RE: [topbraid-users] star

['Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users]

Ah 

So the answer to my first question:

“Would TDB support code like: …. “

Was simply “no” in the end ……

Anyway, thx


From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 13:38
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

TBC doesn't support any of this.

Holger



On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:36 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

My try is attached.

But then….how in tbc:



Can I add the 2 meta-data items date and author for the age=23?



From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 13:02
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

I invite you to just try it out please.

Holger




On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:01 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thx, all clear

Ps wrt example, I meant the Turtle counterpart for the actual yellow data in:


From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 12:05
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be the 
first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that makes 
nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with our 
URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get work 
done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment cost for 
us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it introduces a 
completely new node type that would need to be handled, gracefully, in all of 
our algorithms.

You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
interested in the implementation details.

Holger





On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thx, very helpful!!

And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way via 
meta/provenance shapes.

I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
(it now only shows the system interface)

In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to support 
it (i.e. do the first red).
RDF* has the following characteristics:

  *   defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
  *   SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on 
individual subjects, predicates or objects
  *   requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
  *   not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
announced


Thx a lot

From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.

In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html

You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
for example reify sh:minCount constraints.

Holger






On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…

Would TDB support code like:

EXAMPLE 9

:a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .

is the same set of triples as:
EXAMPLE 10

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .

:a :name "Alice"


Small one in case the answer is yes:

Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
(can’t find an example anywhere…)

Thx Michel




Michel Böhms
Data Scientist
Digital Built Environment (DBE)


Mobile +31 630381220
E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl

Location





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Re: [topbraid-users] star

[Holger Knublauch]

TBC doesn't support any of this.

Holger


> On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:36 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> My try is attached.
>  
> But then….how in tbc:
>  
> 
>  
> Can I add the 2 meta-data items date and author for the age=23?
>  
>  
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 13:02
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> I invite you to just try it out please.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:01 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Thx, all clear
>  
> Ps wrt example, I meant the Turtle counterpart for the actual yellow data in:
> 
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 12:05
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
> list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
> it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be 
> the first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that 
> makes nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with 
> our URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get 
> work done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment 
> cost for us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it 
> introduces a completely new node type that would need to be handled, 
> gracefully, in all of our algorithms.
>  
> You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
> interested in the implementation details.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Thx, very helpful!!
>  
> And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way 
> via meta/provenance shapes.
>  
> I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
> Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
> (it now only shows the system interface)
>  
> In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to 
> support it (i.e. do the first red).
> RDF* has the following characteristics:
> 
> defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
> SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on individual 
> subjects, predicates or objects
> requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
> changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
> not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
> announced
>  
>  
> Thx a lot
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.
>  
> In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
> instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html
>  
> You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
> for example reify sh:minCount constraints.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
> objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…
>  
> Would TDB support code like:
>  
> EXAMPLE 9 
> 
> :a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .
> is the same set of triples as:
> 
> EXAMPLE 10 
> 
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .
> :a :name "Alice"
>  
>  
> Small one in case the answer is yes:
>  
> Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
> (can’t find an example anywhere…)
>  
> Thx Michel
>  
>  
>  
> Michel Böhms
> Data Scientist
> Digital Built Environment (DBE)
> 
> Mobile +31 630381220
> E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl   
> Location 
> 
>  
>  
> This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are 
> not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are 
> requested to inform the sender and delete the 

RE: [topbraid-users] star

['Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users]

My try is attached.

But then….how in tbc:

[cid:image001.png@01D958D5.267F5E20]

Can I add the 2 meta-data items date and author for the age=23?



From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 13:02
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

I invite you to just try it out please.

Holger



On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:01 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thx, all clear

Ps wrt example, I meant the Turtle counterpart for the actual yellow data in:


From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 12:05
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be the 
first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that makes 
nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with our 
URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get work 
done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment cost for 
us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it introduces a 
completely new node type that would need to be handled, gracefully, in all of 
our algorithms.

You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
interested in the implementation details.

Holger




On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thx, very helpful!!

And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way via 
meta/provenance shapes.

