RE: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-31 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 



Why don't you just declare it owl:DatatypeProperty

> that is what I do now

without any range or owl:allValuesFrom?

> that is indeed what I wanted to check below

> I now also looked into owl:hasValue

> is this one only to be used for use in a constraint or could it be used as 
> alternative for my own “: hasValue”

(if so, I can also use it for objectified relationships since its range is 
indeed rdfs:Resource so also covering uris)

> or if misusebetter use rdf:value (from resource to resource) which 
> intention is however for “structured values” ?

>yet another alt. is: https://schema.org/value (but not for 
>uris/objectproperties)

Thx michel





Holger


On 31/07/2019 15:47, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
In my case uris are seperate.
So its about all values not being an uri...so the most generic datatype.
So value can be float...decimal...boolean...string
Ps for now in rdfs/owl...so yes inferencing...but for some closed world 
interpret...other issue

Guess still conclusion...not specify a range for the valueOf property of the 
objectified datatypeproperty...

Will also check how schema:value ir even owl:value do this


Op 31 jul. 2019 00:42 schreef Irene Polikoff 
:
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If there is no constraint on the kind of values a property may have, then do 
not say anything.

If you know that values can be either URIs or blank nodes, then use sh:nodeKind 
constraint with sh:BlankNodeOrIRI.

If values will always be URIs, then use sh:nodeKind constraint with sh:IRI.

If you are using rtfs:range and values can be either URIs or blank nodes or 
just URIs, then use rdfs:Resource as the range. Of course, RDFS is not about 
constraints or data validity, but about inferences.


> On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:59 PM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  
> wrote:
>
> Hi david where or better how i got the idea...
>
> I try to find the best range for a property hasValue when modelling 
> objectified properties.
> Depending on the also now explicitly modelled datatype..the value can take in 
> principle any value.
>
> So i though wel maby use xsd anytype...
> Then i indeed saw...not in the list...so i thought...well maybe not in the 
> list because of same effect of modelling no range at all...
>
> Just to explain my thinking...
>
> Anyway...in the end...better leave the range open in this situation?
>
> Ps for similar objectified relationships i need hasReference...and this time 
> i can use xsd anyuri.
>
> Gr michel
>
> Op 30 jul. 2019 18:13 schreef dprice 
> :
>
>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
>> range?
>> (just checking)
>
> Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes
>
> Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is not 
> specified, it does not default to  xsd:anyType.
>
> For OWL see:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs
>
> xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>>
>> Thx Michel
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-31 Thread Holger Knublauch 
Why don't you just declare it owl:DatatypeProperty and without any range 
or owl:allValuesFrom?


Holger


On 31/07/2019 15:47, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:

In my case uris are seperate.
So its about all values not being an uri...so the most generic datatype.
So value can be float...decimal...boolean...string
Ps for now in rdfs/owl...so yes inferencing...but for some closed 
world interpret...other issue


Guess still conclusion...not specify a range for the valueOf property 
of the objectified datatypeproperty...


Will also check how schema:value ir even owl:value do this


Op 31 jul. 2019 00:42 schreef Irene Polikoff :
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If there is no constraint on the kind of values a property may have, 
then do not say anything.


If you know that values can be either URIs or blank nodes, then use 
sh:nodeKind constraint with sh:BlankNodeOrIRI.


If values will always be URIs, then use sh:nodeKind constraint with 
sh:IRI.


If you are using rtfs:range and values can be either URIs or blank 
nodes or just URIs, then use rdfs:Resource as the range. Of course, 
RDFS is not about constraints or data validity, but about inferences.



> On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:59 PM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid 
Suite Users  wrote:

>
> Hi david where or better how i got the idea...
>
> I try to find the best range for a property hasValue when modelling 
objectified properties.
> Depending on the also now explicitly modelled datatype..the value 
can take in principle any value.

>
> So i though wel maby use xsd anytype...
> Then i indeed saw...not in the list...so i thought...well maybe not 
in the list because of same effect of modelling no range at all...

>
> Just to explain my thinking...
>
> Anyway...in the end...better leave the range open in this situation?
>
> Ps for similar objectified relationships i need hasReference...and 
this time i can use xsd anyuri.

>
> Gr michel
>
> Op 30 jul. 2019 18:13 schreef dprice :
>
>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite 
Users  wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not 
specifying a range?

>> (just checking)
>
> Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes
>
> Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is 
not specified, it does not default to xsd:anyType.

>
> For OWL see:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs
>
> xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>>
>> Thx Michel
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
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Re: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-30 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
In my case uris are seperate.
So its about all values not being an uri...so the most generic datatype.
So value can be float...decimal...boolean...string
Ps for now in rdfs/owl...so yes inferencing...but for some closed world 
interpret...other issue

Guess still conclusion...not specify a range for the valueOf property of the 
objectified datatypeproperty...

