date:20210922

Re: [topbraid-users] hiding assets from menus or lists - but giving view permissions

2021-09-22 Thread Holger Knublauch

I am afraid the short answer is no, we don't have such features. Other
colleagues may have additional input.

There is dash:hidden which you can theoretically use to hide
skos:Concepts from the Taxonomy tree, but that's about it.

Holger

On 2021-09-23 1:13 pm, Simon Opper wrote:

Hi TQ crew

Is there a way to hide assets from the edg UI which are required
imports, but maintain required view permissions so that any top level
graph e.g. the top level taxonomy is shown in menus but not (some or
all of ) its imports?

e.g. give view permissions for users (via roles and governance
singleton) to imported graphs such as ontologies and shapes or
customisations ontologies, (as far as I'm aware required to allow a
user to view the top level asset) but hide these assets from:

1. the the main EDG home screen;
2. the "quick navigation to your collections"
3. the table view of asset collections

We are working on governance models for user and role permissions but
haven't come across a method to hide assets.

Many thanks in advance

Simon
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Re: [topbraid-users] Is something missing in the shacl spec or just confusing or an error ?

2021-09-22 Thread Maatary Okouya

This was helpful. Will keep wrapping my head around the core points you 
shared. Thanks

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:10:41 AM UTC+1 Holger Knublauch wrote:

>
> On 2021-09-22 11:52 am, Maatary Okouya wrote:
>
> I think I get your point about focus node and value node, and i will wrap 
> my head around that. 
>
> Weird that there is no one example that show that type of construction 
>
> ex:X a sh:NodeShape ;
> sh:datatype xsd:string ;
>
> But for the little i just understood,  this means that the two are 
> equivalent ?
>
> ex:aNodeShape a sh:NodeShape
>   sh:targetClass ex:Person
>
> This means "All constraints defined by aNodeShape apply to all instances 
> of Person".
>
> (But the shape above doesn't define any constraints)
>
>
> ex:aNodeShape a sh:NodeShape
> sh:class ex:Person
>
> This means "The constraints defined by aNodeShape are: - all value nodes 
> must be instances of Person"
>
> (But the shape doesn't define a target so it doesn't apply to anything in 
> the graph).
>
> For something to "happen" you need to have both a target and constraints, 
> but
>
> ex:aNodeShape
>
>
> a sh:NodeShape ;
> sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>
> sh:class ex:Person ;
>
> would be meaningless because it will only apply to Persons and then 
> verifies that they are in fact Persons which is of course true.
>
> Holger
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:33:56 AM UTC+1 Holger Knublauch 
> wrote:
>
>> Modified below
>>
>> Holger
>>
>>
>> On 2021-09-22 11:31 am, Maatary Okouya wrote:
>>
>> Before, i go back and do my due diligence,  
>>
>> Would be able to expand that into its full form, i mean representing 
>> explicitly the NodeShape 
>>
>> ```
>>
>> ex:PersonAddressShape a sh:NodeShape ; 
>>   sh:targetClass ex:Person ; 
>>
>>  sh:property [//shprop1
>>a sh:PropertyShape ;
>>
>>sh:path ex:address ; 
>>sh:or ( 
>>
>>[
>> //shprop2
>>  a sh:NodeShape ;
>>  sh:datatype xsd:string ;
>>]
>>[  
>> //shprop3
>>   a sh:NodeShape ;
>>
>>   sh:class ex:Address ; 
>>] 
>>  ) 
>>  ] .
>> ```
>>
>> ```
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:20:22 AM UTC+1 Holger Knublauch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2021-09-22 11:01 am, Maatary Okouya wrote:
>>>
>>> I assumed that in my example that the list is made up of blank Property 
>>> Shape? am i correct ? 
>>>
>>> ```
>>> ex:PersonAddressShape a sh:NodeShape ; 
>>>   sh:targetClass ex:Person ; 
>>>  sh:property [//shprop1
>>>sh:path ex:address ; 
>>>sh:or ( 
>>>[
>>> //shprop2
>>>  sh:datatype xsd:string ;
>>>]
>>>[  
>>> //shprop3
>>>   sh:class ex:Address ; 
>>>] 
>>>  ) 
>>>  ] .
>>> ```
>>>
>>> The prop2 and prop3 constraints above are node shapes. But they are 
>>> applied to all value nodes of the surrounding property shape.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hence i am interested in how one read this informally as much as 
>>> formally. I don't think, as in the previous example above, sh:node or 
>>> sh:property applies. Hence, little confused on this one
>>>
>>> In general, both types of shapes apply to a focus node and its value 
>>> node(s). For node shapes the value node == the focus node. If you would do
>>>
>>> ex:PersonAddressShape
>>> sh:property [
>>> sh:path ex:address ;
>>> sh:or (
>>> [
>>> sh:path ex:postalCode ;
>>> sh:maxLength 4 ;
>>> sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>]
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> this would mean that all value nodes of ex:address must have another 
>>> property ex:postalCode with min length 4.
>>>
>>> So basically the terminology "focus node" and "value node" matters a 
>>> lot. Once this is clear, both types of shapes can be used interchangeably.
>>>
>>> In the WG we had long long discussions about whether property shapes and 
>>> node shapes can be used interchangeably, and I was hesitant and actually 
>>> actively against too much flexibility here because it would confuse users. 
>>> Sometimes less is more, and I believe your discussion and input from many 
>>> other users have confirmed that the current design requires quite a level 
>>> of abstraction to understand properly.
>>>
>>> Holger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Note: I have been  using  all of this thing  in my application without 
>>> problem, as i had the intuition about how those works and the support of 
>>> TBC. But recently i have had  to parse shacl, and that is when the issue of 
>>> what is what exactly,  or what is allowed where comes

Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

2021-09-22 Thread David Price

I’ve never tried that, but may work.

Cheers,
David

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 13:44, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok my idea:
>  
> In TBC i import the xlsx (semantic table variant)
> Then I export a ttl for it
>  
> I strip the data off, leaving only the one class and column properties
>  
> I import this one in edg
>  
> Then I can do import by by pattern
>  
> Selecting the one class (and prob. the attributes in the mapping…).
>  
> Strange idea?
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:39 PM
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx
>  
> The entity type is the class in the ontology that the importer will make 
> instances of. The current EDG graph must have an ontology in its 
> settings/includes. That’s what the documentation means:
>  
> The Entity type for the imported data field identifies what type of assets 
> you will be importing. Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG 
> as an instance of the selected class and you will be able to map spreadsheet 
> columns to the declared properties of the class.
>  
> FWIW if you create an EDG Ontologies first, you will find this which does 
> generate the properties required, just not the class itself:
>  
> If you do not yet have a suitable target class: To import property 
> definitions from a spreadsheet, create or select a class in the Ontology 
> editor, then use Modify > Add property shapes from Spreadsheet columns...
>  
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 13:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Ok, I tried Import by Pattern
>  
> But then I get:
>  
> 
>  
> So, it does not takes, as with TBC, the worksheet name as enity type, but it 
> expects a type already available…
>  
> AS I would like the system to generate the ontology from the first row…what 
> is the minimum I have to do now?
>  
>  
> Is it true that there is no ontology generation here because:
> “ Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG as an instance of the 
> selected class “
>  
> So:
> Each row….also the first rows typically having the attribute names
> Selected class, so there should be one to select already……
>  
> It feels like:
> You have to define the ontology yourself now. And just import the DATA rows….
> Please confirm, thx
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
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> From: 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:55 PM
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx
>  
> Ok, sorry
>  
> In TBC the template seems optional so I assumed etc.
> Also learned that all TBC-automatic imports now need manual action…
>  
> Furthermore it says:
>  
> 
>  
> Wrt qudt: they are all online accessible, or is this another meaning for EDG?
> Wrt:shacl: I would not expect this warning from a shacl-based platform…
>  
> But ok, I’ll try to further learn edg ….
>  
> Gr michel
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
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RE: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

2021-09-22 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Ok my idea:

In TBC i import the xlsx (semantic table variant)
Then I export a ttl for it

I strip the data off, leaving only the one class and column properties

I import this one in edg

Then I can do import by by pattern

Selecting the one class (and prob. the attributes in the mapping…).

Strange idea?



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Structural Reliability

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From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David Price
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:39 PM
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

The entity type is the class in the ontology that the importer will make 
instances of. The current EDG graph must have an ontology in its 
settings/includes. That’s what the documentation means:

The Entity type for the imported data field identifies what type of assets you 
will be importing. Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG as an 
instance of the selected class and you will be able to map spreadsheet columns 
to the declared properties of the class.

FWIW if you create an EDG Ontologies first, you will find this which does 
generate the properties required, just not the class itself:

If you do not yet have a suitable target class: To import property definitions 
from a spreadsheet, create or select a class in the Ontology editor, then use 
Modify > Add property shapes from Spreadsheet columns...

Cheers,
David


On 22 Sep 2021, at 13:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Ok, I tried Import by Pattern

But then I get:



So, it does not takes, as with TBC, the worksheet name as enity type, but it 
expects a type already available…

AS I would like the system to generate the ontology from the first row…what is 
the minimum I have to do now?


