subject:"RE\: \[topbraid\-users\] union in sh"

Re: [topbraid-users] union in sh

2021-07-21 Thread David Price

If it’s adding OWL structures then you are using the Composer OWL editing forms 
- so stop doing that. Import SHACL and drag in the needed SHACL properties (or 
edit in text editor for even more control).

As I pasted below, owl:unionOf is similar to sh:or so remove the owl:Class 
stuff and try that.

Cheers,

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 12:02, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is good news.
> But tbc does it when I add ‘x or y’ in the form……
>  
> So how would:
>  
> nen2660:QuantityValue
>   rdf:type rdfs:Class ;
>   rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
>   rdfs:seeAlso nen2660-term:QuantityValue ;
>   rdfs:subClassOf nen2660:Objectification ;
>   skos:definition "The objectification of a value of a quantity (involving a 
> quantitykind and a unit) having a complex value like a simple value sec 
> combined with other metadata or just a combination of simple values"@en ;
>   skos:prefLabel "Quantity value"@en ;
>   sh:property [
>   sh:path rdf:value ;
>   sh:datatype [
>   rdf:type owl:Class ;
>   owl:unionOf (
>   xsd:double
>   xsd:decimal
> ) ;
> ] ;
> ] ;
> .
>  
> Look like in pure shacl?
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
> T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
> M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl <mailto:michel.bo...@tno.nl>
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> 
>  
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> Van: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com <mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> Namens David Price
> Verzonden: woensdag 21 juli 2021 12:24
> Aan: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com <mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>
> CC: Kronemeijer, Redmer  <mailto:redmer.kronemei...@crow.nl>>
> Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] union in sh
>  
> OWL logic cannot be used in SHACL.
>  
> We provide these resources to answer to this kind of question:
>  
> TopQuadrant.com <http://topquadrant.com/> SHACL learning page at 
> https://www.topquadrant.com/technology/shacl/ 
> <https://www.topquadrant.com/technology/shacl/>
>  
> SHACL and OWL Compared at https://spinrdf.org/shacl-and-owl.html 
> <https://spinrdf.org/shacl-and-owl.html>
>  
> where you find this:
>  
> Logical Constraints
> owl:complementOf
> sh:not
> owl:intersectionOf
> sh:and
> owl:unionOf
> sh:or
> owl:qualifiedMin/MaxCardinality 1
> sh:xone
> owl:disjointUnionOf
> sh:node/sh:or/sh:not
>  
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> On 21 Jul 2021, at 09:40, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
> mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I now have:
>  
> nen2660:QuantityValue
>   a owl:Class ;
>   rdfs:subClassOf [
>   a owl:Restriction ;
>   owl:allValuesFrom xsd:double ;
>   owl:onProperty rdf:value ;
> ] ;
> .
>  
>  
> People want tof lex this into a double or a decimal
> In owl its clear
> But in this shacl I get:
> nen2660:QuantityValue
>   rdf:type rdfs:Class ;
>   rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
>   rdfs:seeAlso nen2660-term:QuantityValue ;
>   rdfs:subClassOf nen2660:Objectification ;
>   skos:definition "The objectification of a value of a quantity (involving a 
> quantitykind and a unit) having a complex value like a simple value sec 
> combined with other metadata or just a combination of simple values"@en ;
>   skos:prefLabel "Quantity value"@en ;
>   sh:property [
>   sh:path rdf:value ;
>   sh:datatype [
>   rdf:type owl:Class ;
>   owl:unionOf (
>   xsd:double
>   xsd:decimal
> ) ;
> ] ;
> ] ;
> .
>  
> Ie a piece of owl is introduced…after:
> 
> Isn’t there a more shacl-native way to do this?
>  
> Thx michel
>  
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
> T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
> M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl <mailto:michel.bo...@tno.nl>
> Location <http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS>
> 
>  
>  <http://www.tno.nl/>
> T

RE: [topbraid-users] union in sh

2021-07-21 Thread 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users

That is good news.
But tbc does it when I add ‘x or y’ in the form……

So how would:

nen2660:QuantityValue
  rdf:type rdfs:Class ;
  rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
  rdfs:seeAlso nen2660-term:QuantityValue ;
  rdfs:subClassOf nen2660:Objectification ;
  skos:definition "The objectification of a value of a quantity (involving a 
quantitykind and a unit) having a complex value like a simple value sec 
combined with other metadata or just a combination of simple values"@en ;
  skos:prefLabel "Quantity value"@en ;
  sh:property [
  sh:path rdf:value ;
  sh:datatype [
  rdf:type owl:Class ;
  owl:unionOf (
  xsd:double
  xsd:decimal
) ;
] ;
] ;
.

