Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Peter Sundberg]

I've always used an aluminium pole (actually part 
of an old 20m yagi reflector element) for my K9AY loops, works very well.


A short wooden pole driven into the ground holds 
the aluminum pole and the loops act as an excellent guying system.


Strong and totally maintenance free.

73
Peter SM2CEW


At 16:35 2019-02-20, Wes wrote:
I suppose it depends on where you are, but in 
Arizona, those things don't last in the 
sun.  You are soon left with a column of glass 
fibers that best be handled with gloves as you 
put them in the trash can.  Insidious stuff. 
Wes  N7WS On 2/20/2019 7:34 AM, N1SV wrote: > 
Look around for the fiberglass stackable army 
surplus mast sections either at a local flea 
market or online.  Think they come in 4-foot 
sections. That’s what I’ve been using to 
support my K9AY loop for years. > > Les, N1SV > 
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Bill Cromwell]

Thanks for the tip. I have those. I now have plans to paint them just to 
keep the sun off them. Wait..it looks like they are already painted camo.


73,

Bill  KU8H


On 2/20/19 11:35 AM, Wes wrote:
I suppose it depends on where you are, but in Arizona, those things 
don't last in the sun.  You are soon left with a column of glass fibers 
that best be handled with gloves as you put them in the trash can.  
Insidious stuff.


Wes  N7WS

On 2/20/2019 7:34 AM, N1SV wrote:
Look around for the fiberglass stackable army surplus mast sections 
either at a local flea market or online.  Think they come in 4-foot 
sections. That’s what I’ve been using to support my K9AY loop for years.


Les, N1SV



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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

These and the surplus masts could be painted with marine grade paint.  
Those with SteppIR antennas with their tubes have been doing it for 
years.  You can use other non conductive paint for extra protection.


W0MU

On 2/20/2019 10:00 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote:

I went to H ome D epot and bought a 23 ft extendable paint extens ion pole. 
It's been up for 8 years so far. The K9AY guys it just fine. Cheap, easy and 
available.

Kevin K3OX
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Wayne Kline]

Watching this thread and agree the push up fiberglass tubes are satisfactory.  
But being a scronger  And  most two way RF based comunacation are a like Dodo 
birds

I scored a  broken RF wise  Motorla  Station master. And a set of mounts….FREE 
for the asking .  24 ft.   long , I had to  remove the inside antennas to have 
the noneconductive support tube. Was  easly mounted  on s 4X4 mounted on a  
X frame made of 2X4’s

( had to remove in the summer to mow )



Call me frugal



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From: Topband  on behalf of Wes 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:53:55 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

https://mgs4u.com/fiberglass-push-up-masts/

On 2/20/2019 7:15 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass pole to
> support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and source have fled
> my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much more expensive (and
> probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd appreciate any current
> suggestions.
>

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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Russ Tobolic via Topband]

 Chuck;
The 1" OD was cut to get 2 pcs @ 2' each for joining the 3-1.25" OD.  The 
remaining 4' was used at the top.  I slit the bigger poles and used SS hose 
clamps.  You can buy the poles with the slits but they are more expensive.  I 
notice that N7WS mentioned a problem with fiberglass in the sun.  We certainly 
don't have that problem here especially in winter and I take down my loops in 
the summer to mow the grass.  I suppose you could paint the poles to protect 
them somewhat from the UV.
Russ N3CO
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:52:12 AM EST, Chuck Dietz 
 wrote:  
 
 Was the 1" OD cut into 2 pieces 4' long? One sticking out the top and the 
other inside the 1.25" OD at the top joint to stiffen it? Or 2' each to stiffen 
both joints?
Chuck W5PR
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:45 AM Russ Tobolic via Topband 
 wrote:

 I use 3 pcs of DXE-FT1250-8 (8',  1.25" OD) and 1 pc DXE-FT1000-8 (8',  1" 
OD).  I cut the 1" OD into 2 pcs 2' long which nested inside the larger tubing 
and used the rest to stick out the top.  The total height is 25' for my K9AY 
loops.  I did try the cheaper route with similar dia PVC but it flopped around 
too much and was not easy to handle.  The fiberglass is stiffer.  With a set of 
dacron rope guys in the middle and the loop for top guys it has been very 
stable up against snow, wind and ice storms here in Michigan.
Russ, N3CO
    On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:27:38 AM EST, N4ZR  
wrote:  

 Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass 
pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and 
source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much 
more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd 
appreciate any current suggestions.

