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RE: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name

2021-06-02 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Super Holger, thx!

Ps
And thx Redmer, for pinpointing.



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Verzonden: donderdag 3 juni 2021 00:52
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Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name


Apologies, you are right. I even found a ticket in our Jira system from 2017 
where we wanted to update this but it fell through the cracks. The problem is 
that the Sorted Turtle writer uses an outdated base library that we cloned from 
an earlier Jena version. We'll try to fix that for 7.1.

Holger


On 2021-06-02 6:03 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
Hi Holger,
Are you sure? latest Turtle says:

[168s]

PN_LOCAL

::=

(PN_CHARS_U<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS_U> | ':' 
| [0-9] | PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>) 
((PN_CHARS<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS> | '.' | 
':' | PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>)* 
(PN_CHARS<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS> | ':' | 
PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>))?



It was not allowed in the 2008 variant hence (see red):

D.4 Changes from January 2008 Team 
Submission<http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/2008/SUBM-turtle-20080114/> to 
First Public Working Draft<http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-turtle-20110809/>

  1.  Adopted three additional string syntaxes from SPARQL: 
STRING_LITERAL2<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL2>,
 
STRING_LITERAL_LONG1<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG1>,
 
STRING_LITERAL_LONG2<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG2>
  2.  Adopted SPARQL's syntax for prefixed names (see editor's 
draft<http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#rPrefixedName>):

 *   '.'s in names in all positions of a local name apart from the first or 
last, e.g. ex:first.name.
 *   digits in the first character of the 
PN_LOCAL<http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rPN_LOCAL> lexical token, e.g. 
ex:7tm.

  1.  adopted SPARQL's IRI resolution and prefix substitution text.
  2.  explicitly allowed re-use of the same prefix.
  3.  Added parsing rules<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#sec-parsing>.

GR MICHEL





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Structural Reliability

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Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name


We use slightly different serialization algorithms across tools but local names 
cannot start with digits so writing the full URI is correct.

If you just export "Turtle" from EDG or save to Turtle from TBC you'll get 
test_uuid:675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9 while Sorted Turtle will produce 
<http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9><http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9>
 which is more correct AFAIK. Both can be parsed though, so it shouldn't matter 
too much.

Holger


On 2021-06-01 10:14 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
Dear tq
I have asked earlier but I could not refind….

I

Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name

2021-06-02 Thread Holger Knublauch

Apologies, you are right. I even found a ticket in our Jira system from 
2017 where we wanted to update this but it fell through the cracks. The 
problem is that the Sorted Turtle writer uses an outdated base library 
that we cloned from an earlier Jena version. We'll try to fix that for 7.1.


Holger


On 2021-06-02 6:03 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
wrote:


Hi Holger,

Are you sure? latest Turtle says:

[168s]



|PN_LOCAL|



::=



(PN_CHARS_U 
<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS_U>|| |'|:|' 
|| |[|0-9|] || |PLX 
<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>) ((PN_CHARS 
<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS>|| |'|.|' 
|| |'|:|' || |PLX 
<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>)|*| (PN_CHARS 
<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS> || |'|:|' 
|| |PLX <https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>))?


It was not allowed in the 2008 variant hence (see red):


  D.4 Changes from January 2008 Team Submission
  <http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/2008/SUBM-turtle-20080114/> to
  First Public Working Draft
  <http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-turtle-20110809/>

  * Adopted three additional string syntaxes from SPARQL:
STRING_LITERAL2
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL2>,
STRING_LITERAL_LONG1

<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG1>,
STRING_LITERAL_LONG2

<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG2>
  * Adopted SPARQL's syntax for prefixed names (see editor's draft
<http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#rPrefixedName>):
  o '.'s in names in all positions of a local name apart from the
first or last, e.g. |ex:first.name|.
  o digits in the first character of the PN_LOCAL
<http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rPN_LOCAL> lexical
token, e.g. |ex:7tm|.
  * adopted SPARQL's IRI resolution and prefix substitution text.
  * explicitly allowed re-use of the same prefix.
  * Added parsing rules <https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#sec-parsing>.

GR MICHEL



Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability



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 *Namens *Holger Knublauch

*Verzonden:* woensdag 2 juni 2021 03:40
*Aan:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
*Onderwerp:* Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as 
name


We use slightly different serialization algorithms across tools but 
local names cannot start with digits so writing the full URI is correct.


If you just export "Turtle" from EDG or save to Turtle from TBC you'll 
get test_uuid:675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9 while Sorted Turtle 
will produce 
<http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9> 
<http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9> 
which is more correct AFAIK. Both can be parsed though, so it 
shouldn't matter too much.


Holger

On 2021-06-01 10:14 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite 
Users wrote:


Dear tq

I have asked earlier but I could not refind….

I have:

https://w3id.org/cbnl/skos/term#048B3010-0BD1-4A89-9F49-FE6D825DA799
<https://w3id.org/cbnl/skos/term#048B3010-0BD1-4A89-9F49-FE6D825DA799>

  rdf:type skos:Concept ;

  dct:source "IMBOR2021beta"@NL-nl ;

skos:broader nen2660-term:InformationObject ;

skos:definition "Informatieobject voor het registreren en koppelen
van documenten aan objecttypes."@NL-nl

<mailto:%22Informatieobject%20voor%20het%20registreren%20en%20koppelen%20van%20documenten%20aan%20objecttypes.%22@NL-nl>;

skos:prefLabel "Document"@NL-nl ;

.