Will also check how schema:value ir even owl:value do this


Op 31 jul. 2019 00:42 schreef Irene Polikoff :
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If there is no constraint on the kind of values a property may have, then do 
not say anything.

If you know that values can be either URIs or blank nodes, then use sh:nodeKind 
constraint with sh:BlankNodeOrIRI.

If values will always be URIs, then use sh:nodeKind constraint with sh:IRI.

If you are using rtfs:range and values can be either URIs or blank nodes or 
just URIs, then use rdfs:Resource as the range. Of course, RDFS is not about 
constraints or data validity, but about inferences.


> On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:59 PM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi david where or better how i got the idea...
>
> I try to find the best range for a property hasValue when modelling 
> objectified properties.
> Depending on the also now explicitly modelled datatype..the value can take in 
> principle any value.
>
> So i though wel maby use xsd anytype...
> Then i indeed saw...not in the list...so i thought...well maybe not in the 
> list because of same effect of modelling no range at all...
>
> Just to explain my thinking...
>
> Anyway...in the end...better leave the range open in this situation?
>
> Ps for similar objectified relationships i need hasReference...and this time 
> i can use xsd anyuri.
>
> Gr michel
>
> Op 30 jul. 2019 18:13 schreef dprice :
>
>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
>> range?
>> (just checking)
>
> Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes
>
> Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is not 
> specified, it does not default to  xsd:anyType.
>
> For OWL see:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs
>
> xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>>
>> Thx Michel
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
>> Senior Data Scientist
>>
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>> M +31630381220
>> E michel.bo...@tno.nl
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Re: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-30 Thread Irene Polikoff 
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If there is no constraint on the kind of values a property may have, then do 
not say anything. 

If you know that values can be either URIs or blank nodes, then use sh:nodeKind 
constraint with sh:BlankNodeOrIRI.

If values will always be URIs, then use sh:nodeKind constraint with sh:IRI.

If you are using rtfs:range and values can be either URIs or blank nodes or 
just URIs, then use rdfs:Resource as the range. Of course, RDFS is not about 
constraints or data validity, but about inferences.


> On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:59 PM, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi david where or better how i got the idea...
> 
> I try to find the best range for a property hasValue when modelling 
> objectified properties.
> Depending on the also now explicitly modelled datatype..the value can take in 
> principle any value.
> 
> So i though wel maby use xsd anytype...
> Then i indeed saw...not in the list...so i thought...well maybe not in the 
> list because of same effect of modelling no range at all...
> 
> Just to explain my thinking...
> 
> Anyway...in the end...better leave the range open in this situation?
> 
> Ps for similar objectified relationships i need hasReference...and this time 
> i can use xsd anyuri.
> 
> Gr michel
> 
> Op 30 jul. 2019 18:13 schreef dprice :
> 
>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
>> range?
>> (just checking)
> 
> Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:
> 
> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes
> 
> Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is not 
> specified, it does not default to  xsd:anyType.
> 
> For OWL see:
> 
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs
> 
> xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
>>  
>> Thx Michel
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms
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>> 
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Re: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-30 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
Hi david where or better how i got the idea...

I try to find the best range for a property hasValue when modelling objectified 
properties.
Depending on the also now explicitly modelled datatype..the value can take in 
principle any value.

So i though wel maby use xsd anytype...
Then i indeed saw...not in the list...so i thought...well maybe not in the list 
because of same effect of modelling no range at all...

Just to explain my thinking...

Anyway...in the end...better leave the range open in this situation?

Ps for similar objectified relationships i need hasReference...and this time i 
can use xsd anyuri.

Gr michel

Op 30 jul. 2019 18:13 schreef dprice :

On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:



Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
range?
(just checking)

Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:

https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes

Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is not 
specified, it does not default to  xsd:anyType.

For OWL see:

https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes
https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs

xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.

Cheers,
David


Thx Michel




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Re: [topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-30 Thread dprice 

> On 30 Jul 2019, at 16:19, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> Isn’t there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
> range?
> (just checking)

Nope. Full list at of RDF acceptable datatypes at:

https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-Datatypes 


Not sure where you got that idea, but it’s incorrect. If a range is not 
specified, it does not default to  xsd:anyType.

For OWL see:

https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatypes 

https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Datatype_Maps
https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#IRIs

xsd:anyType is not mentioned anywhere in these specs.

Cheers,
David

>  
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[topbraid-users] anyType?

2019-07-30 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 


Isn't there xsd:anyType in RDF since it is the default when not specifying a 
range?
(just checking)

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