Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by arthuredelstein):

 Replying to [comment:11 sigma4111]:
 > Also, the convenent Arabic fonts that can make display of site O.K are
 the following:
 >
 > - Arial (default fonts used by site itself = it's real font)

 On Windows, Arial is whitelisted because it is a system font available by
 default on all Windows versions. Furthermore, there is no additional
 bundled Arabic font on the Windows version of Tor Browser. That means Tor
 Browser will display Arabic text with Arial on Windows. I checked the
 website and confirmed that the Arial is being used to display the Arabic
 text.

 I then compared Firefox and Tor Browser on Windows and the rendering of
 the site looks identical to me on both browsers. Arial is used in both
 cases.

 Finally I looked at Linux: the Arabic text looks like it is rendered in a
 very similar font size to the size used on the site in Windows. So I'm not
 sure I understand what the concern is here.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by arthuredelstein):

 * cc: arthuredelstein (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Hi again. No need to add "Noto Kufi Arabic". It will make display too bad.
 It is a decorated fonts ...

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by dcf):

 * cc: dcf (added)


Comment:

 Replying to [comment:11 sigma4111]:
 > Hi. I tried so many Arabic fonts in previous hrs.
 >
 > Unfortuantly, I think that we can not fix this issue. The cause is the
 following: there are so many Arabic fonts (1000s) but unfortuantly most of
 them are decorated ! This mean that most of them are useless to our issue
 because they make it more un-approperiat. Also, the convenent Arabic fonts
 that can make display of site O.K are the following:
 >
 > - Arial (default fonts used by site itself = it's real font)
 >
 > - Time new roman
 >
 > - Arabic transparent
 >
 > - Simplified Arabic
 >
 > All of above 4 fonts are not free in terms that needed so as to be
 included in Tor !!

 I want to thank you for taking the time to test so many fonts.

 How about the fonts at https://ar.wikipedia.org/, are they they same (bad)
 as on your sample page? Or does it look okay? Wikipedia also seems to be
 using `font-family: sans-serif, Arial`.

 I wonder, is it a difference between Naskh and Kufi scripts? To me, the
 Kufi version looks more "sans-serif" (perhaps a better match for Arial).
  * [https://www.google.com/get/noto/#naskh-arab Noto Naskh Arabic]
[[Image(https://noto-website.storage.googleapis.com/samples/naskh-
 arab_ar-Arab_400_normal.svg,width=100%)]]
  * [https://www.google.com/get/noto/#kufi-arab Noto Kufi Arabic]
[[Image(https://noto-website.storage.googleapis.com/samples/kufi-
 arab_ar-Arab_400_normal.svg,width=100%)]]

 Tor Browser contains NotoNaskhArabic-Regular.ttf but not NotoKufiArabic-
 Regular.ttf. If it really makes pages look better, we could consider
 adding NotoKufiArabic-Regular.ttf.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by dcf):

 Replying to [comment:11 sigma4111]:
 > 2) thank you Tails OS team 4 times (not single time), because indeed Tor
 browser alone is useless in dealing with such e-library site that all it's
 books are posted as PDF files that are impossible to be downloaded over
 Tor network by using Tor browser outside Tails OS...

 The PDF download issue sounds like a known bug: #22471

 You can work around the bug by right-clicking and "Save As..." instead of
 using the download button.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Hi. I tried so many Arabic fonts in previous hrs.

 Unfortuantly, I think that we can not fix this issue. The cause is the
 following: there are so many Arabic fonts (1000s) but unfortuantly most of
 them are decorated ! This mean that most of them are useless to our issue
 because they make it more un-approperiat. Also, the convenent Arabic fonts
 that can make display of site O.K are the following:

 - Arial (default fonts used by site itself = it's real font)

 - Time new roman

 - Arabic transparent

 - Simplified Arabic

 All of above 4 fonts are not free in terms that needed so as to be
 included in Tor !!

 In this case no thing we can do !

 Hewever, furtuantly, it is just cosmatic issue 

 I would like, at end of this tickt, to say:

 1) thank you Tor browser team for introducing this project (Tor browser),

 2) thank you Tails OS team 4 times (not single time), because indeed Tor
 browser alone is useless in dealing with such e-library site that all it's
 books are posted as PDF files that are impossible to be downloaded over
 Tor network by using Tor browser outside Tails OS...

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Replying to [comment:9 dcf]:
 > Replying to [comment:8 sigma4111]:
 > Do you have access to a Linux computer where the fonts look good? If so,
 what fonts are they? Those are more likely to be fonts that we can use.
 >
 > Arial, Georgia, and Times New Roman are Microsoft fonts that we wouldn't
 be able to include.

 You mean that you cann not add default fonts of this site to Tor for being
 unlicened, & you can only allow fonts installed by default on Linux ? If
 yes, this is bad news, because I tried Linux Arabic fonts on various
 distros. (Debian, CentOS, Linux Mint, openSUSE) & they are not good !

 In this case, it would be better if you give me a website offering free
 Arabic fonts that their licences allow you to include them in Tor. I will
 examine them on LibreOffice to see which of them nearest to "Arial" &
 "Time new romman" then will inform you ... Currently you supplied me in
 your 1st replay by link I got from it only 3 Arabic fonts, & best one was
 "Noto Naskh Arabic" ! Do you have other sites ?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by dcf):

 Replying to [comment:8 sigma4111]:
 > Why you do not perform this by yourself ?

 I don't read Arabic, I don't know what fonts look good or look bad. My
 computer has different fonts than yours, so even if I try the result will
 be different.