So name is UUID code.

Despite prefixes are fine TBC does not use prefix in interface now.

Think I reported earlier.

(when I change uuid number into “Document” things render fine again)

Gr michel



Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability



T +31 (0)88 866 31 07

RE: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name

2021-06-02 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Hi Holger,
Are you sure? latest Turtle says:

[168s]

PN_LOCAL

::=

(PN_CHARS_U<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS_U> | ':' 
| [0-9] | PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>) 
((PN_CHARS<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS> | '.' | 
':' | PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>)* 
(PN_CHARS<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_CHARS> | ':' | 
PLX<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PLX>))?



It was not allowed in the 2008 variant hence (see red):

D.4 Changes from January 2008 Team 
Submission<http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/2008/SUBM-turtle-20080114/> to 
First Public Working Draft<http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-turtle-20110809/>

  *   Adopted three additional string syntaxes from SPARQL: 
STRING_LITERAL2<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL2>,
 
STRING_LITERAL_LONG1<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG1>,
 
STRING_LITERAL_LONG2<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-sparql11-query-20130321/#rSTRING_LITERAL_LONG2>
  *   Adopted SPARQL's syntax for prefixed names (see editor's 
draft<http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#rPrefixedName>):
 *   '.'s in names in all positions of a local name apart from the first or 
last, e.g. ex:first.name.
 *   digits in the first character of the 
PN_LOCAL<http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rPN_LOCAL> lexical token, e.g. 
ex:7tm.
  *   adopted SPARQL's IRI resolution and prefix substitution text.
  *   explicitly allowed re-use of the same prefix.
  *   Added parsing rules<https://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#sec-parsing>.

GR MICHEL





Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
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Holger Knublauch
Verzonden: woensdag 2 juni 2021 03:40
Aan: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name


We use slightly different serialization algorithms across tools but local names 
cannot start with digits so writing the full URI is correct.

If you just export "Turtle" from EDG or save to Turtle from TBC you'll get 
test_uuid:675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9 while Sorted Turtle will produce 
<http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9><http://example.org/ontologies/test_uuid#675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9>
 which is more correct AFAIK. Both can be parsed though, so it shouldn't matter 
too much.

Holger


On 2021-06-01 10:14 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote:
Dear tq
I have asked earlier but I could not refind….

I have:

https://w3id.org/cbnl/skos/term#048B3010-0BD1-4A89-9F49-FE6D825DA799
  rdf:type skos:Concept ;
  dct:source "IMBOR2021beta"@NL-nl ;
  skos:broader nen2660-term:InformationObject ;
  skos:definition "Informatieobject voor het registreren en koppelen van 
documenten aan 
objecttypes."@NL-nl<mailto:%22Informatieobject%20voor%20het%20registreren%20en%20koppelen%20van%20documenten%20aan%20objecttypes.%22@NL-nl>
 ;
  skos:prefLabel "Document"@NL-nl ;
.

So name is UUID code.

Despite prefixes are fine TBC does not use prefix in interface now.
Think I reported earlier.

(when I change uuid number into “Document” things render fine again)

Gr michel



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Structural Reliability

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Re: [topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name

2021-06-01 Thread Holger Knublauch

We use slightly different serialization algorithms across tools but
local names cannot start with digits so writing the full URI is correct.

If you just export "Turtle" from EDG or save to Turtle from TBC you'll
get test_uuid:675d0ae5-d8eb-49b7-867f-80ba8c0b09e9 while Sorted Turtle
will produce

which is more correct AFAIK. Both can be parsed though, so it shouldn't
matter too much.

Holger

On 2021-06-01 10:14 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users
wrote:

Dear tq

I have asked earlier but I could not refind….

I have:

https://w3id.org/cbnl/skos/term#048B3010-0BD1-4A89-9F49-FE6D825DA799

rdf:type skos:Concept ;

dct:source "IMBOR2021beta"@NL-nl ;

skos:broader nen2660-term:InformationObject ;

skos:definition "Informatieobject voor het registreren en koppelen van
documenten aan objecttypes."@NL-nl
;

skos:prefLabel "Document"@NL-nl ;

So name is UUID code.

Despite prefixes are fine TBC does not use prefix in interface now.

Think I reported earlier.

(when I change uuid number into “Document” things render fine again)

Gr michel

Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
E michel.bo...@tno.nl

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[topbraid-users] render issue in case of uuid code as name

2021-06-01 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

Dear tq
I have asked earlier but I could not refind

I have:

https://w3id.org/cbnl/skos/term#048B3010-0BD1-4A89-9F49-FE6D825DA799
rdf:type skos:Concept ;
dct:source "IMBOR2021beta"@NL-nl ;
skos:broader nen2660-term:InformationObject ;
skos:definition "Informatieobject voor het registreren en koppelen van
documenten aan
objecttypes."@NL-nl
;
skos:prefLabel "Document"@NL-nl ;
.

So name is UUID code.

Despite prefixes are fine TBC does not use prefix in interface now.
Think I reported earlier.

(when I change uuid number into "Document" things render fine again)

Gr michel

Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
E michel.bo...@tno.nl

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