Is it true that there is no ontology generation here because:
“ Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG as an instance of the 
selected class “

So:

  1.  Each row….also the first rows typically having the attribute names
  2.  Selected class, so there should be one to select already……

It feels like:
You have to define the ontology yourself now. And just import the DATA rows….
Please confirm, thx



Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
E michel.bo...@tno.nl

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From: 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:55 PM
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

Ok, sorry

In TBC the template seems optional so I assumed etc.
Also learned that all TBC-automatic imports now need manual action…

Furthermore it says:



Wrt qudt: they are all online accessible, or is this another meaning for EDG?
Wrt:shacl: I would not expect this warning from a shacl-based platform…

But ok, I’ll try to further learn edg ….

Gr michel



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mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of David Price
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:27 PM
To:

Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

2021-09-22 Thread David Price

The entity type is the class in the ontology that the importer will make 
instances of. The current EDG graph must have an ontology in its 
settings/includes. That’s what the documentation means:

The Entity type for the imported data field identifies what type of assets you 
will be importing. Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG as an 
instance of the selected class and you will be able to map spreadsheet columns 
to the declared properties of the class.

FWIW if you create an EDG Ontologies first, you will find this which does 
generate the properties required, just not the class itself:

If you do not yet have a suitable target class: To import property definitions 
from a spreadsheet, create or select a class in the Ontology editor, then use 
Modify > Add property shapes from Spreadsheet columns...

Cheers,
David

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 13:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I tried Import by Pattern
>  
> But then I get:
>  
> 
>  
> So, it does not takes, as with TBC, the worksheet name as enity type, but it 
> expects a type already available…
>  
> AS I would like the system to generate the ontology from the first row…what 
> is the minimum I have to do now?
>  
>  
> Is it true that there is no ontology generation here because:
> “ Each row in the spreadsheet will be brought into EDG as an instance of the 
> selected class “
>  
> So:
> Each row….also the first rows typically having the attribute names
> Selected class, so there should be one to select already……
>  
> It feels like:
> You have to define the ontology yourself now. And just import the DATA rows….
> Please confirm, thx
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
> T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
> M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl 
> Location 
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> From: 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:55 PM
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx
>  
> Ok, sorry
>  
> In TBC the template seems optional so I assumed etc.
> Also learned that all TBC-automatic imports now need manual action…
>  
> Furthermore it says:
>  
> 
>  
> Wrt qudt: they are all online accessible, or is this another meaning for EDG?
> Wrt:shacl: I would not expect this warning from a shacl-based platform…
>  
> But ok, I’ll try to further learn edg ….
>  
> Gr michel
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
> T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
> M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl 
> Location 
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>   > On Behalf Of David Price
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:27 PM
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx
>  
> The message tells you “No templates have been installed yet”.
>  
> Best read and understand the process:
>  
> https://doc.topquadrant.com/7.0/importing/ 
> 
>  
> “using Templates” must first be done with “using Patterns”.
>  
> Cheers,
> David
>  
> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 10:45, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Trying to find my way in edg wrt the excel stuff
>  
> I imported by target (multiclass) ontology and now wanted to import the one 
> table sheet:
> 
>  
> Why can I not click “ Finish”?
>  
> Thx Michel
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
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RE: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

2021-09-22 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Ok, sorry

In TBC the template seems optional so I assumed etc.
Also learned that all TBC-automatic imports now need manual action…

Furthermore it says:

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Wrt qudt: they are all online accessible, or is this another meaning for EDG?
Wrt:shacl: I would not expect this warning from a shacl-based platform…

But ok, I’ll try to further learn edg ….

Gr michel



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Structural Reliability

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From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:27 PM
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

The message tells you “No templates have been installed yet”.

Best read and understand the process:

https://doc.topquadrant.com/7.0/importing/

“using Templates” must first be done with “using Patterns”.

Cheers,
David


On 22 Sep 2021, at 10:45, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Trying to find my way in edg wrt the excel stuff

I imported by target (multiclass) ontology and now wanted to import the one 
table sheet:


Why can I not click “ Finish”?

Thx Michel



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[topbraid-users] edg import xlsx

2021-09-22 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Trying to find my way in edg wrt the excel stuff

I imported by target (multiclass) ontology and now wanted to import the one 
table sheet:
[cid:image001.png@01D7AFA7.5FD8EC50]

Why can I not click " Finish"?

Thx Michel



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Re: [topbraid-users] Re: mu

2021-09-22 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Thx Andy!

Op 21 sep. 2021 21:30 schreef "an...@seaborne.org" :
> zanddriehoek_180_µm_63_µm

Here it is µ == U+00B5 (Micro sign)

which is not the same as U+03BC (Greek mu).

Greek mu is allowed in prefix names. Micro sign is not in the allowed
characters.

Andy

On Thursday, 16 September 2021 at 16:28:49 UTC+1 Bohms, H.M. (Michel) wrote:
I noticed that:

zanddriehoek_180_µm_63_µm

did not result in a prefixed name

because of ‘µ’…was that to be expected?

(can change to micro ….)

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