I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
(it now only shows the system interface)

In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to support 
it (i.e. do the first red).
RDF* has the following characteristics:

  *   defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
  *   SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on 
individual subjects, predicates or objects
  *   requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
  *   not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
announced


Thx a lot

From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.

In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html

You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
for example reify sh:minCount constraints.

Holger





On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…

Would TDB support code like:

EXAMPLE 9

:a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .

is the same set of triples as:
EXAMPLE 10

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .

:a :name "Alice"


Small one in case the answer is yes:

Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
(can’t find an example anywhere…)

Thx Michel




Michel Böhms
Data Scientist
Digital Built Environment (DBE)


Mobile +31 630381220
E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl

Location





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Re: [topbraid-users] star

[Holger Knublauch]

I invite you to just try it out please.

Holger


> On 17 Mar 2023, at 12:01 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thx, all clear
>  
> Ps wrt example, I meant the Turtle counterpart for the actual yellow data in:
> 
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 12:05
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
> list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
> it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be 
> the first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that 
> makes nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with 
> our URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get 
> work done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment 
> cost for us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it 
> introduces a completely new node type that would need to be handled, 
> gracefully, in all of our algorithms.
>  
> You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
> interested in the implementation details.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Thx, very helpful!!
>  
> And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way 
> via meta/provenance shapes.
>  
> I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
> Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
> (it now only shows the system interface)
>  
> In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to 
> support it (i.e. do the first red).
> RDF* has the following characteristics:
> 
> defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
> SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on individual 
> subjects, predicates or objects
> requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
> changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
> not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
> announced
>  
>  
> Thx a lot
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.
>  
> In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
> instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html
>  
> You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
> for example reify sh:minCount constraints.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
> objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…
>  
> Would TDB support code like:
>  
> EXAMPLE 9 
> 
> :a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .
> is the same set of triples as:
> 
> EXAMPLE 10 
> 
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .
> :a :name "Alice"
>  
>  
> Small one in case the answer is yes:
>  
> Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
> (can’t find an example anywhere…)
>  
> Thx Michel
>  
>  
>  
> Michel Böhms
> Data Scientist
> Digital Built Environment (DBE)
> 
> Mobile +31 630381220
> E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl   
> Location 
> 
>  
>  
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RE: [topbraid-users] star

['Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users]

Thx, all clear

Ps wrt example, I meant the Turtle counterpart for the actual yellow data in:
[cid:image001.png@01D958D0.799E4E40]

From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 12:05
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be the 
first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that makes 
nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with our 
URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get work 
done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment cost for 
us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it introduces a 
completely new node type that would need to be handled, gracefully, in all of 
our algorithms.

You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
interested in the implementation details.

Holger



On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thx, very helpful!!

And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way via 
meta/provenance shapes.

I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
(it now only shows the system interface)

In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to support 
it (i.e. do the first red).
RDF* has the following characteristics:

  *   defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
  *   SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on 
individual subjects, predicates or objects
  *   requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
  *   not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
announced


Thx a lot

From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.

In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html

You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
for example reify sh:minCount constraints.

Holger




On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…

Would TDB support code like:

EXAMPLE 9

:a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .

is the same set of triples as:
EXAMPLE 10

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .

:a :name "Alice"


Small one in case the answer is yes:

Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
(can’t find an example anywhere…)

Thx Michel




Michel Böhms
Data Scientist
Digital Built Environment (DBE)


Mobile +31 630381220
E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl

Location





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Re: [topbraid-users] star

[Holger Knublauch]

RDF-star is still under development. In fact I just looked at the W3C mailing 
list of the WG that is supposed to standardize RDF-star. At this stage I find 
it too early to commit to something that may evolve further. It wouldn't be the 
first time that a WG comes up with some weird compromise solution that makes 
nobody happy in the end. We have solved the practical use cases with our 
URI-based reification approach and many customers are using it to get work 
done. That's good enough for me. There would be significant investment cost for 
us if we want to support the implementation from Jena because it introduces a 
completely new node type that would need to be handled, gracefully, in all of 
our algorithms.