Look like in pure shacl?



Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
E michel.bo...@tno.nl<mailto:michel.bo...@tno.nl>

Location<http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS>



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Van: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com  Namens 
David Price
Verzonden: woensdag 21 juli 2021 12:24
Aan: topbraid-users@googlegroups.com
CC: Kronemeijer, Redmer 
Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] union in sh

OWL logic cannot be used in SHACL.

We provide these resources to answer to this kind of question:

TopQuadrant.com<http://TopQuadrant.com> SHACL learning page at 
https://www.topquadrant.com/technology/shacl/

SHACL and OWL Compared at https://spinrdf.org/shacl-and-owl.html

where you find this:

Logical Constraints

owl:complementOf

sh:not

owl:intersectionOf

sh:and

owl:unionOf

sh:or

owl:qualifiedMin/MaxCardinality 1

sh:xone

owl:disjointUnionOf

sh:node/sh:or/sh:not


Cheers,
David


On 21 Jul 2021, at 09:40, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I now have:

nen2660:QuantityValue
  a owl:Class ;
  rdfs:subClassOf [
  a owl:Restriction ;
  owl:allValuesFrom xsd:double ;
  owl:onProperty rdf:value ;
] ;
.


People want tof lex this into a double or a decimal
In owl its clear
But in this shacl I get:
nen2660:QuantityValue
  rdf:type rdfs:Class ;
  rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
  rdfs:seeAlso nen2660-term:QuantityValue ;
  rdfs:subClassOf nen2660:Objectification ;
  skos:definition "The objectification of a value of a quantity (involving a 
quantitykind and a unit) having a complex value like a simple value sec 
combined with other metadata or just a combination of simple values"@en ;
  skos:prefLabel "Quantity value"@en ;
  sh:property [
  sh:path rdf:value ;
  sh:datatype [
  rdf:type owl:Class ;
  owl:unionOf (
  xsd:double
  xsd:decimal
) ;
] ;
] ;
.

Ie a piece of owl is introduced…after:

Isn’t there a more shacl-native way to do this?

Thx michel




Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
Scientist Specialist
Structural Reliability

T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
E michel.bo...@tno.nl<mailto:michel.bo...@tno.nl>

Location<http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS>



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Re: [topbraid-users] union in sh

2021-07-21 Thread David Price

OWL logic cannot be used in SHACL.

We provide these resources to answer to this kind of question:

TopQuadrant.com  SHACL learning page at 
https://www.topquadrant.com/technology/shacl/ 


SHACL and OWL Compared at https://spinrdf.org/shacl-and-owl.html 


where you find this:

Logical Constraints
owl:complementOfsh:not
owl:intersectionOf  sh:and
owl:unionOf sh:or
owl:qualifiedMin/MaxCardinality 1   sh:xone
owl:disjointUnionOf sh:node/sh:or/sh:not

Cheers,
David

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 09:40, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> I now have:
>  
> nen2660:QuantityValue
>   a owl:Class ;
>   rdfs:subClassOf [
>   a owl:Restriction ;
>   owl:allValuesFrom xsd:double ;
>   owl:onProperty rdf:value ;
> ] ;
> .
>  
>  
> People want tof lex this into a double or a decimal
> In owl its clear
> But in this shacl I get:
> nen2660:QuantityValue
>   rdf:type rdfs:Class ;
>   rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
>   rdfs:seeAlso nen2660-term:QuantityValue ;
>   rdfs:subClassOf nen2660:Objectification ;
>   skos:definition "The objectification of a value of a quantity (involving a 
> quantitykind and a unit) having a complex value like a simple value sec 
> combined with other metadata or just a combination of simple values"@en ;
>   skos:prefLabel "Quantity value"@en ;
>   sh:property [
>   sh:path rdf:value ;
>   sh:datatype [
>   rdf:type owl:Class ;
>   owl:unionOf (
>   xsd:double
>   xsd:decimal
> ) ;
> ] ;
> ] ;
> .
>  
> Ie a piece of owl is introduced…after:
> 
> Isn’t there a more shacl-native way to do this?
>  
> Thx michel
>  
>  
>  
> Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms
> Scientist Specialist
> Structural Reliability
> T +31 (0)88 866 31 07
> M +31 (0)63 038 12 20
> E michel.bo...@tno.nl 
> Location 
> 
>  
>  
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