Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Home Depot LED bulb interference.

2012-04-06 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
My calculations assume that the LED lamp conducted emissions are at the FCC
limit at a single frequency in the 160 meter band. This is not real world.

I'll buy a lamp and characterize the conducted emissions.

Dave WX7G
 On Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM, DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.com wrote:

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 From: DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.com
 Date: Apr 6, 2012 4:42 PM
 Subject: Re: Topband: Home Depot LED bulb interference.
 To: GeorgeWallner aa...@atlanticbb.net

 LED lamps no doubt comply with FCC conducted emissions. The noise is almost
 entirely differential mode. Think of a signal on an open wire t-line; it
 does not radiate (much).

 But, the asymmetry in the AC power system causes differential to
 common-mode conversion. Common-mode current on an open wire feedline
 radiates (a lot).

 The primary asymmetry I see is the neutral wire to earth ground. I ran a
 NEC sim of a simplified house AC power with feed wires to a power pole. The
 signal induced into a 160 meter dipole next door is S-8 from a single LED
 lamp at the FCC limit of 2 mV differential into 100 ohms.

 Disconnecting the AC earth ground wire drops the signal by 40 dB. Ferrites
 clamped onto the earth ground wire could help.

 This is crude and preliminary but is interesting as I'm an EMC design
 engineer as well as a ham.

 Dave WX7G
 On Apr 6, 2012 4:22 PM, GeorgeWallner aa...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

  On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
   Jim F. j_fit...@yahoo.com wrote:
  ...Since this bulb complies with
   part 15 of FCC rules
 
  It is marked to comply, but it may not. (Part 15
  compliance is self-certified. It would be interesting to
  test it against Part 15 requirements.
 
  I believe that one of our potential defences against the
  worst offenders is to bring the attention of retailers to
  the pontial risks of selling non FCC comliant products.
  The more cautious they get the better off we will be.
  Returning it to the retailer is a good start in that
  direction!
 
  George
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Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Home Depot LED bulb interference.

2012-04-06 Thread GeorgeWallner
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:24:25 -0600
  DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.com wrote:
 My calculations assume that the LED lamp conducted 
emissions are at the FCC
 limit at a single frequency in the 160 meter band.

What made me sceptical was the original posting mentioning 
that the bulb interfered with an FM broadcast.

73,

George
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