You can see the actual triples when you export to vanilla Turtle, if you're 
interested in the implementation details.

Holger


> On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:59 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thx, very helpful!!
>  
> And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way 
> via meta/provenance shapes.
>  
> I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
> Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
> (it now only shows the system interface)
>  
> In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to 
> support it (i.e. do the first red).
> RDF* has the following characteristics:
> 
> defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
> SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on individual 
> subjects, predicates or objects
> requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
> changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
> not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
> announced
>  
>  
> Thx a lot
>  
> From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
> Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
> To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star
>  
> For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.
>  
> In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
> instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html
>  
> You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
> for example reify sh:minCount constraints.
>  
> Holger
>  
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
> objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…
>  
> Would TDB support code like:
>  
> EXAMPLE 9 
> 
> :a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .
> is the same set of triples as:
> 
> EXAMPLE 10 
> 
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .
> :a :name "Alice"
>  
>  
> Small one in case the answer is yes:
>  
> Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
> (can’t find an example anywhere…)
>  
> Thx Michel
>  
>  
>  
> Michel Böhms
> Data Scientist
> Digital Built Environment (DBE)
> 
> Mobile +31 630381220
> E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl   
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RE: [topbraid-users] star

['Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users]

Thx, very helpful!!

And interesting approach to just model the reification in a shacl/dash way via 
meta/provenance shapes.

I am only wondering: how does the actual data now look like (like in the 
Bob/age example stated by Claire)?
(it now only shows the system interface)

In case in future the second red is satisfied, would you also going to support 
it (i.e. do the first red).
RDF* has the following characteristics:

  *   defines convenient and compact syntaxes for Turtle and SPARQL
  *   SPARQL* makes it possible to find all refied statements based on 
individual subjects, predicates or objects
  *   requires a low-level extension to the RDF data model, and corresponding 
changes to graph implementations, APIs and tools
  *   not standardized although some implementations exist, with more being 
announced


Thx a lot

From: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Holger Knublauch
Sent: vrijdag 17 maart 2023 11:46
To: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] star

For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.

In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html

You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
for example reify sh:minCount constraints.

Holger



On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…

Would TDB support code like:

EXAMPLE 9

:a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .

is the same set of triples as:
EXAMPLE 10

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .

:a :name "Alice"


Small one in case the answer is yes:

Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
(can’t find an example anywhere…)

Thx Michel




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Re: [topbraid-users] star

[Holger Knublauch]

For general Jena/TDB questions, please ask the jena-users mailing list.

In TopBraid we do not support the ongoing RDF-star implementation of Jena but 
instead use https://datashapes.org/reification.html

You can see the supported shorthand syntax in the Source Code panel when you 
for example reify sh:minCount constraints.

Holger


> On 17 Mar 2023, at 9:13 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
> objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star…
>  
> Would TDB support code like:
>  
> EXAMPLE 9 
> 
> :a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .
> is the same set of triples as:
> 
> EXAMPLE 10 
> 
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .
> << :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .
> :a :name "Alice"
>  
>  
> Small one in case the answer is yes:
>  
> Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
> (can’t find an example anywhere…)
>  
> Thx Michel
>  
>  
>  
> Michel Böhms
> Data Scientist
> Digital Built Environment (DBE)
> 
> Mobile +31 630381220
> E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl   
> Location 
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[topbraid-users] star

['Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users]

Before I start reformulating/simplifying some of my ontologies (including 
objectifications of values to attach meta-data) to rdf-star...

Would TDB support code like:

EXAMPLE 9

:a :name "Alice" {| :statedBy :bob ; :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date |} .

is the same set of triples as:
EXAMPLE 10

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :statedBy :bob .

<< :a :name "Alice" >> :recorded "2021-07-07"^^xsd:date .

:a :name "Alice"


Small one in case the answer is yes:

Would a meta-property get the domain rdf-star:Triple
(can't find an example anywhere...)

Thx Michel




Michel Böhms
Data Scientist
Digital Built Environment (DBE)


Mobile +31 630381220
E-mail  michel.bo...@tno.nl

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