Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Deliberate QRM and other bad behavior has been on 160 ever since it was opened to all frequencies, 1500W (and a lot more by some), and 160 included on every rig and amp. There are very few who operate only 160M and the rest simply brought their higher bands behavior with them. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Jim F. j_fit...@yahoo.com To: topband@contesting.com; Larry w6...@arrl.net Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band As an avid QRPer I find that QRM is a fact of life almost never intentional, but frequently occuring. Also a fact of life is that there are so many considerate and patient operators willing to stand by and to listen for and try to copy weak signals.. BTW, VE1ZZ here in NH has an absolutely outstanding signal. jim / W1FMR --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band To: topband@contesting.com Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:42 PM Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4755 - Release Date: 01/20/12 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 08:07 -0500, W2PM wrote: But as someone else mentioned, if a station has a signal problem, and despite how beloved some of our colleagues are I have heard nasty stuff a number of times, there is nothing wrong mentioning it and people shouldn't be upset provided it's not said unconstructively. Sent from my iPad As a matter of fact... We have that 'uselss' T hanging out there on the end of RST (for CW ops). One year while on the way to Field Day a component lead broke in the bias supply filter in my transmitter. My first two contacts gave me a zero for the T and I retired the transmitter for the weekend. We really should mention it if we observe a problem. Hams should not feel offended if they get a report like that and reporters should be matter of fact about it and not insulting. My experiences with incidents like that are much better than what has been described in this thread. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
I was taught to contact the station personally and notify him of the problem tactfully. Don't broadcast your gripe. Try to contact him (or her) and send an accurate signal report, such as 579K. Remember, K indicates clicks and C chirp. Contact him via an email or phone call and notify him of the issue. I remember starting as a novice in the late sixties. We were crystal controlled and we had to manually tune our rigs and chirps were common. I started out with an Ameco AC1 which was a MOPA (master oscilattor power amplifier) rig. I received an post card form an OO (official observer) notifying be of my chirp and offering assistance if necessary. I remember the note started off with something to the effect that This is not a violation notice or a 'bawling out, but one ham helping another fellow ham. I was impressed with the professionalism. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Bill Cromwell wrcromw...@gmail.com To: W2PM w...@aol.com Cc: topband@contesting.com, wa3...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:17:34 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 08:07 -0500, W2PM wrote: But as someone else mentioned, if a station has a signal problem, and despite how beloved some of our colleagues are I have heard nasty stuff a number of times, there is nothing wrong mentioning it and people shouldn't be upset provided it's not said unconstructively. Sent from my iPad ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
On 01/21/2012 12:28 AM, Greg wrote: answered...the dx station says QRZ AD and you hear something like GH, BGN, or RJ and many others calling, calling, calling not because they can't hear...because they are too self-centered and inconsiderate to wait and let AD make his QSO and finish. It's disgusting behavior. What can we do? I have actually heard a dxpedition put some particularly badly behaving ham on their own little blacklist, telling him off on the air and promising to never put him in their log because of bad behaviour. After that, the badly behaving station disappeared, and several other stations mysteriously started behaving... -- All rights reversed. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
answered...the dx station says QRZ AD and you hear something like GH, BGN, or RJ and many others calling, calling, calling not because they can't hear...because they are too self-centered and inconsiderate to wait and let AD make his QSO and finish. It's disgusting behavior. What can we do? The dreaded ? sent by the DX station is an invitation for mayhem. I agree with you. If the DX station is sending a partial call, followed by ?, all stations not remotely resembling the partial should stand by. Hard to believe this even needs to be discussed. Paul, W9AC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
