ham radio. SSB, PSK, EME, AM, Slow Scan TV etc have all fought their battles. If FT-8 was at 1895 or prohibited during contest weekends, we probably wouldn't even know it was on the band. Rick N6PE == Dying is easy, the hard part is living On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 11:21:48 PM PDT, topband-requ...@contesting.com wrote: Send Topband mailing list submissions to topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 (Andree DL8LAS) 2. Re: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 (daraym...@iowatelecom.net) 3. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Victor Goncharsky) 4. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) 5. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (VE6WZ_Steve) 6. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (GEORGE WALLNER) 7. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Mike Waters) 8. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (W7RH) 9. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Mike Waters) 10. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) 11. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:50:57 + (UTC) From: Andree DL8LAS To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 196, Issue 22 Message-ID: <1521797704.3392014.1556038257...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey topbanders, I am also every morning 2:30 UTC? on 160m CW, check at first W1AW beacon? 1802,5 Mhz. Signal is mostly clear RST 559. Than i call CQ and check RBN, the NA skimmer received me from 10-24dB. But no answer from NA stations. Conditions are not bad, so please listen more for DX from EU. vy 73? Andy DL8LAS www.dl8las.de www.dl8las.com On Dienstag, 23 April, 2019 topband-request wrote: Send Topband mailing list submissions to ??? topband@contesting.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/topband or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? topband-requ...@contesting.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? topband-ow...@contesting.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Topband digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Lack of NA Activity on CW (Roger Kennedy) ? 2. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (lennart.michaels...@telia.com) ? 3. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (Peter Sundberg) ? 4. Re: Lack of NA Activity on CW (uy0zg) ? 5. Re: Fresnel Zone (Emir Memic) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:16:30 +0100 From: "Roger Kennedy" To: Subject: Topband: Lack of NA Activity on CW Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" I get that many stations only use FT8 these days (out of laziness?) . . . But there are plenty of Top Band DXers (like me) who would never ever use FT8 . . . but many of these people hardly ever come on the band ! It takes a pretty big setup to have a decent 160m DX station . . . what's the point in having invested all that time and money if the only time you ever come on the band is to work some DX-pedition?! Personally, what gives me a buzz is working ANY station on 160m more than a couple of thousand miles away. (it's the only band where t
Re: Topband: FT-8 vs CW
hi all- i hear a lot of moaning that there is not any cw...well quit moaning and call CQ for a while. do it often. not just listen . someone has to transmit and someone has to listen then answer,. it takes 2 for a QSO. I mean a real QSO more than sig report.like what we did when we were novices and later...the bands may just open to a new level of activity. 73 Renée, K6FSB ps- I am still working on fixing broken antennas/supports, last time did not even get a chance to use em before mother nature destroyed my skyhooks. pss Doug more than one of us echo part of the nursing home scenario...oh have another small glass for me. On 2017-10-25 01:26 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: Dear OMs and YLs, --//-- Not so many years in the future I may be confined to a nursing home (groan - better dead) then remote operation on two meters into a remote station may be my main enjoyment in life other than reading and hopefully my spouse. WSPR fascinates me still but not for DXCC purposes.DXCC is not of any real merit these days anyway.Still imagine you were limited to a city lot in Dublin; I might sing a different song. Peace to all and thank you almighty for having given me a fine hobby for all these many years. 73 Doug EI2CN PS Written under the duress of two glasses of Chianti. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: FT-8 vs CW
Dear OMs and YLs, I am an engineer thus one who has no right to complain about the advance in technology.This hobby must bring in new approaches if it is to survive.Many would say it is already doomed and they may sadly be right. Now this is not entirely to my liking but tough.Just completed building a Hi-Z eight circle for 160M only but there is not much activity these days on CW. Last year it was JT-65 but this year this previous mode is passé and it is FT9 that is predominating. I worked JT65 for a short time and found it interesting but am a CW man.If there is no CW then I may be one who just leaves. I well understand people wanting to get on TB and finding that for them at least the only way they will work Chile from EI is on FT-8.Let us all be realistic; DXCC is not nearly as hard to achieve now as it was in 1960 when KN4WQZ first got his license.We have better radios, the clusters, advance warning of DX stations via newsletters and such. There is no comparison to past difficulties. Then to top all of this off travel is relatively inexpensive and DXpeditions are common place. I would have been quicker to go digi-modes a few months ago but now it is becoming an issue for me.I am not sure that I want this change. So perhaps like Carnage's father who was a Damask Weaver I am doomed for the scrap heap to be supported by my son's paper route in my declining years after having emigrated from Scotland to the USA. Technology will not stop and things will evolve often faster than we goats like. I am really disgusted by lack of 160M activity the past month. However whatever is happening seems to be on FT-8. Not so many years in the future I may be confined to a nursing home (groan - better dead) then remote operation on two meters into a remote station may be my main enjoyment in life other than reading and hopefully my spouse. WSPR fascinates me still but not for DXCC purposes.DXCC is not of any real merit these days anyway.Still imagine you were limited to a city lot in Dublin; I might sing a different song. Peace to all and thank you almighty for having given me a fine hobby for all these many years. 73 Doug EI2CN PS Written under the duress of two glasses of Chianti. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