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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[kolson]

I went to H ome D epot and bought a 23 ft extendable paint extens ion pole. 
It's been up for 8 years so far. The K9AY guys it just fine. Cheap, easy and 
available. 

Kevin K3OX 
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Wes]

https://mgs4u.com/fiberglass-push-up-masts/

On 2/20/2019 7:15 AM, N4ZR wrote:
Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass pole to 
support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and source have fled 
my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much more expensive (and 
probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd appreciate any current 
suggestions.




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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Chuck Dietz]

Was the 1" OD cut into 2 pieces 4' long? One sticking out the top and the
other inside the 1.25" OD at the top joint to stiffen it? Or 2' each to
stiffen both joints?

Chuck W5PR

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:45 AM Russ Tobolic via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

>  I use 3 pcs of DXE-FT1250-8 (8',  1.25" OD) and 1 pc DXE-FT1000-8 (8',
> 1" OD).  I cut the 1" OD into 2 pcs 2' long which nested inside the larger
> tubing and used the rest to stick out the top.  The total height is 25' for
> my K9AY loops.  I did try the cheaper route with similar dia PVC but it
> flopped around too much and was not easy to handle.  The fiberglass is
> stiffer.  With a set of dacron rope guys in the middle and the loop for top
> guys it has been very stable up against snow, wind and ice storms here in
> Michigan.
> Russ, N3CO
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:27:38 AM EST, N4ZR <
> n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass
> pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and
> source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much
> more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd
> appreciate any current suggestions.
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Russ Tobolic via Topband]

 I use 3 pcs of DXE-FT1250-8 (8',  1.25" OD) and 1 pc DXE-FT1000-8 (8',  1" 
OD).  I cut the 1" OD into 2 pcs 2' long which nested inside the larger tubing 
and used the rest to stick out the top.  The total height is 25' for my K9AY 
loops.  I did try the cheaper route with similar dia PVC but it flopped around 
too much and was not easy to handle.  The fiberglass is stiffer.  With a set of 
dacron rope guys in the middle and the loop for top guys it has been very 
stable up against snow, wind and ice storms here in Michigan.
Russ, N3CO
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:27:38 AM EST, N4ZR  
wrote:  
 
 Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass 
pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and 
source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much 
more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd 
appreciate any current suggestions.

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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Wes]

I suppose it depends on where you are, but in Arizona, those things don't last 
in the sun.  You are soon left with a column of glass fibers that best be 
handled with gloves as you put them in the trash can.  Insidious stuff.


Wes  N7WS

On 2/20/2019 7:34 AM, N1SV wrote:

Look around for the fiberglass stackable army surplus mast sections either at a 
local flea market or online.  Think they come in 4-foot sections. That’s what 
I’ve been using to support my K9AY loop for years.

Les, N1SV



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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Larry]

I've used 3 inch PVC pipe at the bottom with 2.5 inch above to make a 
supporting pole. I used the loop to guy it at the top and just rope guys 
at the middle. Not push up but it works.


73, Larry W6NWS

On 2/20/2019 10:33 AM, Arthur Delibert wrote:

Not sure how much height you need for a K9AY loop.  I've used 16-foot 
Shakespeare fiberglass poles for various antenna supports.  Amazon has 10, 13, 
16 and 20-foot versions.  (Search for Shakespeare fiberglass wonderpole.)  
Whatever length you buy, note that you probably shouldn't count on the last 
extendible segment, by itself,  as part of the length you need, because it's 
too flexible to support much weight; if you need that extra length, Ducktape a 
small-diameter dowel onto the last two sections to give that last section some 
extra stiffness.