 I tried it in Tor Browser and the font was [[comment:2|Noto Naskh
 Arabic]], but you already said that one does not look good.

 > Any how, I did this using regular Firefox with default setting (not set
 on "Arial" by default, & allow sites to select it's owen fonts. Take
 result: "Arial" (or "Arial Bold" or "Arial italic") are the fonts for all
 contents that I tested. Only one exception is head of site which is both
 "George bold" + "Time new Roman bold".

 Do you have access to a Linux computer where the fonts look good? If so,
 what fonts are they? Those are more likely to be fonts that we can use.

 Arial, Georgia, and Times New Roman are Microsoft fonts that we wouldn't
 be able to include.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Why you do not perform this by yourself ?

 Any how, I did this using regular Firefox with default setting (not set on
 "Arial" by default, & allow sites to select it's owen fonts. Take result:
 "Arial" (or "Arial Bold" or "Arial italic") are the fonts for all contents
 that I tested. Only one exception is head of site which is both "George
 bold" + "Time new Roman bold".

 In this case how can I help further ? If "Arial" not free to be used in
 Tor browser, what we can do ?

 By the way, what about "Time new Roman" ? Is it also not free ?

 Please notice that regarding head of site, English part of title appear
 correct in Tor while Arabic part of title not appearing correctly -
 regarding font type.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by dcf):

 Replying to [comment:4 sigma4111]:
 > I can supply you by files for Arabic fonts (like Arial), if you like ...
 >
 > Currently, display of this site is really uggly.

 We wouldn't be able to use Arial exactly, because it is not available
 under a free license. For the same reason, Arial will never be a part of
 Tails or Debian.

 You can see what fonts are being used this way:
  1. Right-click on the text.
  2. Choose "Inspect Element" from the menu that appears.
  3. A new panel will open on the browser and there will be a tab labeled
 "Fonts". (For me it is on the right side.)
 We might be able to make some progress if you can do that on a browser
 where the text looks good, and tell us what font is being used.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Hi again.

 1) I'm not the owner of this site. I'm just visitor & downloader from it.

 2) The issue is related to Tor browser itself. You may had idea that it is
 not related to Tor itself may be due to screenshot which show that I view
 it by Tails, isn't it the case ? No, I contact Tails 1st & they inform me
 that it is not related to Tails but to Tor itself & recommend me to
 contact you & open a bug about it.

 3) I invistigated issue: it is existing on Tor browser on Debian, Tails,
 CentOS, openSUSE, Ubuntu, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10. So, it is
 not related to OS. It is specific to Tails.

 4) During my contact with Tails support, I contact owners of this site on
 their e-mail that posted on their page. I asked them specifically about
 default fonts used by them & their replay was: [most contents of this
 site in "Arial" & fiew "Time new Romman"... Google sites editor has option
 to select default fonts for contents ... we using "Arial" as default fonts
 ...]

 ---

 Now you like me to supply you by fonts files ?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:4 sigma4111]:
 > I not sure how you like me to help ? I understood - please correct to me
 - Tor not allowed to use system fonts so as to protect from fingerprint.
 This mean - please correct to me - it "Arial" is used from within Tor (by
 being one of Tor owen built-in set of fonts) then no risk, but if used
 from outside Tor (from system fonts) it will be risky. For that, we need
 to add "Arial" to Tor owen built-in set of fonts to be one of them by
 default ? Is this what you plan to do, or something else ?
 >
 > I can supply you by files for Arabic fonts (like Arial), if you like ...

 The right way to do this is to provide your own fonts on that website (if
 you're the website owner) that get loaded.

 In any case, this does not look like an issue with the Tor Browser.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
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Comment (by sigma4111):

 Hi. Thank you for your kind replay & attantion !

 I do not know name of font currently used by Tor to display contents of
 this site. I attached screenshot. See it to verify it's type.

 I not sure how you like me to help ? I understood - please correct to me -
 Tor not allowed to use system fonts so as to protect from fingerprint.
 This mean - please correct to me - it "Arial" is used from within Tor (by
 being one of Tor owen built-in set of fonts) then no risk, but if used
 from outside Tor (from system fonts) it will be risky. For that, we need
 to add "Arial" to Tor owen built-in set of fonts to be one of them by
 default ? Is this what you plan to do, or something else ?

 I can supply you by files for Arabic fonts (like Arial), if you like ...

 Currently, display of this site is really uggly.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  #18097| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * status:  new => needs_information
 * parent:   => #18097


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Re: [tor-bugs] #22952 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue ! (was: Web Site Arabic Fonts Issue !)

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#22952: Tor Browser Arabic Fonts Issue !
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 Reporter:  sigma4111 |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-fingerprinting-fonts  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
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Changes (by dcf):

 * keywords:   => tbb-fingerprinting-fonts
 * owner:   => tbb-team
 * version:  Tor: unspecified =>
 * component:  Webpages/Website => Applications/Tor Browser


Comment:

 Tor Browser uses a built-in set of font files in order to prevent font
 fingerprinting. If Tor Browser allowed a site to use Arial, then a web
 server could fingerprint you by detecting whether you have the Arial font
 installed or not.

 But, if the fonts look really bad, it's possible we can work together to
 include a font file that looks better.

 For me, the font on that page is [https://www.google.com/get/noto/#naskh-
 arab Noto Naskh Arabic]. Is the the same for you?

 I recategorized your ticket from Webpages/Website to Applications/Tor
 Browser because the former is only about the torproject.org website.

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