My first QSL was from the FCC. After two weeks of calling CQ on 40 with a bread boarded 6aq5 rig to no avail, FCC sent a postcard asking why as a Novice I was 20. I wound tank coil wrong and second harmonic got their attention. That was somewhat discreet but I hung it up in shack proudly as the monitor station was DX up in Canandaigua,, NY only miles from the border of exotic VE3 land. Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:40, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: I was taught to contact the station personally and notify him of the problem tactfully. Don't broadcast your gripe. Try to contact him (or her) and send an accurate signal report, such as 579K. Remember, K indicates clicks and C chirp. Contact him via an email or phone call and notify him of the issue. I remember starting as a novice in the late sixties. We were crystal controlled and we had to manually tune our rigs and chirps were common. I started out with an Ameco AC1 which was a MOPA (master oscilattor power amplifier) rig. I received an post card form an OO (official observer) notifying be of my chirp and offering assistance if necessary. I remember the note started off with something to the effect that This is not a violation notice or a 'bawling out, but one ham helping another fellow ham. I was impressed with the professionalism. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Bill Cromwell wrcromw...@gmail.com To: W2PM w...@aol.com Cc: topband@contesting.com, wa3...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:17:34 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 08:07 -0500, W2PM wrote: But as someone else mentioned, if a station has a signal problem, and despite how beloved some of our colleagues are I have heard nasty stuff a number of times, there is nothing wrong mentioning it and people shouldn't be upset provided it's not said unconstructively. Sent from my iPad ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
I've given out a few 598C or 557AC rst's over the years. 30 yrs ago, 95% of ops knew exactly what I was telling them. Sadly, I think it must be closer to 5% that know what I am telling them nowadays. VE9AA Mike, Coreen Corey Smith 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge NB Canada E6L 1T1 - Original Message - From: Bill Cromwell To: W2PM Cc: topband@contesting.com ; wa3...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 08:07 -0500, W2PM wrote: But as someone else mentioned, if a station has a signal problem, and despite how beloved some of our colleagues are I have heard nasty stuff a number of times, there is nothing wrong mentioning it and people shouldn't be upset provided it's not said unconstructively. Sent from my iPad As a matter of fact... We have that 'uselss' T hanging out there on the end of RST (for CW ops). One year while on the way to Field Day a component lead broke in the bias supply filter in my transmitter. My first two contacts gave me a zero for the T and I retired the transmitter for the weekend. We really should mention it if we observe a problem. Hams should not feel offended if they get a report like that and reporters should be matter of fact about it and not insulting. My experiences with incidents like that are much better than what has been described in this thread. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4156 - Release Date: 01/20/12 19:34:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
By the way, a weird thing happened to me the other week. (rare for 160m that is) Well, not so weird, as maybe insulting.I was working a bunch of Europe on 160m, spotting them as I went up and down the band. I ended up calling TA3D a bunch of times @ his sunrise and never made it. Eventually he QRT'd and I got called on TA3D's ex-frequency by a UA4 somebody who I later found out was running 100w and he was happy for his first Canada on 160m.anyways, a very small pileup started with LY, YL, UA4's, OH, SM's etc. calling me after TA3D had left. Some guy kept QRMing me with the dit-machinewe've all had it happen to usanyways, this guy eventually kept asking me if I was a LID and spotting my own pileup or something like that. QSB and QRN took him out a bit at times. At first I thought he was asking me to QSY, but he definately was asking if I was a LID, and something about spotting. I was so PO'd (like red in the face upset) I stopped the mini pileup, and turned the rig off. (If you are reading this, you won !) Figured I just didn't need the aggravation. It's not too often I get upset about ham radio. In fact it's very very rare. It's a hobby I derive great enjoyment out of. I could miss a rare chance at a JA on 6m and I wouldn't get upset, ya know? I could lose an all weekend contest by 1000 pts and still not get upset. I could wait in a pileup for an hour and not be upset. But this This just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know what problem folks have about DX spotting. By the way, I never spotted myself, nor any of the DX I was working once I had the old TA3D freqonly before, as I was gg up and down the band. There were almost no spots coming out of NA at the time, even though 160 was in fine shape. Only heard a few guys on from NA and propagation was very very good at the time. Even had a K7...think it was K7ZV thank me on the Lowband ON4KST chat site thank me for the spots and he had nabbed a couple new ones off my spots. Kinda makes me feel good, but the terrible words from the unknown guy made me feel like I should take up stamp collecting. Less aggravation ! VE9AA Mike, Coreen Corey Smith 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge NB Canada E6L 1T1 - Original Message - From: Larry To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4154 - Release Date: 01/19/12 19:34:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Im always temped to post the calls of the (many) pile up lids on the cluster and have seen people do it only to incite a flame contest. I also think fat headed lids are so dense it wouldn't change their behavior. But I really wish the damn DX station would work them to get rid of them THEN ADD not in log. Maybe a new Q signal for same. QLD. Not in log because of lid behavior. Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2012, at 0:28, Greg n...@cableone.net wrote: Sure sometimes there is some inadvertent QRM because of call timing or poor reception ...but too often it is just plain lack of consideration and rudeness -- seems to be a sign of the times. What is becoming of some people...who call in the pile-ups continuously...on top of stations that are answered...the dx station says QRZ AD and you hear something like GH, BGN, or RJ and many others calling, calling, calling not because they can't hear...because they are too self-centered and inconsiderate to wait and let AD make his QSO and finish. It's disgusting behavior. What can we do? I'm for posting calls on a website of the LIDS for all to see...Enough peer pressure and maybe they'll get the idea. Why let a few ruin it for the rest? If you know people who do it, call them on it? Step up and let's keep 160 as W1BB would have liked -- the gentleman's band. 73 de Greg-N4CC -Original Message- From: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim F. Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:18 PM To: topband@contesting.com; Larry Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band As an avid QRPer I find that QRM is a fact of life almost never intentional, but frequently occuring. Also a fact of life is that there are so many considerate and patient operators willing to stand by and to listen for and try to copy weak signals.. BTW, VE1ZZ here in NH has an absolutely outstanding signal. jim / W1FMR --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band To: topband@contesting.com Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:42 PM Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
On 2012-01-21, at 6:32 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, VE1ZZ has a terrible signal with key clicks out to over1kHz from his carrier frequency. Perhaps the other chap had a signal he was trying to copy wiped out by ZZ and decided to get even. Hi Roger, Sez who...? Jack's keying may well be a tad on the hard side, but his signal HARDLY emits ...key clicks out to over 1 KHz from his carrier frequency, IMHO...and I've copied him at some 30 db.+ over S-9 here, too, so if he was, indeed, clicky, I think I'd know... There seems to be a clique of anal Kilocycle Klix Kops on 160-meters that is obsessed with key clicks, is quick to condemn---much too quick to condemn, IMHO---guys like Jack. Far be it for me to suggest that you're a part of that elite group, Roger, but I know from personal experience that ...perception is reality, and if so-called tribal knowledge on the band has it that Jack is guilty, then he's been effectively branded as such for life. It's not fair, it's not becoming of anyone who aspires to be one in a league of gentlemen to criticize one's fellows in a medium to which said fellow may not be a party of, and thus unable to defend himself...I know: I've been there myself personally, and I did NOT like it. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
There is hardly a station closer to Jack on 160m than me. ( a couple VE1's/VY2's maybe) and yes, I'll be one of the first to admit his keying is indeed a bit hard, but I wouldn't say he's especially wide. He's about 60/9 here, but I have never thought he was QRMing me by his keying. (if anything, just brute signal strength probably more than anything) I've heard much worse coming out of other parts of Eastern NA with stations that are much weaker and take out segments of the band with horrendous key clicks or problems with their amplifiers. VE9AA Mike, Coreen Corey Smith 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge NB Canada E6L 1T1 - Original Message - From: Eddy Swynar To: Roger D Johnson Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band On 2012-01-21, at 6:32 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, VE1ZZ has a terrible signal with key clicks out to over1kHz from his carrier frequency. Perhaps the other chap had a signal he was trying to copy wiped out by ZZ and decided to get even. Hi Roger, Sez who...? Jack's keying may well be a tad on the hard side, but his signal HARDLY emits ...key clicks out to over 1 KHz from his carrier frequency, IMHO...and I've copied him at some 30 db.+ over S-9 here, too, so if he was, indeed, clicky, I think I'd know... There seems to be a clique of anal Kilocycle Klix Kops on 160-meters that is obsessed with key clicks, is quick to condemn---much too quick to condemn, IMHO---guys like Jack. Far be it for me to suggest that you're a part of that elite group, Roger, but I know from personal experience that ...perception is reality, and if so-called tribal knowledge on the band has it that Jack is guilty, then he's been effectively branded as such for life. It's not fair, it's not becoming of anyone who aspires to be one in a league of gentlemen to criticize one's fellows in a medium to which said fellow may not be a party of, and thus unable to defend himself...I know: I've been there myself personally, and I did NOT like it. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4154 - Release Date: 01/19/12 19:34:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Mike, I'm not a psychologist but after 40 years as an active radio amateur, 27 of which were directly involved in national and international amateur radio organizations, I learned that once a person enters the solitude of a dark corner of a room in their home Dr. Jekyll turns into Mr. Hyde with a radio and keyboard in front of him with access to the world, especially if anonymity is available. They're different people in public (well, most of them!) I don't understand it, I don't like it, and it is sad but sometimes just walking away for bit and taking a breath is the best response. 