Art Delibert, KB3FJO


From: Topband  on behalf of N4ZR 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:15 AM
To: topband reflector
Subject: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass
pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and
source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much
more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd
appreciate any current suggestions.

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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Alan Swinger]

I use a telescoping 25 ft push up mast for mine - has enough excess height and 
have used for many yrs. DX Eng has a range of masts that should work. - Alan 
K9MBQ


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>From: Arthur Delibert 
>Sent: Feb 20, 2019 10:33 AM
>To: N4ZR , topband reflector 
>Subject: Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop
>
>Not sure how much height you need for a K9AY loop.  I've used 16-foot 
>Shakespeare fiberglass poles for various antenna supports.  Amazon has 10, 13, 
>16 and 20-foot versions.  (Search for Shakespeare fiberglass wonderpole.)  
>Whatever length you buy, note that you probably shouldn't count on the last 
>extendible segment, by itself,  as part of the length you need, because it's 
>too flexible to support much weight; if you need that extra length, Ducktape a 
>small-diameter dowel onto the last two sections to give that last section some 
>extra stiffness.
>
>Art Delibert, KB3FJO
>
>
>From: Topband  on behalf of N4ZR 
>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:15 AM
>To: topband reflector
>Subject: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop
>
>Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass
>pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and
>source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much
>more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd
>appreciate any current suggestions.
>
>--
>
>73, Pete N4ZR
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Arthur Delibert]

Not sure how much height you need for a K9AY loop.  I've used 16-foot 
Shakespeare fiberglass poles for various antenna supports.  Amazon has 10, 13, 
16 and 20-foot versions.  (Search for Shakespeare fiberglass wonderpole.)  
Whatever length you buy, note that you probably shouldn't count on the last 
extendible segment, by itself,  as part of the length you need, because it's 
too flexible to support much weight; if you need that extra length, Ducktape a 
small-diameter dowel onto the last two sections to give that last section some 
extra stiffness.

Art Delibert, KB3FJO


From: Topband  on behalf of N4ZR 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:15 AM
To: topband reflector
Subject: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass
pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and
source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much
more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd
appreciate any current suggestions.

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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[Petr Ourednik]

Hi Pete,

i am using for years the Extra Heavy duty 10m fiberglass pole from DX-Wire (the 
only GRP Mast "EXTRA" 
heavy duty "strongest" mast with 18mm tip section!) and I can recommend it as 
the strongest pole
I ever used. It has nothing to do with tiny poles available on the market... 

http://www.dx-wire.de/lng/en/fiberglass-poles/fiberglass-poles/

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On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, at 3:43 PM, N1SV wrote:
> Look around for the fiberglass stackable army surplus mast sections 
> either at a local flea market or online.  Think they come in 4-foot 
> sections. That’s what I’ve been using to support my K9AY loop for years.
> 
> Les, N1SV 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 20, 2019, at 9:15 AM, N4ZR  wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass pole 
> > to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and source have 
> > fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much more expensive 
> > (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd appreciate any 
> > current suggestions.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> > at , now
> > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
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Re: Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[N1SV]

Look around for the fiberglass stackable army surplus mast sections either at a 
local flea market or online.  Think they come in 4-foot sections. That’s what 
I’ve been using to support my K9AY loop for years.

Les, N1SV 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 9:15 AM, N4ZR  wrote:
> 
> Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass pole to 
> support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and source have fled 
> my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much more expensive (and 
> probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd appreciate any current 
> suggestions.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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Topband: Satisfactory fiberglass pole for K9AY loop

[N4ZR]

Maybe 15-20 years ago, I used a very inexpensive push-up  fiberglass 
pole to support the loops of a K9AY loop system.  Alas. details and 
source have fled my brain, and much of what I've studied on line is much 
more expensive (and probably much sturdier) that what I had then. I'd 
appreciate any current suggestions.


--

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