Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, ex UB5WE), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone) DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Agree, Tim. No need for bragging by contributors. The flip side is there should be no complaining by those who don't (or even those who do!). - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:44 AM To: Doug Renwick Cc: Victor Goncharsky; Garry Shapiro; topBand List Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the Marshall Plan for DX? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a kickstarter for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Tim those are kind thoughts. But let me ask 'how much do you contribute in $. As those who watch our governments see it is easy for them to give away other people's money. EU economic woes are self inflicted! How many times does EU need to be bailed out? Forever? I am not American but I appreciate a lot, not all, of the sacrifices they have made. Doug -Original Message- I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the Marshall Plan for DX? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a kickstarter for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net wrote: The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong with the Marshall Plan for DX? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using their language as a kickstarter for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we don't have to brag about it.) Tim N3QE On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net wrote: The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Larry: The number of US hams isn't the issue, it's the number of DXers working each DXpedition. And the better number to look at is uniques. My Dayton presentation is here: www.ncdxf.org/misc/N1DG-DXpeditioncosts-Dayton2012.ppt My NCDXF article is here on pages 5 through 7 : http://www.ncdxf.org/newsletters/2012-AUTUMN.pdf Since I did the research, NCDXF has received updated information from its grantees that has not changed the results presented. Don N1DG At 09:11 AM 2/7/2015, Larry wrote: The last time I saw numbers several years ago the US had something like 530,000 licensed hams which I think was more than all other countries together (or close to it). No way to know what percentage are DXers and possibly concerned with working a particular DXpedition. However, it might be more relevant if the percentages of financing were percentages of DXers that contributed. It may be still skewed of course. The percentage of QSOs doesn't really account for propagation or distance to between the DXpedition site and DXer QTH. I have been on the radio at times where working the next county (let alone another country) was an amazing feat on HF but I have also been on at times where you could work just about any place in the world at the same time. When I have operated from XV openings to the East Coast of the US have not been very often and are usually of short duration. Openings to South America even fewer and more challenging. Openings to Europe are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor Goncharsky' ; ga...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. ðÑÔÎÉÃÁ, 06 ÆÅ×ÒÁÌÑ 2015, 18:27 -08:00 ÏÔ Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, C92DG, /VP8O, /KH4, / KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V /A7 Webmaster: VP8O, K4M, BS7H, 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI 2006 inductee into the CQ Magazine DX Hall of Fame Member: NCDXF, CWops, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC AIM SKYPE: aurumtel Please consider the environment before printing this email _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
The last time I saw numbers several years ago the US had something like 530,000 licensed hams which I think was more than all other countries together (or close to it). No way to know what percentage are DXers and possibly concerned with working a particular DXpedition. However, it might be more relevant if the percentages of financing were percentages of DXers that contributed. It may be still skewed of course. The percentage of QSOs doesn't really account for propagation or distance to between the DXpedition site and DXer QTH. I have been on the radio at times where working the next county (let alone another country) was an amazing feat on HF but I have also been on at times where you could work just about any place in the world at the same time. When I have operated from XV openings to the East Coast of the US have not been very often and are usually of short duration. Openings to South America even fewer and more challenging. Openings to Europe are usually everyday. It certainly has an effect on where the QSOs are made. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 8:36 AM To: 'Victor Goncharsky' ; ga...@ni6t.com ; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group should contribute more than what they are presently doing. And he is right. Doug -Original Message- Garry, In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of the ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun. This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain expedition. You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is more equal then the others. I think this is completely wrong. In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your theory, have paid for their free lunch? I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come. Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com: Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Dado, When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film? When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do you complain when the car is not perfect? When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food? If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person and deserve such consideration. ;-) It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you, and thank you. Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular bumper sticker in the US which said: Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free. That is American slang, but I think you can figure it out. Garry, NI6T On 2/6/2015 3:55 AM, Dragoslav Balaban wrote: It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. 73, Jim K9YC Funny that there is no comment abt this??? I also don't think something like that deserve any comment, but cant hold... I suggest that for those, who support this Opinion, that DX Mart or DX Supermarket should be started, so only one who pay get QSO, its a true HAM spirit. and then pay again for QSL... Maybe expedition even need not to go to the entity at all, why make cost, waste time and money, etc??? also, who pay more should get QSO first, and/or more QSO, maye to charge by Band / Mode... and maybe, as Premium service, no need to work DX Exped at all, QSO would be entered in LOG automatically, and VIP QSL send, plus LoTW confirmation and eQSL as free Bonus I promise, will not call such Expedition ever, and I will not be angry and make DQRM for sure... I also promise, I will not charge for any QSO with E74AW, or QSL , except usual practice, and will work as good DX Operating practice demand, mean, will not wait for daylight in NA, to call NA, and will not call EU in my SR when is time to work NA, or will not work EU when is JA SR etc... Its just my humble opinion, I do not ask anyone to agree or disagree with me... And Im not angry to anyone, ... gl to all who think this kind of HAM radio should be 73 dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Basically the same conclusion. Typically NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: mailto:topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. 73, Jim K9YC Funny that there is no comment abt this??? I also don't think something like that deserve any comment, but cant hold... I suggest that for those, who support this Opinion, that DX Mart or DX Supermarket should be started, so only one who pay get QSO, its a true HAM spirit. and then pay again for QSL... Maybe expedition even need not to go to the entity at all, why make cost, waste time and money, etc??? also, who pay more should get QSO first, and/or more QSO, maye to charge by Band / Mode... and maybe, as Premium service, no need to work DX Exped at all, QSO would be entered in LOG automatically, and VIP QSL send, plus LoTW confirmation and eQSL as free Bonus I promise, will not call such Expedition ever, and I will not be angry and make DQRM for sure... I also promise, I will not charge for any QSO with E74AW, or QSL , except usual practice, and will work as good DX Operating practice demand, mean, will not wait for daylight in NA, to call NA, and will not call EU in my SR when is time to work NA, or will not work EU when is JA SR etc... Its just my humble opinion, I do not ask anyone to agree or disagree with me... And Im not angry to anyone, ... gl to all who think this kind of HAM radio should be 73 dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Basically the same conclusion. Typically NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: mailto:topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
Dado Hi:) Jim is right. Whenever we talk about figures/numbers, they have different meaning from ethics. Regarding ethics, jeez that is such a broad subject, that broad, that i would not dare to start it I understand your concern, but this is utterly wrong to expect that someone would pay my pleasureas i said previously, there are no free lunches... So we better stop brag about it, and contribute to group of brave operators and it's supporters... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: Dragoslav Balaban d...@prijedor.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. 73, Jim K9YC Funny that there is no comment abt this??? I also don't think something like that deserve any comment, but cant hold... I suggest that for those, who support this Opinion, that DX Mart or DX Supermarket should be started, so only one who pay get QSO, its a true HAM spirit. and then pay again for QSL... Maybe expedition even need not to go to the entity at all, why make cost, waste time and money, etc??? also, who pay more should get QSO first, and/or more QSO, maye to charge by Band / Mode... and maybe, as Premium service, no need to work DX Exped at all, QSO would be entered in LOG automatically, and VIP QSL send, plus LoTW confirmation and eQSL as free Bonus I promise, will not call such Expedition ever, and I will not be angry and make DQRM for sure... I also promise, I will not charge for any QSO with E74AW, or QSL , except usual practice, and will work as good DX Operating practice demand, mean, will not wait for daylight in NA, to call NA, and will not call EU in my SR when is time to work NA, or will not work EU when is JA SR etc... Its just my humble opinion, I do not ask anyone to agree or disagree with me... And Im not angry to anyone, ... gl to all who think this kind of HAM radio should be 73 dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Basically the same conclusion. Typically NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: mailto:topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