73 Joel W5ZN On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike Coreen Smith ve...@nbnet.nb.cawrote: By the way, a weird thing happened to me the other week. (rare for 160m that is) Well, not so weird, as maybe insulting.I was working a bunch of Europe on 160m, spotting them as I went up and down the band. I ended up calling TA3D a bunch of times @ his sunrise and never made it. Eventually he QRT'd and I got called on TA3D's ex-frequency by a UA4 somebody who I later found out was running 100w and he was happy for his first Canada on 160m.anyways, a very small pileup started with LY, YL, UA4's, OH, SM's etc. calling me after TA3D had left. Some guy kept QRMing me with the dit-machinewe've all had it happen to usanyways, this guy eventually kept asking me if I was a LID and spotting my own pileup or something like that. QSB and QRN took him out a bit at times. At first I thought he was asking me to QSY, but he definately was asking if I was a LID, and something about spotting. I was so PO'd (like red in the face upset) I stopped the mini pileup, and turned the rig off. (If you are reading this, you won !) Figured I just didn't need the aggravation. It's not too often I get upset about ham radio. In fact it's very very rare. It's a hobby I derive great enjoyment out of. I could miss a rare chance at a JA on 6m and I wouldn't get upset, ya know? I could lose an all weekend contest by 1000 pts and still not get upset. I could wait in a pileup for an hour and not be upset. But this This just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know what problem folks have about DX spotting. By the way, I never spotted myself, nor any of the DX I was working once I had the old TA3D freqonly before, as I was gg up and down the band. There were almost no spots coming out of NA at the time, even though 160 was in fine shape. Only heard a few guys on from NA and propagation was very very good at the time. Even had a K7...think it was K7ZV thank me on the Lowband ON4KST chat site thank me for the spots and he had nabbed a couple new ones off my spots. Kinda makes me feel good, but the terrible words from the unknown guy made me feel like I should take up stamp collecting. Less aggravation ! VE9AA Mike, Coreen Corey Smith 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge NB Canada E6L 1T1 - Original Message - From: Larry To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4154 - Release Date: 01/19/12 19:34
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:07:39 -0500 Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca wrote: Unfortunately, VE1ZZ has a terrible signal with key clicks out to over1kHz Hi Roger, Sez who...? Jack's keying may well be a tad on the hard side, but his signal HARDLY emits ...key clicks out to over 1 KHz G'day Gentlemen, I don't think it is branding when pointing out a problem with someone's signal. It happens to all of us and we need to know when our signal is not right. N4IS called me once that I had two weak spurs about 3 kHz from my carrier. I could not detect them at all on my second RX, or see them on my spectrum analyzer. We started troubleshooting and soon found the problem: two burned out resistors in the K3's PA. (Resistors in the feedback loop can burn out and cuase the bias circuit to oscillate -- K3 owners please be aware!) Another time, I was really insenced at this strong station with very storng clicky signals, just to find out that I did not have my AGC set correctly and the clix were generated in my own RX! Ooops! Good that I checked first before making a comment. I have also heard, however, during a contest, a station with strong clicks he normally did not have. Deliberate? Perhaps to keep his running frequency clean? Perhaps he has just turned his drive a tad too high in the excitement. Pointing the clix out to him should not hurt his feelings, I recon. We get all kinds of reasons for poor signals and the sooner we let each other know the better. The band is a precious and limited resource, we need to keep it clean. I sure will not be upset if somebody lets me know! Of course, intentional jamming, that is an entirely different subject, but... 73, George, AA7JV ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Hi, I am not and will never be a BIG player on 160...my antenna farm is more like a flower pot! I can hear much better than I can transmit..the opposite of an alligator. So I listen a lot more than send..even if that isn't my intent ;) I think I heard what the original poster was talking about. I was trying to get the DX callsign after his initial transmission but that machine gun caller just plain wiped him out. My own take was that guy isn't very bright. How is he ever going to work the DX if he doesn't stop some day to listen? I moved on down the band but didn't turn my radio off. Once upon a time I had about my second or third QSO as a novice in the 40 meter novice band late at night - with two watts of blazing QRP. I had found a tiny hole between SW broadcast stations. I chatted slowly with the other station for about twenty minutes or so. The instant that we both signed somebody else jumped right in with a CQ and there was a pileup on him! The point is..all those hams waited until the slow, low power station finished. I think there are still many more hams like that than the impatient pigs (no point coddling them). That's why the rude, crude hogs stand out so much. Most of the QRM I hear doesn't seem to be intentional QRM to me. The incident that I heard was intentional QRM or some ham who shouldn't have been bright enough to pass the easiest of exams. There isn't a lot we can do about that. Just try to avoid stepping in that and getting it all over your shoes. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Jack's keying may well be a tad on the hard side, but his signal HARDLY emits ...key clicks out to over 1 KHz from his carrier frequency, IMHO...and I've copied him at some 30 db.+ over S-9 here, too, so if he was, indeed, clicky, I think I'd know... Many receivers (I try to indict DSP rigs below but really pure analog mulitconversion receivers can show this too) can have AGC pumping causing perceived clicks, especially when the incoming signal is in the roofing filter's passband but outside the later tighter filters passband. If everything inside the AGC chain were perfectly linear you'd think this could be remedied by going to slow AGC, but no, for very loud signals with most AGC chains there is still a fast response/decay component even at slow AGC settings. Turning RF gain down all the way helps. Attenuator helps. Turning off AGC helps. Someday they will do a good job putting forward AGC into DSP radios. I swear that almost all the parts are in a DSP radio already. Tim N3QE ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Geee guys, I would be sorry I even made the original post except that no matter how bad a stations signal is technically that is no reason to intentionally jam him. It is just plain stupid you will get found out sooner or later because if you to it once you will feel free to do it again when someone ticks you off. Just poor behavior and even worse attitude. Besides with my bad ears I probably couldnt tell if anyone had key clicks or not... Jim WA3MEJ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
As an avid QRPer I find that QRM is a fact of life almost never intentional, but frequently occuring. Also a fact of life is that there are so many considerate and patient operators willing to stand by and to listen for and try to copy weak signals.. BTW, VE1ZZ here in NH has an absolutely outstanding signal. jim / W1FMR --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band To: topband@contesting.com Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:42 PM Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band
Sure sometimes there is some inadvertent QRM because of call timing or poor reception ...but too often it is just plain lack of consideration and rudeness -- seems to be a sign of the times. What is becoming of some people...who call in the pile-ups continuously...on top of stations that are answered...the dx station says QRZ AD and you hear something like GH, BGN, or RJ and many others calling, calling, calling not because they can't hear...because they are too self-centered and inconsiderate to wait and let AD make his QSO and finish. It's disgusting behavior. What can we do? I'm for posting calls on a website of the LIDS for all to see...Enough peer pressure and maybe they'll get the idea. Why let a few ruin it for the rest? If you know people who do it, call them on it? Step up and let's keep 160 as W1BB would have liked -- the gentleman's band. 73 de Greg-N4CC -Original Message- From: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim F. Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:18 PM To: topband@contesting.com; Larry Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band As an avid QRPer I find that QRM is a fact of life almost never intentional, but frequently occuring. Also a fact of life is that there are so many considerate and patient operators willing to stand by and to listen for and try to copy weak signals.. BTW, VE1ZZ here in NH has an absolutely outstanding signal. jim / W1FMR --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry lkn...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band To: topband@contesting.com Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:42 PM Unfortunately 160 is not immune to that kind of behavior. I have run into it before (including from an A1 Op member). Some would argue they were agressively pursuing a DX QSO. Most of us would classify the operation as just plain QRM. 73, Larry W6NWS - Original Message - From: wa3...@comcast.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Topband: Ticked over intentional interference on top band I have been a ham for almost 46 years now and having been on 160 off an on for much of that time. Tonight I saw something that I had not really seen on 160 and kinda ticked me off big time; some idiot intentiionally trying to jam VE1ZZ while he was trying to work a DX station that I didnt even hear (I'M Jealous obviously). This kind of thing happens a lot on 80 what with all the idiots directly challenging the FCC and all but I have not really run into it on the gentlemens band. Everyone is for the most part so pleasant on this band. I mean if why not just turn it into a contest for who can work the station first? but to intentionally be a spoiler for another station just doesnt cut it. It would be nice to find this joker and poke pins in his coax. Whats the saying I'm mad as hell and not going to put up with this ??? Jim WA3MEJ P.S. VE1ZZ hope you got the contact anyhow. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
